95.5 The Game hints that Livingston signing has happened/is imminent

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Wheels and Jay Allen trying to get Tom Penn to confirm it, but they just made it seem like this is a done deal.

Shaun Livingston signed?

-Pop
 
SodaPopinski said:
Wheels and Jay Allen trying to get Tom Penn to confirm it, but they just made it seem like this is a done deal.

Shaun Livingston signed?

-Pop
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Damn, wouldn't that be something. We were talking about a deal where we sent some serious talent and cap relief to the Clips for him and now we get him for nothing? Sure, he has some rehab to do, but if there's a team that can wait on Livingston to get back to full strength, it's us.
 
I would be delighted if this happened!

Ed O.
 
I've been listening since about 2:40, but was busy doing stuff around my office so I missed this snippet. What was said exactly?
 
Wow, I hope this is true.

This would be an incredibly-low-risk / very-high-reward investment. I would almost call it an arbitrage. :)
 
blazerboy30 said:
Wow, I hope this is true.

This would be an incredibly-low-risk / very-high-reward investment. I would almost call it an arbitrage. :)
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I had errently referred to it as a high-beta signing, but it occurs to me that there's really not much downside.
 
If they want to sign him after taking a good look at his knee, then it seems like a no-brainer.

I'm very curious about the amount and contract terms if this is true. It should give us further hints as to how KP plans to approach the FA period next summer.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I've been listening since about 2:40, but was busy doing stuff around my office so I missed this snippet. What was said exactly?
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They first had Tom Penn on and were jokingly asking him "Do you have any other breaking news to report?" ::snicker snicker:: "You know this is the official station for breaking Blazers news."

Then they alluded to Shaun Livingston, and Tom Penn avoided the question.

Then they had KP on, and they posed the same question, and he said "Nah, nah, guys, this day is about Rudy."

Anyways, the guys couldn't have been more obvious with their prodding. May not happen, but Jay Allen and Brian Wheeler sure made it sound like they knew something about the Livingston deal, and I doubt they'd be bringing it up if the news was "we passed on him."

-Pop
 
The likely real world consequence of this is most likely to be nil, but it would be an extremely exciting lottery ticket for the 15th roster spot, and at a time when one doesn't normally get any interesting basketball news.

I would be delighted, too, as others have said. Low/no risk, high reward, as other have said.
 
Yeah my only concern is that it really doesn't help the imbalanced roster as it currently stands, but if the thought is that this move isn't going to pay dividends for a couple years down the road, you then have to look at the roster two years from now, and I have no idea how that is going to look.

But if the thought process is that both Steve Blake and Sergio Rodriguez are not Blazers in two years, this deal makes sense. We'd have three guys on the roster who could play point in Brandon, Bayless and Livingston instead of the five we currently have.

But for right now, with the current roster, an argument could have been made for using that 15th roster spot on a backup center or strong shooter or defender at the small forward position.

I like the move, though, and I don't necessarily subscribe to the above argument. I think we're building for a run in a year or two, and if we have a chance to sign Livingston and he pans out, that only helps us in our cause.

-Pop
 
AS you point out it doesn't help unbalance things as the roster currently stands, but he won't affect that anyway as he won't be ready probably till mid-season anyway. If he is signed though I think there is a fair chance that this is Blakes last season here.
 
The only thing I would say, is that I hope it would be fore 3-4 years. If he does come back, and he does play at a high level, then it would really suck to have him leave in a couple years because we didn't have bird rights.
 
Why would you care about a balanced roster? It looks to me like the Blazers have good players and backups at every position. With the 15th spot of a roster all you need to see is upside.
 
To really mess with Enrico Fermi's quote, "Where is he?"
 
Natebishop3 said:
The only thing I would say, is that I hope it would be fore 3-4 years. If he does come back, and he does play at a high level, then it would really suck to have him leave in a couple years because we didn't have bird rights.
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Yes, exactly! This happens all the time with second-round picks. Contracts that don't last long enough to ensure Bird rights if they unexpectedly turn into good players. If you're going to gamble on Livingston, do it right and ensure that you are able to re-sign him if he turns into a good player.
 
Even if they have a deal put together they would porbably not release it as it is "Rudy Day" today.


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Minstrel said:
Yes, exactly! This happens all the time with second-round picks. Contracts that don't last long enough to ensure Bird rights if they unexpectedly turn into good players. If you're going to gamble on Livingston, do it right and ensure that you are able to re-sign him if he turns into a good player.
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See Joel Pryz or Steve Blake, although we did end up keeping them in the end.
 
Great pickup! Let Bobby Medina work with him all season and get him out there in 09-10!
 
This would be a really savvy piece of business. High upside, no big loss if it doesn't work out. (The opportunity cost is not having the chance to pick up Luke Jackson? I can live with that... sorry Duck fans.) If Livingston ever gets back to being healthy... wow.

SR
 
How bad was Shaun's injury compared to Jay Williams. It seemed as though Williams was poised to make a comeback a few times and it never really panned out. I'm still skeptical that Livingston can make any sort of meaningful comeback, but as many have already mentioned, low risk / high reward.

Considering that we have plenty of talent and don't really need any major roster moves, I'd be fine with letting Raef walk at the end of the year and keeping our roster as is.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
How bad was Shaun's injury compared to Jay Williams. It seemed as though Williams was poised to make a comeback a few times and it never really panned out. I'm still skeptical that Livingston can make any sort of meaningful comeback, but as many have already mentioned, low risk / high reward.

Considering that we have plenty of talent and don't really need any major roster moves, I'd be fine with letting Raef walk at the end of the year and keeping our roster as is.
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I don't really remember the extent of Williams' injury. We didn't get the benefit of watching it over and over on youtube.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
How bad was Shaun's injury compared to Jay Williams. It seemed as though Williams was poised to make a comeback a few times and it never really panned out. I'm still skeptical that Livingston can make any sort of meaningful comeback, but as many have already mentioned, low risk / high reward.

Considering that we have plenty of talent and don't really need any major roster moves, I'd be fine with letting Raef walk at the end of the year and keeping our roster as is.
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Well if you really want to see it, remember, you asked for it:

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To those saying there is no downside, does that mean the deal is only 1 season guaranteed and the rest team options?

If not he could potentially cost us cap-room, which I don't value very highly but it still does have some value.
 
Draco's Evil Sidekick said:
To those saying there is no downside, does that mean the deal is only 1 season guaranteed and the rest team options?

If not he could potentially cost us cap-room, which I don't value very highly but it still does have some value.
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If the Blazers sign him, I'm interested to see what they signed him to.

If I'm PA (well I guess I'm on my yachat in the tropics), but if I'm KP, I offer more than what he can get out there for the first year in order for him to take a 3 yr deal with two years being a team option.

In a way I think that is how they signed Blake. Didn't Blake get 4 yrs at 4 mil/yr with two years being option years. If Blake's market value was 3 mil (which was being speculated) then signing a 3 yr deal at 3 mil/yr is 9 mil. If I'm Blake I take the 4 mil/yr for a guarenteed 8 mil and maybe 8 mil more. If Blazers don't pick up the option he has to think he can at least get a couple mil somewhere for a year and still come out on top.
 
Draco's Evil Sidekick said:
To those saying there is no downside, does that mean the deal is only 1 season guaranteed and the rest team options?

If not he could potentially cost us cap-room, which I don't value very highly but it still does have some value.
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Good point, of course. But presumably he wouldn't be signed to a very large contract, and I'm pretty sure the vaunted cap room plan is going to come to naught anyways. There really aren't any big-name unrestricted free agents who I'd even want to sign in next year's class, and if our team is as good this year as I think it's going to be, we'll be fine to just re-sign our own guys. I think Livingston, even if guaranteed to a contract past '09 at a couple million a season, would be a worthwhile gamble.

SR
 
Stepping Razor said:
This would be a really savvy piece of business. High upside, no big loss if it doesn't work out. (The opportunity cost is not having the chance to pick up Luke Jackson? I can live with that... sorry Duck fans.) If Livingston ever gets back to being healthy... wow.

SR
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SR, great to see you in here!
 
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