52% of young people would vote to impeach Obama (1 Viewer)

[TradeNurkicNow]

10 years of earning out the window. Obama's lost generation.

Not to the fat cats. They've done pretty well for themselves.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not to the fat cats. They've done pretty well for themselves.

So the guy whines about disparity between rich and poor and he's made people poorer.

He's supposed to be really smart, right?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

So the guy whines about disparity between rich and poor and he's made people poorer.

He's supposed to be really smart, right?

I think you're confusing indifference with stupidity

 

[speeds]

Last time I drove through Portland there was a guy on an overpass with an IMPEACH OBAMA sign looking for honks. Didn't look like he was 18-29. Was it Shooter?

 

[Shooter]

There's an old saying about how you can't fool all of the people all of the time . . . Obama is living proof of that.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

There's an old saying about how you can't fool all of the people all of the time . . . Obama is living proof of that.

The American Public elected W and Obama twice each. You may not fool ALL of te people, but you can fool a lot of the people. Damn 'muricans.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think you're confusing indifference with stupidity

I don't think it's indifference. I think his policies have been destructive all the way around. The only people who've benefitted are those who can afford to be in the stock market, and the auto workers union that had GM given to it after the government stole it from the owners.

Oh yeah, the insurance companies, too. They have tens of millions of new customers at the point of a gun.

 

[donkiez]

The American Public elected W and Obama twice each. You may not fool ALL of te people, but you can fool a lot of the people. Damn 'muricans.

actually he was elected once, the first time it was given to him and arguably the second time also. Democracy is a joke no matter who is president, it should be renamed Corporocracy.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

actually he was elected once, the first time it was given to him and arguably the second time also. Democracy is a joke no matter who is president, it should be renamed Corporocracy.

I was waiting for someone to say this. Bush was technically elected, arguing about whether he received help is a whole other topic, and really, a waste of time, because it doesn't change my point.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

10 years of earning out the window. Obama's lost generation.

I believe this, to an extent. Some of this concept seems true, though I think it's over-hyped by the media (as is everything). Depending on the article/writer/source, I've read several current age ranges of the "lost generation", but it includes people generally somewhere in the range of 16-29. Seeing the various different opinions or facts stating what the "real" lost generation is makes the perception a bit confusing, especially when the figures start including those in their late-20's (I'm barely 31, my wife just turned 30, and we're both doing just fine, so it's a bit hard to see those in their late-20's as being part of this lost generation). Not saying it doesn't exist, I just think some of it is over-sensationalized, and some of it is the different attitude the younger generation has.

 

[Denny Crane]

I believe this, to an extent. Some of this concept seems true, though I think it's over-hyped by the media (as is everything). Depending on the article/writer/source, I've read several current age ranges of the "lost generation", but it includes people generally somewhere in the range of 16-29. Seeing the various different opinions or facts stating what the "real" lost generation is makes the perception a bit confusing, especially when the figures start including those in their late-20's (I'm barely 31, my wife just turned 30, and we're both doing just fine, so it's a bit hard to see those in their late-20's as being part of this lost generation). Not saying it doesn't exist, I just think some of it is over-sensationalized, and some of it is the different attitude the younger generation has.

 

[donkiez]

I was waiting for someone to say this. Bush was technically elected, arguing about whether he received help is a whole other topic, and really, a waste of time, because it doesn't change my point.

Ok, who should we have voted for instead? Kerry, McCain, Romney? None of those sound any better to me. No fooling.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

60% of young people think that "impeach" means that there are peaches involved.

repped

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Hey now!

LOL. I read the first post and the article, and hadn't even read the thread when I posted that.

Great minds think alike, no?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Ok, who should we have voted for instead? Kerry, McCain, Romney? None of those sound any better to me. No fooling.

Cool, but you're still arguing beyond something other than my point. In the words of one Mr. T, "Quit yo' jibber-jabber!"

 

[donkiez]

Cool, but you're still arguing beyond something other than my point. In the words of one Mr. T, "Quit yo' jibber-jabber!"

Your point was that Bush and Obama can fool a lot of people and get elected and reelected. I was just pointing out that our choice's were actually between two fools all 4 times and one of those times the peoples choice was not even honored. Thats all for the jibberjabber.

 

[Denny Crane]

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Your point was that Bush and Obama can fool a lot of people and get elected and reelected. I was just pointing out that our choice's were actually between two fools all 4 times and one of those times the peoples choice was not even honored. Thats all for the jibberjabber.

It was more that they got re-elected than anything. Fool me once.......

You did forget Gore. As goofy as that bastard is, I have little doubt he (or the people around him) would have been more competent that the W Admin.

 

[donkiez]

It was more that they got re-elected than anything. Fool me once.......

You did forget Gore. As goofy as that bastard is, I have little doubt he (or the people around him) would have been more competent that the W Admin.

ahhh yes my favorite quote for GW "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again"

I didn't forget Gore that time because he actually won so it wasn't really the voters getting fooled. Gore has proven to be a goof and I'm sure he would have been just as incompetent as Bush, but I do think we would have been incompetent in a different manner than Bush and one that didn't involve us invading Iraq. I often wonder how he would have handled 9/11 and the events afterwards, including everything that lead up to the financial collapse.

On a somewhat side note that I've never seen anyone discuss, doesn't it seem odd that just before the financial collapse GW passed a bankruptcy law making it more difficult and punitive to declare? Just seem like oddly coincidental timing to me.

On another side note for all you repubs calling for Obama's impeachment, why does no one care that no one was prosecuted for the housing market collapse? It seem obvious that there was plenty of illegal shit going on. Now thats some corruption that I can get behind.

 

[jlprk]

The Koch brothers fund this stuff. A similar poll late in Bush's term would have found 90% of young people wanting Bush impeached. Many adults wanted it too, but Pelosi wouldn't allow it, unlike a couple of classless Republican congressmen grandstanding now. It's funny to read Repubicans now critcizing Pelosi, who saved their asses.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

ahhh yes my favorite quote for GW "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again"

I didn't forget Gore that time because he actually won so it wasn't really the voters getting fooled. Gore has proven to be a goof and I'm sure he would have been just as incompetent as Bush, but I do think we would have been incompetent in a different manner than Bush and one that didn't involve us invading Iraq. I often wonder how he would have handled 9/11 and the events afterwards, including everything that lead up to the financial collapse.

On a somewhat side note that I've never seen anyone discuss, doesn't it seem odd that just before the financial collapse GW passed a bankruptcy law making it more difficult and punitive to declare? Just seem like oddly coincidental timing to me.

On another side note for all you repubs calling for Obama's impeachment, why does no one care that no one was prosecuted for the housing market collapse? It seem obvious that there was plenty of illegal shit going on. Now thats some corruption that I can get behind.

I like how it's "all you repubs calling for Obama's impeachment?'

How about the indies? Hell, how about the Dems? Very few of my friends that voted Obama are still willing to admit they voted for him. And even then, they admit it was a mistake. I don't get enough into politics because they all suck, but I'm just curious..... given some of the low approval ratings we saw last month for Obama, where do those lows rank against the other previous 8-10 presidents' lows?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

As mentioned in my post, I see different stats, age groups grouped differently, etc. depending on the article or source, so I'm really not going to be swayed by one graphic.

 

[Denny Crane]

As mentioned in my post, I see different stats, age groups grouped differently, etc. depending on the article or source, so I'm really not going to be swayed by one graphic.

The data keeps saying you're an outlier, not the norm. 52%. The unemployment figures.

And the articles about the polls talk about 25-and-under.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/12/04/obama-harvard-poll-millenials/3868629/

Harvard poll: 57% of Millennials disapprove of Obamacare

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/21/obama-approval-rating-sinks-to-new-low-in-cnn-poll/

The President's approval rating has now reached new lows or tied his all-time lows in polls released over the past three weeks from CNN/ORC, CBS News, ABC News/Washington Post, Quinnipiac University, National Journal Heartland Monitor, and NBC News/Wall Street Journal. And the CNN survey is the fourth non-partisan live operator national poll released this week to put Obama's approval rating between 40% and 42%. A CBS News survey released Wednesday showed the President's approval rating at 37%.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/millennials-abandon-obama-and-obamacare-20131204

The survey, part of a unique 13-year study of the attitudes of young adults, finds that America's rising generation is worried about its future, disillusioned with the U.S. political system, strongly opposed to the government's domestic surveillance apparatus, and drifting away from both major parties. "Young Americans hold the president, Congress and the federal government in less esteem almost by the day, and the level of engagement they are having in politics are also on the decline," reads the IOP's analysis of its poll. "Millennials are losing touch with government and its programs because they believe government is losing touch with them."

The results blow a gaping hole in the belief among many Democrats that Obama's two elections signaled a durable grip on the youth vote.

Indeed, millennials are not so hot on their president.

Obama's approval rating among young Americans is just 41 percent, down 11 points from a year ago, and now tracking with all adults. While 55 percent said they voted for Obama in 2012, only 46 percent said they would do so again.

When asked if they would want to recall various elected officials, 45 percent of millennials said they would oust their member of Congress; 52 percent replied "all members of Congress" should go; and 47 percent said they would recall Obama. The recall-Obama figure was even higher among the youngest millennials, ages 18 to 24, at 52 percent.

While there is no provision for a public recall of U.S. presidents, the poll question revealed just how far Obama has fallen in the eyes of young Americans.

IOP director Trey Grayson called the results a "sea change" attributable to the generation's outsized and unmet expectations for Obama, as well as their concerns about the economy, Obamacare and government surveillance.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Thank you (really).

I wasn't arguing or disputing the point. As I said, I somewhat agree with it. Just the amount of data, much of it differing somewhat, leaves things a lot murky, while the overall prevailing thought is clear.

Some of your links highlight what I also see as part of the problem: today's youth pointing the blame elsewhere and their sense of entitlement, rather than busting balls to make their way. While it has been more difficult for them to breakthrough do to economic reasons, I just sense they've confounded the problem.

 

[Denny Crane]

Thank you (really).

I wasn't arguing or disputing the point. As I said, I somewhat agree with it. Just the amount of data, much of it differing somewhat, leaves things a lot murky, while the overall prevailing thought is clear.

Some of your links highlight what I also see as part of the problem: today's youth pointing the blame elsewhere and their sense of entitlement, rather than busting balls to make their way. While it has been more difficult for them to breakthrough do to economic reasons, I just sense they've confounded the problem.

Is it possible that ObamaCare is responsible for some companies either cutting down the size of their workforce, or cutting hours to avoid the regulatory and financial burdens?

That's just one govt. policy that is a wet blanket on opportunities for these kids. It's the obvious one (of hundreds of thousands of pages of new punishing regulations), mentioned as highly unpopular in the polls.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Is it possible that ObamaCare is responsible for some companies either cutting down the size of their workforce, or cutting hours to avoid the regulatory and financial burdens?

That's just one govt. policy that is a wet blanket on opportunities for these kids. It's the obvious one (of hundreds of thousands of pages of new punishing regulations), mentioned as highly unpopular in the polls.

Without a doubt it's compounded the problem. But the "lost generation" talk came about long before Obama(DoesNOT)Care.

 

[Denny Crane]

I tried to search for "lost generation bush" and got no results.

For Obama? Millions of pages.

That would indicate nobody was talking of a "lost generation" before Obama.

 

[jlprk]

Or it would indicate that the Koch brothers weren't funding foundations to generate the articles.

 

[Denny Crane]

Or it would indicate that the Koch brothers weren't funding foundations to generate the articles.

Watch out or the bogeyman will get you!

 

[jlprk]

Next time you need money for your basketball board, Capt. Kirk, raise your face to the stars and scream like a maniac, "KOCHHH!!! KOCHHH!!!"