Trade 7 Guards w/o Turner

[Blazer4ever]

I would think there is differently the possibility of a trade down the road.
Makes no since to have that many guards, and I know its a position-less league anymore but we are thin in the front court, thus a trade is imminent.

Turner is not a guard, he should be strictly a SF. One of the reasons he's been so inefficient is we were playing him as a 2nd ball handler when he can hardly dribble. But Stotts, go figure

 

[Blazer4ever]

Regarding having supposedly too many guards. Two of them are rookies and our 1st rounder is still very young. Curry and Stauskas are mediocre solutions as backups, ideally they'd not be getting many minutes. We lost Napier, we lost Patty, both played very well last year. I've been very hard on Stotts (he's incompetent) but used to be on the Olshey bandwagon. After this summer, I'm not sure I can explain his moves, honestly

 

[BonesJones]

Regarding having supposedly too many guards. Two of them are rookies and our 1st rounder is still very young. Curry and Stauskas are mediocre solutions as backups, ideally they'd not be getting many minutes. We lost Napier, we lost Patty, both played very well last year. I've been very hard on Stotts (he's incompetent) but used to be on the Olshey bandwagon. After this summer, I'm not sure I can explain his moves, honestly

Rid you really just lump Curry in with Stauskas? Curry is a big upgrade iver Pat and Bazz, he's definitely not mediocre. You underrated him big time. Probably because he's actually good.

 

[BonesJones]

Turner is not a guard, he should be strictly a SF. One of the reasons he's been so inefficient is we were playing him as a 2nd ball handler when he can hardly dribble. But Stotts, go figure

By that logic, Wes Matthews isn't a SG either. SGs don't have to be great ball handlers to be considered a Shooting Guard.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Rid you really just lump Curry in with Stauskas? Curry is a big upgrade iver Pat and Bazz, he's definitely not mediocre. You underrated him big time. Probably because he's actually good.

By that logic, Wes Matthews isn't a SG either. SGs don't have to be great ball handlers to be considered a Shooting Guard.

I hope you're right about Curry. I admit I haven't seen him play almost at all. And Wesley Mathewss isn't a very good SG and his biggest weakness is exactly being unskilled. Turner is unskilled for a 3, he shouldn't play the 2 and hopefully wouldn't this year

 

[hoopsjock]

Turner is not a guard, he should be strictly a SF. One of the reasons he's been so inefficient is we were playing him as a 2nd ball handler when he can hardly dribble. But Stotts, go figure

Turner averaged 5 assists per game in his two seasons with Boston. I'd rather him not be in the game at all but if he's gonna play I think going back to a distributing role is exactly what he should be doing.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Turner averaged 5 assists per game in his two seasons with Boston. I'd rather him not be in the game at all but if he's gonna play I think going back to a distributing role is exactly what he should be doing.

And how many assists Batum got? Turner was a SF in Boston, where his abilities are relatively efficient and in a position that plays to his strengthes

 

[Blazer4ever]

I think ideally, Aminu/Turner/Layman is our rotation at SF and none of them play any other position

 

[BonesJones]

I hope you're right about Curry. I admit I haven't seen him play almost at all. And Wesley Mathewss isn't a very good SG and his biggest weakness is exactly being unskilled. Turner is unskilled for a 3, he shouldn't play the 2 and hopefully wouldn't this year

Then why are you making assumtpions? Did you at least look at his stats..?

I'm not saying Turner should play the 2, I'm just saying your logic is flawed.

 

[Blazer4ever]

What we really need is another big. If we make it a priority to play Aminu only at the 3 we're left with Nurkic, Zach, Caleb and Meyers and Harkless who's also really a 3

 

[hoopsjock]

And how many assists Batum got? Turner was a SF in Boston, where his abilities are relatively efficient and in a position that plays to his strengthes

Actually Turner handled the ball a lot in Boston. The NBA doesn't really have set positions where a player has to do certain things anymore.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think ideally, Aminu/Turner/Layman is our rotation at SF and none of them play any other position

Unfortunately that’s not really how the NBA works anymore.
Look at the good teams last year and they’re all built similary. There are really only pure PG’s and Centers left every other player basically has to be able to fulfill multiple positions. Here’s a quick breakdown.

Boston last year. Kyrie / Rozier their starting pg’s, Horford at center. The rest of the starters all could play either the 2-3 or the 3-4 . Houston played Capela at C and cdirty3 at point the rest of the starters all capable of playing the 2-3 or 3-4. Cleveland kind of broke that mold a bit because LBJ kind of played everything for that team, but GS did the same Curry was their pg, McGee played center and the rest of them played whatever.

Here’s my point, unless you’re a PG or a center, you have to be able to at the very least defend multiple positions. Saying these are our SF's and that’s all they do doesn’t really make sense. On paper I like Aminu best at the 3 but depending on the match up he will need to play the 4.
I think this is actually where I do “understand” the people who complain about CJ’s height. He’s really limited to basically only SG’s on defense and he’s not really capable of switching very well, most 3 -4 types are just to big for him.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Unfortunately that’s not really how the NBA works anymore.
Look at the good teams last year and they’re all built similary. There are really only pure PG’s and Centers left every other player basically has to be able to fulfill multiple positions. Here’s a quick breakdown.

Boston last year. Kyrie / Rozier their starting pg’s, Horford at center. The rest of the starters all could play either the 2-3 or the 3-4 . Houston played Capela at C and cdirty3 at point the rest of the starters all capable of playing the 2-3 or 3-4. Cleveland kind of broke that mold a bit because LBJ kind of played everything for that team, but GS did the same Curry was their pg, McGee played center and the rest of them played whatever.

Here’s my point, unless you’re a PG or a center, you have to be able to at the very least defend multiple positions. Saying these are our SF's and that’s all they do doesn’t really make sense. On paper I like Aminu best at the 3 but depending on the match up he will need to play the 4.
I think this is actually where I do “understand” the people who complain about CJ’s height. He’s really limited to basically only SG’s on defense and he’s not really capable of switching very well, most 3 -4 types are just to big for him.

What is CJ? is CJ a PG? He can play PG but is he a PG? He's short but is he a PG? No, he's a SG. He can play PG, but he's a SG and the more you play him at SG, the better

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

What is CJ? is CJ a PG? He can play PG but is he a PG? He's short but is he a PG? No, he's a SG. He can play PG, but he's a SG and the more you play him at SG, the better

That’s the problem. He’s a 6’3 SG in a league where 2-4 are expected to be bigger than that and switch a lot. I’m not even trying to say they can’t win with him at the 2, I’m just saying I understand that part of arguement. It creates a challenge for them. They actually over came that last year for the most part.

I actually think CJ as full time PG on a team somewhere might be an interesting experiment. See if he can learn how to get his team mates involved. The post wasn’t really about CJ though (at least not the main point). It’s just there’s been a lot of homogenization of the 2-4 positions in basketball, guys may naturally be more inclined for a certain position but they will find themselves having to play multiple roles that go outside of what has been the traditional “2, 3, or 4”.

 

[Blazer4ever]

i would much rather see Dame get minutes at the 2 than CJ at the 1. That's why Napier was so important to us, because he could move Dame to the 2

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

i would much rather see Dame get minutes at the 2 than CJ at the 1. That's why Napier was so important to us, because he could move Dame to the 2

Sure... I Guess but really most of the time Dame is the one, what they need is 2nd guy that's bigger who allows him to play off the ball. I think that's why having a Nurk, or Zach expand on their abilities to set up players from the top of the key is vital to them getting better.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Sure... I Guess but really most of the time Dame is the one, what they need is 2nd guy that's bigger who allows him to play off the ball. I think that's why having a Nurk, or Zach expand on their abilities to set up players from the top of the key is vital to them getting better.

Or Turner, with his 5 assists from Boston.
I think the starting 5 is probably Dame, CJ, Turner, Aminu and Nurkic

 

[Blazer4ever]

Then the 2nd unit is Zach at Center and next to him you need inside offense then Caleb, and next to them Curry, Stauskas (until maybe one of the rookies replace him) and maybe Layman at the 3. But don't forget Wade Baldwin, if Dame plays alongside him we'd be very dangerous

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Or Turner, with his 5 assists from Boston.
I think the starting 5 is probably Dame, CJ, Turner, Aminu and Nurkic

No mo? Harkless seems like he’s going to have that locked down assuming he’s healthy and acts like he wants to play...

 

[Blazer4ever]

No mo? Harkless seems like he’s going to have that locked down assuming he’s healthy and acts like he wants to play...

Harkless shouldn't start. He should come off the bench at forward. I read here people say he was very inefficient as PF but I actually think that's his better position.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Harkless shouldn't start. He should come off the bench at forward. I read here people say he was very inefficient as PF but I actually think that's his better position.

The Harkless from the last couple months of last year to me should start. The Harkless from the first few months should be down with Meyers waving towels at girls in the 1st row...

 

[Blazer4ever]

The Harkless from the last couple months of last year to me should start. The Harkless from the first few months should be down with Meyers waving towels at girls in the 1st row...

Meyers is the x-factor, I still believe he can some day fullfill his potential, if it's this year, who knows

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Meyers is the x-factor, I still believe he can some day fullfill his potential, if it's this year, who knows

I respect your opinion here, but I’m kind of over the Meyers Leonard experiment. It’d be nice to get something for that contract whether it’s production on the court or used to get a pick, but I am resigned to thinking the Blazers may get neither.

 

[James lamphear]

Start of the season it will be Dame CJ harmless aminu Nurk.

 

[BonesJones]

Harkless shouldn't start. He should come off the bench at forward. I read here people say he was very inefficient as PF but I actually think that's his better position.

And why do you think thats his better position? He's undersized there, and he's better guarding the perimeter than interior.

 

[BonesJones]

i would much rather see Dame get minutes at the 2 than CJ at the 1. That's why Napier was so important to us, because he could move Dame to the 2

So it's nice having Dame off the ball? Curry can handle the ball and Dame can play off the ball with Curry, or vice versa...

 

[BonesJones]

What is CJ? is CJ a PG? He can play PG but is he a PG? He's short but is he a PG? No, he's a SG. He can play PG, but he's a SG and the more you play him at SG, the better

You obsess way too much over positions. He can play both. Curry and Dame can play both...

It's all about maximizing strengths and minimizing weaknesses. That's not done by saying "I'm gonna put you in this box"...

 

[H.C.]

What we really need is another big. If we make it a priority to play Aminu only at the 3 we're left with Nurkic, Zach, Caleb and Meyers and Harkless who's also really a 3

Harkless shouldn't start. He should come off the bench at forward. I read here people say he was very inefficient as PF but I actually think that's his better position.

I'm just going to leave this here and duck.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'm just going to leave this here and duck.

I just figured it out I think. You see his basketball knowledge is so superior to ours that his posts just seem stupid to us because we can't even comprehend the knowledge within them.

 

[Labinot41]

i would much rather see Dame get minutes at the 2 than CJ at the 1. That's why Napier was so important to us, because he could move Dame to the 2

Baldwin PG and Lillard SG would be a great backcourt Line-Up imo