67 year old white man takes out a "thug"

[The Sebastian Express]

They're both equally guilty. Although the old guy went to the front he still shit talked the slightly less old guy from up there.

 

[DaRizzle]

They're both equally guilty. Although the old guy went to the front he still shit talked the slightly less old guy from up there.

yup....after the black dude went up there and then was walking away the white dude had to throw in one more verbal jab

 

[Mamba]

As unethical as it may be, the black dude still threw the first punch. They were both out of line, and sure the black dude may have been baited, but he was just as guilty and continued to pursue the argument and giving into the bait.

 

[Ed O]

yup....after the black dude went up there and then was walking away the white dude had to throw in one more verbal jab

It's funny because as he was saying that, the black guy said something about putting his foot up his ass... or something. Then he got all offended that the OTHER guy kept talking.

Ed O.

 

[DaRizzle]

It's funny because as he was saying that, the black guy said something about putting his foot up his ass... or something. Then he got all offended that the OTHER guy kept talking.

Ed O.

being rational in the moment and fighting dont go together

 

[Natebishop3]

Didn't look like a punch.... looked like a shove, which could still open up the door for self defense. I'm not sure.

 

[Ed O]

Didn't look like a punch.... looked like a shove, which could still open up the door for self defense. I'm not sure.

Criminal law varies by state, but self-defense often isn't needed to be proven when you win a fight. "Mutual combat" is a defense, and menacing can be considered a valid first move in a mutual combat.

I'm no expert, but it seems reasonable that the mutual combat defense COULD be applicable based on the guy getting his his face, threatening him, while the old guy was sitting down.

Ed O.

 

[blazerboy30]

As idiotic as both of these guys are, I actually think the camera-women are more scums-of-the-earth than the guys.

I can't comprehend these moronic women egging him on, taking video, laughing, hooting and hollering, taking the old-man's groceries, and basically thinking this was great entertainment and fun.

The women with the camera should be thrown in jail as well.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't know how much value I would put into the girl who taped the whole thing. Hard to tell who was yelling, but it sounded like the girl taping the incident was trying to do what she could to provoke a fight ("say it again" "beat his white ass").

But some food for thought,I wonder how people whoild feel if the roles were reversed: if an old white guy was mouthing off and then shoved a young (relatively speaking) black guy and then that black guy proceeded to beat up the old dude . . . would people be prasing the black dude or think the young black dude should go to jail?

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know how much value I would put into the girl who taped the whole thing. Hard to tell who was yelling, but it sounded like the girl taping the incident was trying to do what she could to provoke a fight ("say it again" "beat his white ass").

But some food for thought,I wonder how people whoild feel if the roles were reversed: if an old white guy was mouthing off and then shoved a young (relatively speaking) black guy and then that black guy proceeded to beat up the old dude . . . would people be prasing the black dude or think the young black dude should go to jail?

Well, I think the old white dude should go to jail...

The white guy provoked the fight, egged him on, and then beat his ass. Whether or not that falls under self defense, he should be punished.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

But some food for thought,I wonder how people whoild feel if the roles were reversed: if an old white guy was mouthing off and then shoved a young (relatively speaking) black guy and then that black guy proceeded to beat up the old dude . . . would people be prasing the black dude or think the young black dude should go to jail?

At first, that's what I thought was happening: the white guy antagonizing the black guy; I was like "oh jeez.. what's that jackass doing?" Things changed when the black guy kept going after the white guy. I kept thinking, "Dude, just leave the cranky old bastard alone!" When he hit the old guy, with the two idiot girls egging him on, all bets were off. Maybe my first blush reaction was the correct one, though...

...really, the girls were the worst of them all.

 

[The Professional Fan]

As idiotic as both of these guys are, I actually think the camera-women are more scums-of-the-earth than the guys.

I can't comprehend these moronic women egging him on, taking video, laughing, hooting and hollering, taking the old-man's groceries, and basically thinking this was great entertainment and fun.

The women with the camera should be thrown in jail as well.

That's exactly what I thought. The dudes are clearly a little "off" upstairs, but those bitches knew exactly what they were doing and their actions disgusted me way more than the verbal confrontation/fight between the guys. Sickening.

 

[The Professional Fan]

I don't know how much value I would put into the girl who taped the whole thing. Hard to tell who was yelling, but it sounded like the girl taping the incident was trying to do what she could to provoke a fight ("say it again" "beat his white ass").

But some food for thought,I wonder how people whoild feel if the roles were reversed: if an old white guy was mouthing off and then shoved a young (relatively speaking) black guy and then that black guy proceeded to beat up the old dude . . . would people be prasing the black dude or think the young black dude should go to jail?

Nah. Color aside, anyone beating up an old person isn't right. However, if the old dude was black and the "young" dude was white, and the black old dude beat up the young white dude, I wouldn't feel any different about the video.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What sad is the girl is now being interviewed like she is some kind of hero for getting this on tape. You can see her just see loving the fact that someone wants to talk to her about the incident she caught/created on tape.

I'm with others who think the girls provoking this whole thing are the worst ones involved.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Nah. Color aside, anyone beating up an old person isn't right. However, if the old dude was black and the "young" dude was white, and the black old dude beat up the young white dude, I wouldn't feel any different about the video.

Good distinction . . . I have the same feelings.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Sounds like the white guy provoked the whole thing then. He really should go to jail.

I thought they were equally at fault.

 

[CanadianBlazer]

Let me know the next time you come to LA...Ill pay for your bus fare to lovely Torrance. We can go to the park down the street, Ill beat the crap out of you but nothing permanent...then ill feel slightly bad and give you a can of beer to use as an icepack for your lumps and send you on your way

...fuck, ill even give you first swing...

Im sure as hell not wasting money on your ass by goin to Oregon...feel free to call me on this offer in the future...its an open invitation to a beat down. Id feel like I was doing Gods work...or Darwin's

Internet strong man. That is hilarious.

 

[Fogojam]

2:16 is the best, i think he said in a dazed voice

"you a bitch cuz, im gonna fuck you up"

 

[DaRizzle]

Internet strong man. That is hilarious.

isnt it

 

[bintim]

Nah. Color aside, anyone beating up an old person isn't right. However, if the old dude was black and the "young" dude was white, and the black old dude beat up the young white dude, I wouldn't feel any different about the video.

Being an "old person", I appreciate that. I saw two 65+ guys in a fight behind a bar one time. They had to stop to catch their breath every 10 seconds. They had their hands on their knees panting and calling each other names, then went back to it. Finally one guy tried a snap kick and fell down. The other guy was too tired to capitalize on it and the fight was over.

If I have to fight, I'd prefer it to be another "old" person, but not someone the size of that white dude.

 

[MARIS61]

in my experience, its better to not get knifed for no reason, but you go ahead and save the world from itself.

Remember that the next time your life is in danger.

Karma is infinite and absolute.

 

[Eastoff]

Let me know the next time you come to LA...Ill pay for your bus fare to lovely Torrance. We can go to the park down the street, Ill beat the crap out of you but nothing permanent...then ill feel slightly bad and give you a can of beer to use as an icepack for your lumps and send you on your way

...fuck, ill even give you first swing...

Im sure as hell not wasting money on your ass by goin to Oregon...feel free to call me on this offer in the future...its an open invitation to a beat down. Id feel like I was doing Gods work...or Darwin's

OT:
My dad grew up in Torrance. He used to play football at "triangle park." And went to Torrance high school. Is it still primarily hispanic neighborhood?

 

[DaRizzle]

OT:
My dad grew up in Torrance. He used to play football at "triangle park." And went to Torrance high school. Is it still primarily hispanic neighborhood?

As of the census[12] of 2000, there were 137,946 people, 54,542 households, and 36,270 families residing in the city. The population density was 2,593.1/km² (6,715.7/mi²). There were 55,967 housing units at an average density of 1,052.0/km² (2,724.7/mi²). The racial makeup of the city was 59.16% White, 28.61% Asian, 4.72% from two or more races, 4.57% from other races, 2.19% Black or African American, 0.41% Native American and 0.35% Pacific Islander. 12.79% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torrance,_California


im in west Torrance which is the nicer part of Torrance...tucked between Palos Verdes and Redondo Beach

 

[MARIS61]

As idiotic as both of these guys are, I actually think the camera-women are more scums-of-the-earth than the guys.

I can't comprehend these moronic women egging him on, taking video, laughing, hooting and hollering, taking the old-man's groceries, and basically thinking this was great entertainment and fun.

The women with the camera should be thrown in jail as well.

I agree, but by the slant of this thread I guess that makes you and I both racists and sexists.

Apparently you can't call a bad person a bad person unless they are lily-white and male.

I have no idea what BD500 said and got banned for as it has been deleted, but I found nothing inherently racist in his remaining comments. That's one of the countless problems with censorship. History is erased and no lessons are learned. I can only go on what posts of his still remain.

From his previous threads/outbursts it seems his anger is directed at people he considers bad, with no regard to race. Given his recent experiences I find the anger understandable. I'd worry about him if he had no anger.

If some racial insults materialized in his comments, they were probably not meant as racist. Some words are just ingrained in our language. When you are angry at someone, you blurt out the first hurtful thing that comes to mind. You don't take the time to check your PC Dictionary. Even if you did, there is simply nothing bad a caucasian can say to insult a person of another skin color without being called racist by somebody. It's become an assumption that you are addressing the entire race, not just the dickhead who happens to be a non-caucasian.

If you were mad at an overweight guy you'd call him fatty, or big tub of goo, without a thought. If it was a woman, you might call her a bitch, or the "C" word.

I say bring back BenDavis500!

His avatar indicates he has deep respect for this guy, after all:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_davis/bio.html

 

[MARIS61]

Most martial arts instructors teach self defense in these terms.

AS SOON AS YOU SENSE YOU ARE BEING THREATENED...

1. If you can, walk away. Or better yet, run away.

2. If you can't run away, use whatever means necessary to IMMEDIATELY AND PERMANENTLY remove the threat.

3. If you wait until you are actually attacked, your chances for survival decrease GREATLY.

 

[jlprk]

Thoughts:

Posters say the white guy moves to the front of the bus to avoid a physical confrontation while continuing the talk. But maybe his motive was offensive, not defensive. Maybe he moved next to the bus driver, the seat of power, so he could continue his loud diatribe in safety, and even convert the driver to become his ally.

A couple of posters in this thread took the racist road. But when BenDavies got into trouble, they changed sides and attacked him. Kind of like the photographer. She says in the Post #91 interview that she went out with her camera looking for something to film. Like a good Director, she staged an event. But in her interview, she changes allegiance to the side in power and goes easy on the white guy.

I don't know why posters keep calling the white guy the old guy. If he hadn't kept yelling his age (which apparently is his method to win arguments), I'd have thought he was about 57. He's awfully energetic for 67, especially with his mouth. Speaking of his mouth, did he bite the black guy or did he knife him? How do you get that much blood without a knife? I wouldn't be surprised if both men have been arrested, though I'm against an arrest.

The legal system destroys many lives every day for such fights, ignoring which party verbally provoked the conversion of verbal activity into physical action. The human ethical system, evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, is often in conflict with the legal system, which claims to be more moral than all of us. The legal system feels that in almost all human conflicts, someone is totally right, someone is totally wrong, and someone should have his life ruined by several years in prison.

 

[Rodolfo]

I agree, but by the slant of this thread I guess that makes you and I both racists and sexists.

Apparently you can't call a bad person a bad person unless they are lily-white and male.

I have no idea what BD500 said and got banned for as it has been deleted, but I found nothing inherently racist in his remaining comments. That's one of the countless problems with censorship. History is erased and no lessons are learned. I can only go on what posts of his still remain.

From his previous threads/outbursts it seems his anger is directed at people he considers bad, with no regard to race. Given his recent experiences I find the anger understandable. I'd worry about him if he had no anger.

If some racial insults materialized in his comments, they were probably not meant as racist. Some words are just ingrained in our language. When you are angry at someone, you blurt out the first hurtful thing that comes to mind. You don't take the time to check your PC Dictionary. Even if you did, there is simply nothing bad a caucasian can say to insult a person of another skin color without being called racist by somebody. It's become an assumption that you are addressing the entire race, not just the dickhead who happens to be a non-caucasian.

If you were mad at an overweight guy you'd call him fatty, or big tub of goo, without a thought. If it was a woman, you might call her a bitch, or the "C" word.

I say bring back BenDavis500!

His avatar indicates he has deep respect for this guy, after all:

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/ben_davis/bio.html

He dropped the N word 6 times in one post. He did it again in another thread I think, too. I just hope this isn't a week long ban. We don't need his kind around here.

 

[Eastoff]

He dropped the N word 6 times in one post. He did it again in another thread I think, too. I just hope this isn't a week long ban. We don't need his kind around here.

whoa, whoa what do you mean, HIS KIND?!

 

[BlazerBenner]

I don't understand why people are bringing up race so much in this thread either.



I don't understand that mentality. Don't you feel disgusted when you see someone getting their ass kicked without being able to fight back? I would of immediately jumped up and pulled those guys from each other. I might of been able to keep that guy's teeth if I were there. I'm not saying this as though I'm a badass, I just don't think I could idly sit there and watch.



I don't see the white guy being a closet racist at all. Obviously words were exchanged before the recording started but I don't see anything remotely racist coming from the white man.

He walks up to the front of the bus to avoid a physical confrontation while continuing the verbal backtalk which is completely harmless. The black guy can't keep his head cool and invades the white guy's personal space. Black guy takes a swing/slap/flick/grab and the white guy defends himself by beating the shit out of him.

I don' think the white guy did anything wrong (I'm referring to them as white and black because it's the easiest thing to point them out as! )



I hate 4chan. Bunch of douchebags with no life, in my opinion.



Hello.

I've stopped numerous fights in my life. I don't understand the mentality of people who "don't want to get involved because they might get hurt". I pity them and I think it's what's wrong with our society now days.

 

[BlazerBenner]

Didn't look like a punch.... looked like a shove, which could still open up the door for self defense. I'm not sure.

A shove is "Assault" in every criminal form.