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Anyone listen to this show? These two are complete jackasses! This morning they had Wheels on and Gavin went off about how disappointed he was in how Oden looks. Wheels tried explaining to him that he needs to have patience this kid just came off surgery and that after watching Amare come off the same surgery he didn't think he'd ever play at an elite level again. It sucks this is the best station to hear Blazer talk but these two are killing it for me.
 
They may not know anything, but they do at least talk about the Blazers and they do exactly what morning show talk jocks are supposed to do -- provoke a reaction. To prove my point, here you are on a message board talking about their show.
 
yeah. That was a heated discussion. Half of me enjoyed it and the other half wanted to reach thru my radio and pummel gavins ass
 
Anyone listen to this show? These two are complete jackasses! This morning they had Wheels on and Gavin went off about how disappointed he was in how Oden looks. Wheels tried explaining to him that he needs to have patience this kid just came off surgery and that after watching Amare come off the same surgery he didn't think he'd ever play at an elite level again. It sucks this is the best station to hear Blazer talk but these two are killing it for me.

I know. After The Bald Face Lie with Canzano, this is easily the worst sports show I have ever heard.
 
I liked wheels explanation too. I have a lot of respect for him. I was wrong about greg starting. Like many I'm wanting to force greatness out of oden as fast as possible instead of letting it develop naturally
 
They may not know anything, but they do at least talk about the Blazers and they do exactly what morning show talk jocks are supposed to do -- provoke a reaction. To prove my point, here you are on a message board talking about their show.

Wow, someone else who actually understands the entertainment business!!
 
I know. After The Bald Face Lie with Canzano, this is easily the worst sports show I have ever heard.

canzano was dead wrong yesterday about bobby gross. He doesn't understand this team or the city. We are not other sports franchises. That championship team was unlike any in sports. Retiring jerseys is a way for the team, city, and fans to uniquely honor the greatness associated with it. Greatness is in the eye of the beholder. He doesn't get that
 
Wow, someone else who actually understands the entertainment business!!


That was kind of Wheels point. Saying something stupid to provoke discussion might be the way things are done now, but that doesn't mean that intelligent conversation won't work too. I understand that Gavin is not saying Greg won't ever be good. I understand that Greg's health has been disappointing, but to say that there is no reason for him to be so out of shape is idiotic. Yeah moron there is a good reason, he hasn't been able to run. Wait a couple of weeks before you question his work ethic. Questioning his durability is legitimate, but Wheel's point about the media building him up to tear him down is also legitimate. The media enjoys this shit. I personally think it is ridiculous.
 
I didn't hear it this morning, but generally Gavin's OK when he's not with CIP (which I think is a stupid nickname). When those two are together, they can get really annoying. But when Gavin is doing stuff like his Blazer podcast or the fifth quarter sometimes, he's fine to listen to.
CIP? The guy is a jackass.
 
I didn't hear it this morning, but generally Gavin's OK when he's not with CIP (which I think is a stupid nickname). When those two are together, they can get really annoying. But when Gavin is doing stuff like his Blazer podcast or the fifth quarter sometimes, he's fine to listen to.
CIP? The guy is a jackass.

Gavin is fine when he's balanced by Casey Holdahl and Dave from Blazersedge; he tends to defer to them and what they have to say, versus dropping his typically over-emotional (and overly cynical) analysis. As for Chad, the guy is awful ... and a Kobe/Lakers fan to boot.
 
He has been taking it pretty hard on GO lately. As much as it makes me sad, I kinda agree with him. Barrett and Rice and other team ppl have been ridiculous with raising our expectations, and honestly, from that buildup and the fact that he was the #1 overall pick of course he has been dissapointing from the 2 games he has played so far (which may be the most disappointing part of all).

The guy needs time, and we need patience, but if people like Barrett are going to keep up what they are doing, they are placing unfair expectations on Oden.

Overall, the morning sports page is probably my favorite show on the game... other than that I like the Wheels show, and then Oregon Duck shows and Blazer shows (courtside, pre-game, gametime, 5th QTR, etc...).
 
I thought you were talking about Gavin Newsom.
 
Gavin did this same tired rant yesterday, too. In addition to being wrong, and generally overly harsh on Oden, he also stated the Blazers, as a team have been a huge disappointment so far this season, That the expectations were for the Blazers to make the play-offs and that so far they have not looked like a play-off team (and that's in a large part, Greg's fault).

Not looked like a play-off team?????? They are 5-3, in spite of the toughest early season schedule in NBA history - and having injuries to two of their five projected starters. Oden has played 29 minutes and Martell zero in the first 8 games, and the team is still 5-3. They have wins against San Antonio - who won 57 games last season, Houston - who won 55, and a road win over Orlando - who won 52 games last season. They are currently tied with Houston for the 4th best record in the Western Conference. How, exactly, have they NOT looked like a play-off team?

I HATE it when paid professionals can't even get simple facts straight. If the Blazers were struggling without getting meaningful production out of Greg Oden, I could at least understand the reasoning behind his argument (I still wouldn't agree with it, but at least I'd understand where he's coming from). But, the team is NOT struggling at all. They DO look like a legitimate play-off team - and when Greg gets into game shape, it can lonely help.

I don't appreciate him being negative just to be negative. I understand the goal to generate controversy where none exists to boost ratings. It may actually work short term, but like Canzano, in my eyes it damages his reputation. It's blatantly transparent and will cause me to discount his opinions in the future. If he keeps it up, he'll also lose me as a listener - for the exact same reason I refuse to listen to Canzano's radio show or read his column.

BNM
 
he doesnt think we can make the playoffs unless greg is at an allstar level.. i think we can greg or not

he used to be really knowledgable back when he did post games at 1080 but he is trash now
 
They may not know anything, but they do at least talk about the Blazers and they do exactly what morning show talk jocks are supposed to do -- provoke a reaction. To prove my point, here you are on a message board talking about their show.

Of course I understand their purpose is to provoke which usually means an increase in listeners. I don't personally listen for that crap. I normally tune in hoping to hear from Wheels or Barrett. I know these guys can be homers but they are extremely close to the team and actually see practice so it gives us more of an insider view.

My knock on these guys are their comments "Blazers don't look like a playoff team" (yet they are on a 4 game win streak, 2 in a row on the road), "GO looks horrible and I can't understand how a guy can be in that bad a shap" (no shit he's in bad shape he's coming off surgery and then a severe ankle sprain you can build up BB cardio when you can't run/play). They just seem to throw things out there without researching it better. Wheels mentioned that Amare looked absolutely attrocious when he first came back. I just wish the station would have picked a better morning show. I want to hear about the Blazers (good or bad) without having to deal with two assholes who hang up on you if your opinion is different than theirs.
 
Wow... just listened to the podcast of it.. usually on these interviews, Wheels just sounds montone and going through the motions but at the end, he really got fired up. Gavin really acted like an ass, and looked kind of stupid next to Wheels.

Then when Gavin felt he was getting embarrassed, he just cut Wheels off and Gavin had the last word and we didn't even hear Wheels say bye or anything. Ouch.
 
the real question is how can someone be rude to wheels
 
Of course I understand their purpose is to provoke which usually means an increase in listeners. I don't personally listen for that crap. I normally tune in hoping to hear from Wheels or Barrett. I know these guys can be homers but they are extremely close to the team and actually see practice so it gives us more of an insider view.

My knock on these guys are their comments "Blazers don't look like a playoff team" (yet they are on a 4 game win streak, 2 in a row on the road), "GO looks horrible and I can't understand how a guy can be in that bad a shap" (no shit he's in bad shape he's coming off surgery and then a severe ankle sprain you can build up BB cardio when you can't run/play). They just seem to throw things out there without researching it better. Wheels mentioned that Amare looked absolutely attrocious when he first came back. I just wish the station would have picked a better morning show. I want to hear about the Blazers (good or bad) without having to deal with two assholes who hang up on you if your opinion is different than theirs.

That's the beauty of it. You don't know whether you're going to get crap or intelligent conversation.
Stephen A. Smith has a job for a reason (though it's not a good enough reason for me!)
 
That's the beauty of it. You don't know whether you're going to get crap or intelligent conversation.
Stephen A. Smith has a job for a reason (though it's not a good enough reason for me!)

I guess I'm in the minority I would prefer intelligent radio. Give me facts, give me behind the scenes stuff but don't try to drum up listeners by spewing crap our of your mouth.
 
most blazer fans and tv personalities have no patience and are only interested in THE NOW. not surprised. they need to chill out and just enjoy basketball.
 
I guess I'm in the minority I would prefer intelligent radio. Give me facts, give me behind the scenes stuff but don't try to drum up listeners by spewing crap our of your mouth.
Not to totally defend Gavin, but I think he has a point with how Rice and Wheels are singing Greg's praises in practice. Practice? We talking about practice? I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Practice?
 
Not to totally defend Gavin, but I think he has a point with how Rice and Wheels are singing Greg's praises in practice. Practice? We talking about practice? I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Practice?
its not just the blazer people that are praising gregs practices
 
I guess I'm in the minority I would prefer intelligent radio. Give me facts, give me behind the scenes stuff but don't try to drum up listeners by spewing crap our of your mouth.

Agreed. What Gavin did this morning, completely lost me as a listener. What Canzano, did yesterday, the same.

I'm not going to give them my loyal ear. I'll listen to NPR, saved Podcasts, audiobooks, or music instead.

Screw them. They had an opportunity to do something different.
 
Not to totally defend Gavin, but I think he has a point with how Rice and Wheels are singing Greg's praises in practice. Practice? We talking about practice? I mean listen, we're sitting here talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, but we're talking about practice. Practice?

What should they do? Not report it?
 
Then when Gavin felt he was getting embarrassed, he just cut Wheels off and Gavin had the last word and we didn't even hear Wheels say bye or anything. Ouch.

During my 10 minute morning commute, from 7:45 - 7:55am, I have a choice of listening to Gavin and CIP or Colin Cowherd. I generally choose the morning sports page, becaue they have their around the NBA bit slotted at 7:45am. I'm not much of a football fan. Basketball is my life. So, my natural instinct is to catch around the NBA on the MSP.

However, I can't stand CIP. And now, his Jim Rome wannabe schtick has infected Gavin Dawson. They are rude to callers, rude to their listerners and now rude to their guests. Anybody who disagrees with them in any way is dismissed as an idiot and hung-up on. So much for lively discussion. They are rude, immature, arrogant and clueless.

The worst part is, they are totally clueless on the subjects they rant on and on about. Neither one has a basketball background, but suddenly because they have their own show, they think they know more about basketball than guys like Kevin Pritchard and Brian Wheeler who make their living based on their knowledge of the sport.

I love listening to Wheels and Kenny. Wheels is great and always a class act. I know he works for the team and is rarely critical of the team, but he does provide an insiders perspective that I appreciate. He travels with the team and has access to the players, coaches and GM - unlike the MSP boys who just make stuff up as they go. Kenny Vance may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I'm glad he's back on local radio. He'll never make a good lead, but is always an adequate side-kick. He was good when he used to sit in with Mychal and Kermit and was good as Colin's second banana. He's also a good fit next to Wheels. And, he actually knows a little something about the NBA. Back when he covered the Blazers for the Columbian, he was the NBA Insider on the Michael and Kermit version of The Big Show. He's followed the league for decades and while many of the players he used to have access to have long since retired, at least he has an NBA background.

We have more media coverage of the Blazers now than ever. Unfortunately, many of those covering them (Gavin and CIP, Ropp and Big Suke) know NOTHING about basketball. Even the local sports writers (Quick and Canzano) regularly display a complete lack of knowledge about the NBA salary cap, collective bargaining agreement, etc. I just don't understand why, in this city with one prefessional sports team, the local radio stations can't seem to get more on-air "talent" with a general background in that sport. Most other cities have former players calling the games, doing pre and post game shows, hosting regular radio call-in shows, etc. Heck, even here in Portland we used to have Mychal and Kermit. Now, we have Antonio Harvey, verbally tripping over himself, doing color commentary during the game broadcasts and that's it. It strikes me as highly ironic that the most vocal local media mouthpieces want to hold the Blazers to a higher standard when the quality of their own work is decidedly sub-standard.

BNM
 
Agreed. What Gavin did this morning, completely lost me as a listener. What Canzano, did yesterday, the same.

I'm not going to give them my loyal ear. I'll listen to NPR, saved Podcasts, audiobooks, or music instead.

Screw them. They had an opportunity to do something different.

I agree 100%. Gavin has been on this Oden tirade for a couple days now and is now just seeping in pundintry. He as basing on Oden from being out of shape (because I guess he's had the past season to get in shape?) to not having a killer instinct because people are suggesting he be brought along slowly. I have really gotten tired of listening to Gavin and the Chad guy but still gave them a chance. Yesterday was kind of the last straw for me, especially considering how rude he was to Wheels. I'll be listening to Cowherd in the mornings now and Wheels on my drive home.

I also agree they really had a chance to do something different from the 1080 guys, but it's the same crap except in the mornings instead of the afternoon.

On a side note, anyone know who we can email to voice our displeasure?
 
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