8 Black Youths Convicted of Hate Crime

[phunDamentalz]

<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That didn't offend me, just because I live in a perdominately white area doesn't mean I don't know, or haven't experienced racisim.

And you guys are claiming that all these hate crimes against whites go unreported, what is your basis for that? What reason would white people have not to report crimes against them?

Your more than welcome to find a more reliable source that proves me wrong.


More like a year in one month, how much of a difference do you think has occured since then?</div>

Venom's got some debating skills.

 

[XSV]

^He didn't refute any of their points, so I don't see how he has great debating skills. I hate to say it, and I don't have any stats to back this up, but if this were a mob of white people beating on 3 black women, it would be all over the news in the US and Canada. This is the first I've heard of this incident. The worst thing about it to me, is that the harshest sentencing they will receive is a year in juvy or probation. That's BS. I also can't believe that they were giggling and braiding eachothers hair in trial, just shows that they don't realize the severity of what they did. Should the women have had to lose their lives for the judge to take this seriously?

 

[Chutney]

Probably because Fresh has been the only person to throw out credible statisitics. Everyone else (me included) has posted up assumptions and personal experiences.

 

[XSV]

I would think that the statistics that AF used would be invalid. When a white person assaults a black person, the first thing that comes to mind is a hate crime. When a black person assaults a white person, that's not always the case. I'm not being racist or biased, its just due to the fact that blacks are the minority.

 

[Chutney]

Still dude, that's such a generalization. There's no way of really proving that it's right or wrong in every case, which is what I think A.F. was trying to say.

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">XSV Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I would think that the statistics that AF used would be invalid. When a white person assaults a black person, the first thing that comes to mind is a hate crime. When a black person assaults a white person, that's not always the case. I'm not being racist or biased, its just due to the fact that blacks are the minority.</div>
How do you know what the first thing that comes to mind of law enforcement is when it comes to assault? It's not like the law bullsh!ts about it, it would only make sense to have concreate evidence to convict someone on a hate crime.

I really don't think statistics lie people.

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">How do you know what the first thing that comes to mind of law enforcement is when it comes to assault? It's not like the law bullsh!ts about it, it would only make sense to have concreate evidence to convict someone on a hate crime.

I really don't think statistics lie people.</div>

Then you need more life experience.

This isn't an issue that can be summed up by the amount of hate crimes on register by the FBI. It's an issue that should be best interpretted by personal experience and observations of someone qualified to speak on the subject, as in someone who has lived all over the place, or at least in an urban community at some point in his life, not Destin, Florida.

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Then you need more life experience.

This isn't an issue that can be summed up by the amount of hate crimes on register by the FBI. It's an issue that should be best interpretted by personal experience and observations of someone qualified to speak on the subject, as in someone who has lived all over the place, or at least in an urban community at some point in his life, not Destin, Florida.</div>
OK so YOU'VE experienced racism. Your one person amongst a nation of millions, and amongst the millions what race is convicted the most on hate crimes?

Let me tell you something also you don't know me , I may not live in an "urban community" doesn't mean I haven't experienced racism. Stop making assumptions you haven't a clue about over a keyboard. Not to mention you don't even have to experience it personally. You here more about white against black racism because it occurs more.

A few people in here say that have experienced racism from black people. Realize that your personal experience don't represent what goes on in the rest of America. Of course there are going to be some blacks who are racist against whites, but 60% of hate criminals are white, and yes I'm repeating myself, thats the only point that needs to be made to me.

 

[Voodoo Child]

<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">OK so YOU'VE experienced racism. Your one person amongst a nation of millions, and amongst the millions what race is convicted the most on hate crimes?

Let me tell you something also you don't know me , I may not live in an "urban community" doesn't mean I haven't experienced racism. Stop making assumptions you haven't a clue about over a keyboard. Not to mention you don't even have to experience it personally. You here more about white against black racism because it occurs more.

A few people in here say that have experienced racism from black people. Realize that your personal experience don't represent what goes on in the rest of America. Of course there are going to be some blacks who are racist against whites, but 60% of hate criminals are white, and yes I'm repeating myself, thats the only point that needs to be made to me.</div>

Well, seeing how Destin has less than 1% black population, I'm wondering what racism you could have encountered.

And as for the whole point of personal experience vs. statistics, I think that personal experience is more credible, IF, and this is a big IF, it's coming from the right person, like M Two One, who is apparently a man of the world and has seen all different facets of society, or myself, having lived in the urban South in Mississippi, America's capitol of racism, as well as living in urban Detroit, the city with the highest crime rate in America. From my personal experience, black people may not always be convicted, nor will they always be classified as hate crimes, and I think XSV brings up a good point with that, but they commit hate crimes just as frequently as any other race. See:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Most states have approached hate crime legislation by creating penalty enhancements for pre-existing crimes when those crimes were motivated by hatred, bias, or prejudice, based on the victim's inclusion in one of several legally-specified protected minorities. Thus, commission of a hate crime requires that two elements be proven. First, it must be shown that the defendant committed an enumerated predicate offense, such as assault, robbery, manslaughter, or kidnapping. Second, it must be shown that the defendant had illegal motivations based on the victim’s minority status</div>

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">A.F. Venom Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
A few people in here say that have experienced racism from black people. Realize that your personal experience don't represent what goes on in the rest of America. Of course there are going to be some blacks who are racist against whites, but 60% of hate criminals are white, and yes I'm repeating myself, thats the only point that needs to be made to me.</div>

Miami is a very diverse place, full of all sorts of people. I don't see how my experiences can only be isolated to the area I live in.

I simply believe there are various times in the news, my community, etc. , that certain Black people feel entitled to something (eg reparations) and get away with things due to white guilt (or because they've grown so accustomed to playing the race card).

 

[B.e.]

<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well, seeing how Destin has less than 1% black population, I'm wondering what racism you could have encountered.

And as for the whole point of personal experience vs. statistics, I think that personal experience is more credible, IF, and this is a big IF, it's coming from the right person, like M Two One, who is apparently a man of the world and has seen all different facets of society, or myself, having lived in the urban South in Mississippi, America's capitol of racism, as well as living in urban Detroit, the city with the highest crime rate in America. From my personal experience, black people may not always be convicted, nor will they always be classified as hate crimes, and I think XSV brings up a good point with that, but they commit hate crimes just as frequently as any other race. See:</div>
Ok, so based on what you've personally seen, your assuming black people commit hate crimes just as frequent as other races. Besides what ever little personal experience you've had, what else is there to back what you believe in? What evidence do you have that supports what you proclaim? It's not like your proclaim is illegitmate, because I know there are some black people that are just as ignorant as anybody, but there aren't really any facts that prove to me black people commit as many hate crimes as whites.

 

[Shapecity]

I'm going to sidestep the race issue, and just categorize a group of people attacking and beating up another group of people as a-holes. Every race has a group of aholes and those aholes often times are used to misrepresent an entire race.

Reading through the posts on here, a lot of people are speaking from personal experience and one needs to respect that. However, I don't think it's productive to debate why the media twists a story one way versus the other. The media does what it does to create drama and draw in viewership. There's no doubt the media has double standards and you're going to base your standards on your own personal experience.

The bottomline though, is everyone who has had an opinion has experienced some form of racism, or what I like to call aholism.

We've all shared a bad experience and no one liked it so how do we progress from it?