7.1 million

[MarAzul]

Well if the Republicans can come up with a better plan that covers more people and lowers costs (which some of them like Steele claim they can) then I would be happy to support that plan. But so far what I saw was, Hillary and then Obama along with most Democrats trying to get something accomplished towards ending the plight of the uninsured in America while the Republicans fought tooth and nail against any such legislation. Now, that something has been accomplished and the American people are warming to the idea, the Republicans are trying to re-frame the situation as they just want a different universal plan. Well, if they start fighting for actually improving the ACA, then I'll support them.

You are amazing! You will stand there, waiting like a good boy for your turn to be fucked and then say, thank you. Well perhaps you are one that is on the receiving end of the stuff being given away and have little prospects for a better life.

Most people are losing what they had and are being force to purchase insurance covering stuff they don't need covered at inflated premiums. higher co pays and deductibles. This so the government can give people of low means and high risks subsidies for insurance .

This amounts to a giant tax on the average American that was doing just fine before this disruption.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I have no idea why they dispute the reports of people losing their coverage. In the case of the retired people, They put a tax on employers for each person covered. I sure as hell don't expect they believe they were going to produce revenue with this tax. So you know the purpose was to move all those people to the market with the uninsured. The same will be the case this coming year with the self insured employers with current workers. They are being taxed also. For what purpose? Terminate that system!!!

Then we have the man reason for the big hub bubb about OBama's lie, "If you like your health care, you can keep your health care!" Those policies were cancelled because they may not have covered Aids, Pregnancy and a host of conditions not previously covered. They had to get all those people off those plans and force them to buy the new plans that covers all that shit most people do not want to pay for.

It is down right criminally unjust to make 50 year old men and woman buy insurance that covers pregnancy or Aids for Crap sake. Most people do not need to insure those things because they know how to avoid the risk which isn't usually much of a risk at all for people over
40.

I'm sure 20 yrs old think it is criminally unjust to make them pay for coverage for arthritis or joint replacement surgery. I'm guessing it's the 50-70 yr old that are pilling up the medical bills not the 20-30 yr old.

The bigger grip is everyone who has to help pay insurance for all those 60's+ people who didn't save enough to even pay for medical insurance during their retirement years. To me that is the real problem, but no matter whose fault, everyone should have medical insurance.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm sure 20 yrs old think it is criminally unjust to make them pay for coverage for arthritis or joint replacement surgery. I'm guessing it's the 50-70 yr old that are pilling up the medical bills not the 20-30 yr old.

The bigger grip is everyone who has to help pay insurance for all those 60's+ people who didn't save enough to even pay for medical insurance during their retirement years. To me that is the real problem, but no matter whose fault, everyone should have medical insurance.

A pretty uninformed take there TOB, I don't think the mass uninsured includes many at all of plus 60 population.

But hey I love it when one of you tax the rich fuckers come out with that dip shit observation about the old dudes that didn't save!!! Look at them friend, you will see a generation of people that knows what it's like to pay high taxes. The like of which you all want to see happen again.

Think on it, paying 60 - to 70 percent federal tax with no way to escape the tax, no IRAs, no 401Ks, no Roth IRA, just pay. Now you say they didn't save??? I will just say that is uniformed but that sure is being kind. And yeah, I think it unjust to make 20 year olds buy insurance. When they get an employer provide plan is soon enough.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

A pretty uninformed take there TOB, I don't think the mass uninsured includes many at all of plus 60 population.

But hey I love it when one of you tax the rich fuckers come out with that dip shit observation about the old dudes that didn't save!!! Look at them friend, you will see a generation of people that knows what it's like to pay high taxes. The like of which you all want to see happen again.

Think on it, paying 60 - to 70 percent federal tax with no way to exscape the tax, no IRAs, no 401Ks, no Roth IRA, just pay. Now you say they didn't save??? I will just say that is uniformed but that sure is being kind. And yeah, I think it unjust to make 20 year olds buy insurance. When they get an employer provide plan is soon enough.

Thank you MA.

But hey I love it when grouchy old people complain about taxes. They leverage their house and pile on the credit card debt thinking land prices will always go up. They leave their stable job and pursue their hobby and blame the gov't when they can't make a profit on their hobby. Then when they realize the world has passed them by and their meager savings isn't nearly enough, they blame everyone but themselves.

Think on it, we went from a country of Building the American Dream to Borrowing the American Dream . . . and it's all Obama's fault.

 

[MarAzul]

Thank you MA.

But hey I love it when grouchy old people complain about taxes. They leverage their house and pile on the credit card debt thinking land prices will always go up. They leave their stable job and pursue their hobby and blame the gov't when they can't make a profit on their hobby. Then when they realize the world has passed them by and their meager savings isn't nearly enough, they blame everyone but themselves.

Think on it, we went from a country of Building the American Dream to Borrowing the American Dream . . . and it's all Obama's fault.

Naw, it's not all Obama's fault. It is the fault of dumb shits that voted for Obama and that Democrat congress. I am not sure that is recoverable.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Naw, it's not all Obama's fault. It is the fault of dumb shits that voted for Obama and that Democrat congress. I am not sure that is recoverable.

Well it's definitely somebody's fault . . . and not the dumb shits who didn't save enough for health insurance.

 

[PapaG]

Isn't having 10 million people or 7 million people with insurance now who didn't have it before a good thing? I believe it is.

6 million who signed up had their policies cancelled. The RAND study, commissioned by the government, showed that only 865,000 of those who signed up are "new" to insurance. I wonder how much that number differs from a normal insurance cycle?

 

[PapaG]

My thoughts on the subject.

The goal that was near universally mocked as impossible, of signing up 7 million people on Obamacare in the first enrollment period, was actually achieved. And if you include the ones that did it through their states, an increase of over 10 million Americans have healthcare today than had it before the Obamacare law passed.

There were major issues with the website originally, and there still are some tweaks witch will need to be addressed for the long term health of this law, but all in all, this was a major victory by Obama and the Democrats. Even the polls are starting to show that the American public is coming around on Obamacare and not buying into the negative narrative which was rampant only weeks ago. One recent ABC poll (likely an outlier, more polls need to verify first) even shows the American people nearly equally split on Obamacare.

I don't know if there will be enough movement by the public to negate the projected losses in the midterm elections, but it certainly is a possible boon to the Democrat chances. Especially when you look at the improvements in the economy and the massive public support on Democratic economic issues like min-wage and other income disparity measures. Right now all polling shows the Democrats likely get killed in the midterms, but still a long time to go till November and narrative and hopefully momentum swings to the left.

One thing seems to be almost certain, the path of just repealing Obamacare seems highly unlikely now, if the Republicans are able to get a major victory on the subject, it will almost certainly be a repeal and replace, which is basically just a repeal in name only. Many Americans are still very unhappy with Obamacare but the solid majority now believes that there should be some type of universal healthcare. That, is a giant step forward regardless of the longterm prosperity of the actual ACA.

How cute. You still believe what your government tells you to believe. Magically, after months of not knowing the number in hearings, they hit their number!

 

[PapaG]

Notice Obama didn't say that all 7 million were previously uninsured.

Lackeys will believe everything they're told...

 

[riverman]

It's when a virus like SARS occurs that you'll see why the poorest americans and people who work in public will need this health care coverage. I worked in Taiwan the year the SARS epidemic happened and it was a wake up call to what can happen when basic health care needs are not met. Taiwan has a great national health care system based on a sales tax that supports the entire thing. That and the fact that folks don't sue hospitals often and there's no tort reform needed presently like there is here. When everyone in the country has to have their temperature taken to go to work or shop and wear a mask in any public place..you'll see how important Obamacare can be...it's at least a start. The air we share doesn't have an income segregating barrier

 

[PapaG]

It's when a virus like SARS occurs that you'll see why the poorest americans and people who work in public will need this health care coverage. I worked in Taiwan the year the SARS epidemic happened and it was a wake up call to what can happen when basic health care needs are not met. Taiwan has a great national health care system based on a sales tax that supports the entire thing. That and the fact that folks don't sue hospitals often and there's no tort reform needed presently like there is here. When everyone in the country has to have their temperature taken to go to work or shop and wear a mask in any public place..you'll see how important Obamacare can be...it's at least a start. The air we share doesn't have an income segregating barrier

Of course, the SARS outbreak happened in a country with socialized medicine ... chicken or the egg?

Also, tort reform wasn't even touched in ObamaCare, because the trial lawyers/ABA are heavy donors to Democrats. Can't kill that income stream, which is one of the GOP's plans to lower costs.

 

[riverman]

Actually SARS was distributed through an airline crew from Singapore to Hong Kong to Taiwan then to Canada. In the end, hand washing,masks and bleach killed it off in Taiwan.

 

[Denny Crane]

7M?

Buy insurance company stocks!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Notice Obama didn't say that all 7 million were previously uninsured.

Lackeys will believe everything they're told...

If Obama didn't say that all 7 million were previously uninsured, then apparently lackeys will believe everything they are not told.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

How cute. You still believe what your government tells you to believe. Magically, after months of not knowing the number in hearings, they hit their number!

don't you know..the white house and the press only have until November to spin this disaster into a victory, and look, it is working!

 

[PapaG]

Actually SARS was distributed through an airline crew from Singapore to Hong Kong to Taiwan then to Canada. In the end, hand washing,masks and bleach killed it off in Taiwan.

All countries with socialized medicine.

I'm shocked!

 

[PapaG]

If Obama didn't say that all 7 million were previously uninsured, then apparently lackeys will believe everything they are not told.

Critical thinking skills are on the decline. Nobody riding Obama's jock in this thread even brought up the 865k number that is "newly" insured; instead, Obama is gloating because 6 million people who couldn't keep their plan, as he promised, had to sign up for new plans via state exchanges.

I don't want to assume that many posters here are literally idiots, but man, it's hard at times. Basic math gives a more accurate answer. This is where I say the major media won't do the basic math, and will instead let the Clown in Chief celebrate signing up 865k people for some sort of plan, when the marketplace typically in a 6 month period yields nearly the same result.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Critical thinking skills are on the decline. Nobody riding Obama's jock in this thread even brought up the 865k number that is "newly" insured; instead, Obama is gloating because 6 million people who couldn't keep their plan, as he promised, had to sign up for new plans via state exchanges.

I don't want to assume that many posters here are literally idiots, but man, it's hard at times. Basic math gives a more accurate answer. This is where I say the major media won't do the basic math, and will instead let the Clown in Chief celebrate signing up 865k people for some sort of plan, when the marketplace typically in a 6 month period yields nearly the same result.

meh..it is easier to regurgitate party line. No one wants interject reality into the conversation

 

[PapaG]

meh..it is easier to regurgitate party line. No one wants interject reality into the conversation

It's scary how some of these people believe anything Obama says, even when he's literally been proven to be a blatant liar about his own law.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Critical thinking skills are on the decline. Nobody riding Obama's jock in this thread even brought up the 865k number that is "newly" insured; instead, Obama is gloating because 6 million people who couldn't keep their plan, as he promised, had to sign up for new plans via state exchanges.

I don't want to assume that many posters here are literally idiots, but man, it's hard at times. Basic math gives a more accurate answer. This is where I say the major media won't do the basic math, and will instead let the Clown in Chief celebrate signing up 865k people for some sort of plan, when the marketplace typically in a 6 month period yields nearly the same result.

You got to admit is was a funny post. . . . you first said Obama didn't say something and then say lackey's will believe anything someone says.

As far as the "real numbers" I have 3 different sites that give three different set of "real numbers." I think each party has their own numbers guy that creatively comes up with numbers. But I agree that clearly there are not 7.1 million people who were uninsured but are now insured. I also think the jury is still out on how this whole Obamacare is going to play out.

 

[riverman]

The thing about basic math is sometimes you end up with a hanging chad result. My financial office messes up my paycheck and benefit package all the time, happens to be a die hard republican with 5 decades of accounting experience. That's no excuse. Whatever your political leanings are I'll say that my job of 12 years kept me a couple hours under the requirement to provide my wife and son coverage but I was fully covered with dental and health. Both my wife and son now have basic coverage through Obamacare and it was a painless process to apply and recieve it. I'm grateful they can get a tooth fixed now instead of just extracted and get a checkup if needed. Add that to your math list as a +1 for Obamacare

 

[MarAzul]

The thing about basic math is sometimes you end up with a hanging chad result. My financial office messes up my paycheck and benefit package all the time, happens to be a die hard republican with 5 decades of accounting experience. That's no excuse. Whatever your political leanings are I'll say that my job of 12 years kept me a couple hours under the requirement to provide my wife and son coverage but I was fully covered with dental and health. Both my wife and son now have basic coverage through Obamacare and it was a painless process to apply and recieve it. I'm grateful they can get a tooth fixed now instead of just extracted and get a checkup if needed. Add that to your math list as a +1 for Obamacare

Ah! a Happy benefit recipient. Well gee that helps the screwed feel better. It makes you understand why war was invented.

 

[Further]

Another person who benefits is my ex-coworker. She has lupus and had to quit due to the disease. She has healthcare coverage through her husband, but her husbands company was being downsized in the US, and she feared what would happen if he is let go. Because there is no insurance company that would cover her if her husband were laid off. I don't know if she has switched over yet or not since her husband hasn't lost his job, but she told me it was a huge stress relief (stress is extremely bad to lupus patients) knowing that whatever happens she will now be able to get coverage.

It's just one anecdotal example, and I know there are examples on the other side of people paying more. But I know that I'm happy with the direction.

 

[riverman]

Ah! a Happy benefit recipient. Well gee that helps the screwed feel better. It makes you understand why war was invented.

Sounds to me like money upsets you here as opposed to feeling protected that the neighborhood is healthy for your benefit. Being screwed by what? Other taxpayers? I'm a war vet, I don't need to know why it's invented

 

[MarAzul]

Sounds to me like money upsets you here as opposed to feeling protected that the neighborhood is healthy for your benefit. Being screwed by what? Other taxpayers? I'm a war vet, I don't need to know why it's invented

You like what Obama gives you. You fail to see that he takes away from someone else.
The net gain is stupid if there is a gain. Liberty has been lost as well as money by those
who are on the take a way side.

 

[riverman]

You like what Obama gives you. You fail to see that he takes away from someone else.
The net gain is stupid if there is a gain. Liberty has been lost as well as money by those
who are on the take a way side.

Well that's a lot of mud slinging if you ask me. I'm not being given anything. I work for a living and pay taxes. Our Obama care isn't free, we pay monthly but it's affordable. I'm a free man as well and my vision is fine. I didn't think we were on different sides in this country. Thanks for answering my question though.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

It's scary how some of these people believe anything Obama says, even when he's literally been proven to be a blatant liar about his own law.

the machine is up and running..the left have a desire to upset the GOP in the mid terms. The only way is to turn Obamacare into a positive. The multitudes swallow bullshit by the shovel loads and continue to smile.

 

[Further]

You like what Obama gives you. You fail to see that he takes away from someone else.
The net gain is stupid if there is a gain. Liberty has been lost as well as money by those
who are on the take a way side.

I don't have kids, but I pay for schools. As I should, since I am part of the society. I don't have Lupus, or AIDS or any other major ailment, but the potential is there, and an individual can't afford to pay for these, which is why they have insurance. You are insured for things in a group for the same reason, so that people arent left out. You talk frequently about living Christ-like, well part of that is making sure that everyone is taken care of health-wise. If we have a system that doesn't leave people with preexisting conditions on the outside looking in, than you, me, and everyone else is going to have to share the burden. I don't want to pay for oil subsidies or a new military weapon, I pay for corn subsidies even though I don't eat corn. But over all, these are supposed to be how to efficiently run a society. There are problems with that, but to nitpick out that you don't want to help subsidize the healthcare of an AIDS patient cause you aren't likely to get it is to hone into the minutia instead of realizing that it has to be that way unless we want all AIDS patients to be homeless and end up living off the govt tits anyway (which you would still end up paying for in the long run).

 

[3RA1N1AC]

wait...you dont eat corn???

 

[Further]

wait...you dont eat corn???

I don't. Used to and miss it, but not on my diet and I'm twenty pounds towards my goal of a hundred, so I don't think I'll be eating any for a while. But I listen to corn, have corns on my feet and am frequently accused of being corny. I eat a cornucopia of other foods, am in a room with four corners and I scorn others at the drop of a hat. But alas, not a nib passes my lips anymore.