76ers @ Blazers 12/28/09 Game Thread

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MIXUM said:
the good news is .... kpee sat front row to watch their bigs kill us. so now at least he knows we need help badly.
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Yeah, this is probably the 1st game he's seen us play in quite a while...
 
They shot 57%, we shot 42%.

Otherwise we were similar statistically.
 
WE ARENT WINNING THE DIVISION LOL!

Worry about sac, grizz, okc, and hornets losing. Thats who we are fighting with for playoffs.

1 will get in. 4 wont.
 
MIXUM said:
anytime a team shoots over 55% we are screwed.

teams that score 100 on most nights are a big big problem for us. we need solid defense every night
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You're exactly right. We struggle with teams like Philly, Golden State, Memphis, & New York - teams that can score but are know for being "bad" defensively. We do them a favor by taking jumpers and not moving the ball around. You have to admit - before tonight the ball movement has been pretty good in the last week against much better defensive teams. Up 10 in the 3rd quarter tonight, we clearly took our foot off the gas. Before you trash them for their effort tonight, try and remember what they did in the previous 7 games. If any team deserves a mulligan . . .
 
sheridan seems to think a trade will go down... but who?


Phil B (Pdx)

where do you see the blazers finishing this year? the past week has been inspired, but can they sustain it?
Chris Sheridan (3:06 PM)

Gotta see how they resolve their big man shortage. The Pryzbilla injury, in some ways, was just as devastating as Oden's. I don't know how many more 36 minute outings Juwan Howard has left in his tank, and we still need to see who will end up being the odd man out among Blake-Miller-Bayless by the time the trade deadline passes, which I guess is a long-winded way of saying I have no idea how they'll fare long-term this season because I expect them to make a few significant changes fairly soon.
 
And GS knocks off Boston!

Upset night in the NBA. Just one of those nights.
 
That was embarrassing. Without a shot blocker, this is going to be a long season.
 
MIXUM said:
sheridan seems to think a trade will go down... but who?


Phil B (Pdx)

where do you see the blazers finishing this year? the past week has been inspired, but can they sustain it?
Chris Sheridan (3:06 PM)

Gotta see how they resolve their big man shortage. The Pryzbilla injury, in some ways, was just as devastating as Oden's. I don't know how many more 36 minute outings Juwan Howard has left in his tank, and we still need to see who will end up being the odd man out among Blake-Miller-Bayless by the time the trade deadline passes, which I guess is a long-winded way of saying I have no idea how they'll fare long-term this season because I expect them to make a few significant changes fairly soon.
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I wonder what Sheridan is basing this off of - conventional wisdom? Just because it makes sense for Portland to make a few "significant" changes doesn't mean it will happen. I'll believe it when I see it.
 
Kaydow said:
I wonder what Sheridan is basing this off of - conventional wisdom? Just because it makes sense for Portland to make a few "significant" changes doesn't mean it will happen. I'll believe it when I see it.
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I think it's just conventional wisdom. But I have a feeling that KP will sit on his hands yet again.
 
craigehlo said:
I think it's just conventional wisdom. But I have a feeling that KP will sit on his hands yet again.
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Which is fine if the right deal isn't there. The last thing this team needs is a desperation trade to be a contender for this season only.

If things work out, cool. If not, they'll be back.
 
RoyToy said:
Which is fine if the right deal isn't there. The last thing this team needs is a desperation trade to be a contender for this season only.

If things work out, cool. If not, they'll be back.
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This. The Blazers are far more committed to this philosophy than Chris Sheridan probably realizes
 
RoyToy said:
Which is fine if the right deal isn't there.
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Who's the say what's the right deal? If you want a guarantee in sports trades then you will never make one.

KP won't make a dumb deal, but I have a feeling he won't make any significant deal outside the draft.
 
craigehlo said:
Who's the say what's the right deal? If you want a guarantee in sports trades then you will never make one.

KP won't make a dumb deal, but I have a feeling he won't make any significant deal outside the draft.
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The right deal would be a move the helps now and the in the future. Making a move that only helps this year would be a disaster imo.

The cake is still baking. :cheers:
 
RoyToy said:
The right deal would be a move the helps now and the in the future. Making a move that only helps this year would be a disaster imo.

The cake is still baking. :cheers:
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How do they even know what kind of cake is in the oven at this point? The blue print appeared to be a slow paced, efficient, & defense/rebounding oriented style anchored by a big shot blocking front court.

What is the identity of this team going forward if Oden can't stay healthy? If not, what type of guy (that we can sign/trade for/draft) do we shoot for? Assuming a franchise Center isn't in the cards, do we stick with this style? Or, do we go more small ball/uptempo?
 
RoyToy said:
The right deal would be a move the helps now and the in the future. Making a move that only helps this year would be a disaster imo.

The cake is still baking. :cheers:
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The only short-sighted move would be to blow the team up and trade away Roy, LMA and/or Oden, everybody else is secondary and ultimately superfluous. Most moves people are talking about consist of moving players that unlikely to be part of any longterm plans
 
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Nikolokolus said:
The only short-sighted move would be to blow the team up and trade away Roy, LMA and/or Oden, everybody else is secondary and ultimately superfluous. Most moves people are talking about consist of moving players that unlikely to be part of any longterm plans or are somewhat superfluous.
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You're assuming what KP is thinking here, and I'd bet he'd probably disagree with you.

There are really no big moves to be made, especially the ones people on this forum want. Some of the trades I've seen suggested on this forum are beyond ridiculous and those people should be banned.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The only short-sighted move would be to blow the team up and trade away Roy, LMA and/or Oden, everybody else is secondary and ultimately superfluous. Most moves people are talking about consist of moving players that unlikely to be part of any longterm plans or are somewhat superfluous.
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Superfluous twice in the same post? You don't see that everyday.
 
RoyToy said:
The right deal would be a move the helps now and the in the future. Making a move that only helps this year would be a disaster imo.

The cake is still baking. :cheers:
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So what was the Andre Miller signing all about? This year and next year? at best!


All I'm saying is that was NOT a good move.
 
Seemed like a lot of one-on-one last night, no team offense, or defense for that matter, I only saw Webster come off of one curl-pick-and shoot.

Our offense is so damn predictable that our defense hurts because of it. If it's not a one-on-one drive play (with an occasional kick out to the corner), it'll be a post play with an LMA turn around jump-shot.
 
blue32 said:
Seemed like a lot of one-on-one last night, no team offense, or defense for that matter, I only saw Webster come off of one curl-pick-and shoot.

Our offense is so damn predictable that our defense hurts because of it. If it's not a one-on-one drive play (with an occasional kick out to the corner), it'll be a post play with an LMA turn around jump-shot.
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That offense won 54 games last year and was efficient and all that other bullshit
 
Mediocre Man said:
That offense won 54 games last year and was efficient and all that other bullshit
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I know, I've heard the same ol' song and dance. It's just that I am not a damn basketball aficionado, and I can now tell what the hell is going on, almost every play! :dunno:

To me it look's as if the defense can just 'lie and wait' while we do our same-ol-song-and-dance routine and then capitalize on it at the right time.

sometimes we win b/c of it, and sometimes we lose. just posting my observations.. :)
 
blue32 said:
I know, I've heard the same ol' song and dance. It's just that I am not a damn basketball aficionado, and I can now tell what the hell is going on, almost every play! :dunno:

To me it look's as if the defense can just 'lie and wait' while we do our same-ol-song-and-dance routine and then capitalize on it at the right time.

sometimes we win b/c of it, and sometimes we lose. just posting my observations.. :)
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Our offense always looks like :pokecrap: when the defense is bad. When we have to take the ball out of the net and walk it up all night . . . ugh, it's never pretty.
 
I don't see it as an issue so much with the offense as I do with not having a 3rd player step up and score. Our problems in the playoffs was getting contribution from two players, instead of 3 or more.
I know some will say the offense doesn't create easy baskets for others, but I don't see it as an easy basket issue, but as another player creating offense for themselves when things break down. The issue is we're easy to handle because you can double the ball out of Roy's hands. Problem is when you double it out of his hands, and it goes to someone like Blake, or a big up near the perimiter. Or Batum/Webster. Getting it out of his hands, and getting it in Miller or Bayless' hands helps, because it gets it right back into the hands of someone who can attack and create. Some people have off nights. If Bayless started hitting those early shots, they would have came out on him more, and he might have been that third scorer we needed. As it is, he was off, so was LMA most of the night it seemed, and there really wasn't anyone else to pick up the slack.
 
RR7 said:
I don't see it as an issue so much with the offense as I do with not having a 3rd player step up and score. Our problems in the playoffs was getting contribution from two players, instead of 3 or more.
I know some will say the offense doesn't create easy baskets for others, but I don't see it as an easy basket issue, but as another player creating offense for themselves when things break down. The issue is we're easy to handle because you can double the ball out of Roy's hands. Problem is when you double it out of his hands, and it goes to someone like Blake, or a big up near the perimiter. Or Batum/Webster. Getting it out of his hands, and getting it in Miller or Bayless' hands helps, because it gets it right back into the hands of someone who can attack and create. Some people have off nights. If Bayless started hitting those early shots, they would have came out on him more, and he might have been that third scorer we needed. As it is, he was off, so was LMA most of the night it seemed, and there really wasn't anyone else to pick up the slack.
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Yet and still, Philly shot 55% and had 60 points in the paint (according to Ian Furness) Our offense wasn't pretty last night, but the defense was worse. I agree with what you are saying, but I'm more concerned with defense than I am guys having off shooting nights - that's just going to happen sometimes. You can still win those games you shoot 42% if you dig in defensively, rebound the basketball, and don't turn the ball over.
 
I agree. Sorry, wasn't necessarily responding specifically to your post. I agree the defense was a much bigger issue than the offense was. Just referencing our offense in general.

Our defense was awful last night. There were multiple times I noticed a defender near the basket having no clue what was going on. Backs turned to everything, etc. A big issue is, while Juwan is nice in spots, and will be solid for us in stretches, he's also going to have poor nights like last night. The biggest issue being defense. Guys on the perimiter get beat on the dribble, and there's nobody in the lane to do anything about it. Hell, I wouldn' tmind starting Pendergraph, and see what happens. He had some poor moments as well, but he's at least a big body, and he'd put someone on their ass if they came in against him too often.
 
This isn't a mystery. Since the Joel injury, Portland has won every quarter they outrebounded their opponent. Philly put in the effort last night, and the results match the effort.
 
hasoos said:
This isn't a mystery. Since the Joel injury, Portland has won every quarter they outrebounded their opponent. Philly put in the effort last night, and the results match the effort.
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I am pretty sure this was true before the Joel injury.


Probably even before the Oden injury.


The way Portland plays, they have to out rebound their opponent to win games. When they don't they get stomped.
 
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