9/11 Finally An Explanation.......

[THE HCP]

http://www.disclose.tv/news/europea...llapsed_due_to_a_controlled_demolition/134959

 

[Denny Crane]

Not believable. Sorry.

 

[barfo]

Finally? That nonsense has been around for, well, 15 years.

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

This needs to get merged with the "Hillary Clinton is a Jewish Reptilian" thread.

 

[dviss1]

Not believable. Sorry.

Neither is jet fuel....

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I avoid this stuff like the plague. However, I've seen a few demolitions of Vegas casinos and they never fall that evenly.

I saw a youtube video of botched demos and it was pretty good.

 

[riverman]

S2 is the new National Enquirer!

 

[oldfisherman]

Hmmm, at this point, I do believe there are legitimate questions about how building 7 collapsed.

Building 7 was not hit by a plane, and was 100 yards from the twin towers. It did receive some damage from the towers, but only had small fires on a couple of floors.

All of the many building engineers and architects in the video claim that the only way for building 7 to collapse the way it did, free fall with no resistance between floors, was if all 400 connections failed at the exact same time. The fires would not have caused all 400 connections to fail. They also claim none of the connections would have failed due to a fire, let alone all of them failing at the same time. The beams would have started to weaken and bend from the heat from the fires, but the connections are stronger than the beams and would have held.

Their conclusion is, the only known cause for all 400 connections failing at the same time would be due to an explosion at all 400 points. There are several videos where a loud explosion can be heard coming from building 7, which support their theory of an explosion inside the building.

I am not sure what to believe at this point about building 7. Jet fuel was not a factor since a plane did not hit it. There must have been some sort of explosive devices inside the building, but I have no idea why explosives would be there.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Neither is jet fuel....

Tell that to Paul Allen.

 

[dviss1]

Tell that to Paul Allen.

.........nvm........

 

[dviss1]

I avoid this stuff like the plague. However, I've seen a few demolitions of Vegas casinos and they never fall that evenly.

I saw a youtube video of botched demos and it was pretty good.

Why? Those of us who want an independent investigation really want to know. To me it's really funny how the same MFs who don't trust government and are arming themselves to repel said government for an imaginary attack, are the same people who believe government's story about 9/11. You know, the same government that taps our phones and lied to us about it, passes the patriot act in the middle of the night to give us the illusion that we actually have rights, and committed slavery and genocide.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Why? Those of us who want an independent investigation really want to know. To me it's really funny how the same MFs who don't trust government and are arming themselves to repel said government for an imaginary attack, are the same people who believe government's story about 9/11. You know, the same government that taps our phones and lied to us about it, passes the patriot act in the middle of the night to give us the illusion that we actually have rights, and committed slavery and genocide.

Because our government could have done nothing wrong and still be lying to us.

 

[blue32]

http://www.disclose.tv/news/europea...llapsed_due_to_a_controlled_demolition/134959

Too many fucking weird things that occurred in this to believe this wasn't a cover-up. Pentagon? Shipping evidence out? etc.etc.

 

[Denny Crane]

The extent of the fire in building 7. It burned for hours. Normally, the fire department shows up and puts out building fires.

Fire quite visible after the twin towers fell.

 

[oldfisherman]

I have not spent enough time checking out this subject, and not sure I want to spend more time on it. BUT.

I already have many questions about building 7. There are many irregularities that should have been investigated. There is too much visual and audio proof which creates questions.

Here is my first impression gut reaction. “Something” was covered up.

My first guess would be building code violations. The fires alone should not have brought building 7 down.

Organized crime has a very strong grip on construction in NY City. They may have taken some short cuts while building #7, to increase their profits. Probably enough Govt. officials where paid off to look the other way and then later help with the cover up, and hinder the investigation.

Just my wild ass guess for now, which could be a total shit pile of nonsense. But following the money often provides the answers. There is a ton of money floating around in the construction business in NY City.

 

[e_blazer]

Fifteen years later and this crap still is being debated? I know it won't be enough for you conspiracy lovers, but the official NIST study didn't say that it was jet fuel melting the columns that caused the collapse:

Based on its comprehensive investigation, NIST concluded that the WTC towers collapsed because: (1) the impact of the planes severed and damaged support columns, dislodged fireproofing insulation coating the steel floor trusses and steel columns, and widely dispersed jet fuel over multiple floors; and (2) the subsequent unusually large number of jet-fuel ignited multi-floor fires (which reached temperatures as high as 1,000 degrees Celsius, or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) significantly weakened the floors and columns with dislodged fireproofing to the point where floors sagged and pulled inward on the perimeter columns. This led to the inward bowing of the perimeter columns and failure of the south face of WTC 1 and the east face of WTC 2, initiating the collapse of each of the towers. Both photographic and video evidence—as well as accounts from the New York City Police Department aviation unit during a half-hour period prior to collapse—support this sequence for each tower.

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-laboratory/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation

 

[oldfisherman]

Fifteen years later and this crap still is being debated? I know it won't be enough for you conspiracy lovers, but the official NIST study didn't say that it was jet fuel melting the columns that caused the collapse:



https://www.nist.gov/engineering-laboratory/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation

This is not about the two WTC towers.

It is about the third tower that collapsed, which everyone is ignoring, if they even know about it.

 

[e_blazer]

This is not about the two WTC towers.

It is about the third tower that collapsed, which everyone is ignoring, if they even know about it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Project Northwoods! Inside job!

 

[oldfisherman]

The results of this US Dept of Commerce video is WHAT all of the many engineers, architects, and fire investigators in the OPs video are disputing.

The Govt’s computer simulation in this video of how the building fell does not match actual video of the collapse.

Sound similar to explosions, which the govt report denies, are heard on several video tapes. However, I am not convinced the sound was explosives. It may have been large beams breaking. Testing of the debris would hold the answer.

All of the metal and debris from building #7 was removed and never tested for anything, including for explosives or any stress related damage due to fire. This is against all regulations to investigate fires, and hints at a cover-up of some kind.

With zero tests results, the video simulation is all voodoo science, and proves nothing.


At the very least, the responsible government officials are guilty of failure to properly investigate the collapse, and are trying to cover their own asses with the video.

 

[Denny Crane]

force = mass x acceleration

mass = weight of one floor
acceleration = 9.8m/sec/sec (gravity)

mass = weight of two floors (as it collapsed)
mass = weight of three floors
...

The force at each successive floor as the building collapsed, increased geometrically. All it took was enough damage for the top floor to collapse to start the dominoes. The top floor was damaged by falling debris and fire. The top 10 floors, if not more, burned for 7 hours.

You can see in the pictures that the floors buckled for quite a while before they gave way.

The conspiracy theorists post pictures of the building not on fire.

 

[e_blazer]

The results of this US Dept of Commerce video is WHAT all of the many engineers, architects, and fire investigators in the OPs video are disputing.

The Govt’s computer simulation in this video of how the building fell does not match actual video of the collapse.

Sound similar to explosions, which the govt report denies, are heard on several video tapes. However, I am not convinced the sound was explosives. It may have been large beams breaking. Testing of the debris would hold the answer.

All of the metal and debris from building #7 was removed and never tested for anything, including for explosives or any stress related damage due to fire. This is against all regulations to investigate fires, and hints at a cover-up of some kind.

With zero tests results, the video simulation is all voodoo science, and proves nothing.


At the very least, the responsible government officials are guilty of failure to properly investigate the collapse, and are trying to cover their own asses with the video.

Here's a FAQ page that answers most of the questions that have been raised:

https://www.nist.gov/engineering-laboratory/faqs-nist-wtc-7-investigation

 

[Natebishop3]

My theory has always been that if there was some kind of conspiracy, it's that the Bush administration knew it was coming (there's ample evidence that the FBI had figured out that something was afoot) and they did nothing to stop it.

My suspicion is that they never in a million years thought it would end that badly. They let the shit happen, they get to have their war, Cheney gets to pay Halliburton billions of dollars during their made-up war, and all the corporate fat cats are happy.

Kind of similar to the theories that the US knew that Japan was going to attack and let it happen so it would inspire the people to get into the war. They just conveniently had the carriers out of the harbor that day, the only ships that actually mattered in the Pacific fleet.

 

[e_blazer]

My theory is that some fucking middle-eastern zealot terrorists hijacked some planes and flew them into the Twin Towers, causing them to collapse along with WTC7 and killing around 3,000 people. Man, I have a wild imagination.

 

[speeds]

Harambe did 9/11

 

[Natebishop3]

My theory is that some fucking middle-eastern zealot terrorists hijacked some planes and flew them into the Twin Towers, causing them to collapse along with WTC7 and killing around 3,000 people. Man, I have a wild imagination.

If you're a corporate puppet like Cheney, 3,000 lives for billions of dollars in government contracts is a bargain.

 

[Natebishop3]

Oh snap, the Egyptians caught wind of my theory... Which one of you guys is this reporter?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-columnist-a7308926.html?cmpid=facebook-post

A columnist for a state-run newspaper in Egypt has suggested the US invented Isis and set up the 9/11 attacks to justify its military interventions in the Middle East.

“Is it possible to believe the official version, from the US government, of the events of 11 September 2001?” wrote journalist Noha Al-Sharnoubi in Al-Ahram, a major national Egyptian newspaper owned by the government.

Ms Al-Sharnoubi said the World Trade Centre and Pentagon attacks could have been premeditated to "justify the war on terror” in her column, published on 23 August.

 

[e_blazer]

Oh snap, the Egyptians caught wind of my theory... Which one of you guys is this reporter?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...i-columnist-a7308926.html?cmpid=facebook-post

What an imbecilic article.

Is it conceivable that four hijacked planes flew around so freely, penetrated US airspace and hit the towers of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon one by one, with an interval of 15 minutes and 30 minutes between the attacks," she added.

Penetrated US airspace? The flights originated in US airspace from US airports. There was a whole lot of confusion during that first hour. A plane hit the WTC and most initially thought it was an accident until the 2nd plane hit.

 

[Denny Crane]

The first news I heard on 9/11 was that a personal prop plane hit one of the towers. It felt like war was declared on us when the second one hit.

We had no idea if it was just the two, then three , then four planes, or if it was many more.

It seems more like W was hesitant to go to war against Iraq. That happened over a year later, 2003, not immediately after 9/11. He could have ordered the invasion any time - he was commander in chief. Instead, he allowed for prolonged public debate. And he did offer Saddam a peaceful exit. The year+ gave Saddam a chance to sue for peace, as well.

 

[e_blazer]

If you're a corporate puppet like Cheney, 3,000 lives for billions of dollars in government contracts is a bargain.

And how were Cheney and Co. supposed to have arranged for a bunch of guys from the middle east to hijack jetliners to go on suicide missions (with the intent of helping the US have an excuse to attack Iraq)? How were they supposed to have pulled off getting hundreds of pounds of thermite or other similar explosives into the towers and placed around support columns (including stripping away protective insulation) without anybody noticing? Why would they even need to bother with that step? You don't think that flying the planes into the WTC and, as planned, the Pentagon and White House would have done the job? The job would have had to involve dozens of people taking treasonous action against the US, and nobody spills the beans? The number of people that would have had to be involved afterwards in covering up evidence of a controlled explosion would have had to include not only the NIST team, but the experts they hired to help with the analysis, NYPD and NYFD investigators. And nobody's said a word in 15 years?

This is a case where there's just a really good supposed motive, a lot of hate against the Bush Administration, but no logical or even plausible method by which it could have been carried out.