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dviss1 said:
Referees don't go looking for fouls. They see it then call it. Referees don't plant evidence. And no referee that I know is a liar.
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Oh come on now. Your not being impartial.

Wasn't there a ref just a couple years ago that admitted to rigging something or something like that?

If you are inferring that there is a greater percentage of evil within our countries police force than the average mean, I think you are not looking at things impartially. Or I would ask for some numbers to back up your opinion.

The fact is there is evil in every group and there is good in every group.

You tend to make your argument out to sound like the vast majority of cops are evil, and im just not buying it. sound plainly impartial and maybe even personal.
 
dviss1 said:
Magical? I'm sorry let's make sure that we all require cops to have degrees. How about a four-year baccalaureate program to be a cop? Then pay their ass over 100,000 so they don't have to worry about offsetting that check. It's funny to me that the people who don't trust government want to trust the governmental enforcers...
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So you fear cops have poor morals and low integrity and you believe that 4 years of college will solve these moral dilemmas?
 
e_blazer said:
Hello, Tim Donaghy calling.

I've no idea what the percentage of "good" to "bad" cops is. I suspect that it varies from department to department depending upon whether management is corrupt or how diligent management is in rooting out bad cops. My impression, unsupported by any research, is that there are two general types of people who go into police work: those who are motivated by and take "serve and protect" seriously, and those who enjoy having a bit of a power trip over people. I'd like to think the former far outnumber the latter, but I do wonder if that isn't naive on my part. I do know this; being a cop today isn't easy and it isn't safe. Even a routine traffic stop can end up with a cop getting shot. Expecting them to get life and death situations, often made in a split second when they're under stress, right all the time isn't realistic. Expecting them to TRY to do so is.
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I'm not sure why you even brought this up because it doesn't make my statement untrue. I don't fucking know Tim Donaghy...
 
rasheedfan2005 said:
So you fear cops have poor morals and low integrity and you believe that 4 years of college will solve these moral dilemmas?
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Nope.

4 years of college will weed out the ones who don't even want to go through that much work to get to be a cop. And those who do go through the four years and start making 80K+ won't do something stupid to lose that job.

Figure this shit out y'all...
 
Orion Bailey said:
Oh come on now. Your not being impartial.

Wasn't there a ref just a couple years ago that admitted to rigging something or something like that?

If you are inferring that there is a greater percentage of evil within our countries police force than the average mean, I think you are not looking at things impartially. Or I would ask for some numbers to back up your opinion.

The fact is there is evil in every group and there is good in every group.

You tend to make your argument out to sound like the vast majority of cops are evil, and im just not buying it. sound plainly impartial and maybe even personal.
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See my post above and understand logic. I'm not talking about Tim Donaghey. I don't damn know Tim. I specifically said the referees that I know. And I know 700+ referees.
 
Y'all don't seem to make sense. There's another Thread about police officers were a bunch of y'all come in here and say oh "ninety-nine percent of officers are good". I'm simply calling bullshit on that. So get the fuck out of here with these 99% numbers because they are a load of crap.

Like I said even 99% of pussy isn't good.

We've had the justice department show that there has been systemic racism in a few different police departments. Look it up.
 
dviss1 said:
I'm not sure why you even brought this up because it doesn't make my statement untrue. I don't fucking know Tim Donaghy...
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Oh come on now, dviss1. You said, "Referees don't go looking for fouls. They see it then call it. Referees don't plant evidence. And no referee that I know is a liar." Three of those statements are generic. Only one is specific to referees you personally know. My reference to Tim Donaghy was intended towards the first three. And, while you don't know Donaghy, you certainly know of him and the crap he pulled.

Police can be dishonest and corrupt. Politicians can be dishonest and corrupt. Priests and pastors can be dishonest and corrupt. Referees or people doing any other job you care to mention can be dishonest and corrupt. The common element is PEOPLE. People sometimes behave badly; we all know that. Taking the bad behavior of some and applying it to a whole class is stereotypical thinking. The real question that it seems to me that you're raising is not whether there are bad apples among cops (we all know that there are); it's whether there's a systemic problem that exists where a high percentage of cops are corrupt. I don't think that's true in most police departments, but I'm sure willing to listen to any data that would support that premise.

Edited to add "most police departments" to that last statement. There have been instances of significant corruption shown in some areas.
 
e_blazer said:
Oh come on now, dviss1. You said, "Referees don't go looking for fouls. They see it then call it. Referees don't plant evidence. And no referee that I know is a liar." Three of those statements are generic. Only one is specific to referees you personally know. My reference to Tim Donaghy was intended towards the first three. And, while you don't know Donaghy, you certainly know of him and the crap he pulled.

Police can be dishonest and corrupt. Politicians can be dishonest and corrupt. Priests and pastors can be dishonest and corrupt. Referees or people doing any other job you care to mention can be dishonest and corrupt. The common element is PEOPLE. People sometimes behave badly; we all know that. Taking the bad behavior of some and applying it to a whole class is stereotypical thinking. The real question that it seems to me that you're raising is not whether there are bad apples among cops (we all know that there are); it's whether there's a systemic problem that exists where a high percentage of cops are corrupt. I don't think that's true in most police departments, but I'm sure willing to listen to any data that would support that premise.

Edited to add "most police departments" to that last statement. There have been instances of significant corruption shown in some areas.
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All this statement does is lend credibility to my argument that there's absolutely no way that 99% of officers can be good. Thanks.
 
e_blazer said:
Hello, Tim Donaghy calling.

I've no idea what the percentage of "good" to "bad" cops is. I suspect that it varies from department to department depending upon whether management is corrupt or how diligent management is in rooting out bad cops. My impression, unsupported by any research, is that there are two general types of people who go into police work: those who are motivated by and take "serve and protect" seriously, and those who enjoy having a bit of a power trip over people. I'd like to think the former far outnumber the latter, but I do wonder if that isn't naive on my part. I do know this; being a cop today isn't easy and it isn't safe. Even a routine traffic stop can end up with a cop getting shot. Expecting them to get life and death situations, often made in a split second when they're under stress, right all the time isn't realistic. Expecting them to TRY to do so is.
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That’s what we all say to be PC “being a cop is dangerous”. But the numbers don’t really back that up. In 2013 there were about 900,000 police officers of which only 100 died from on the job related incidents. Of that, only 31 were shot, 11 struck by car, 2 stabbed and one bomb related. The rest were mostly vehicle crashes.
https://fee.org/articles/by-the-numbers-how-dangerous-is-it-to-be-a-cop/
 
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That’s what we all say to be PC “being a cop is dangerous”. But the numbers don’t really back that up. In 2013 there were about 900,000 police officers of which only 100 died from on the job related incidents. Of that, only 31 were shot, 11 struck by car, 2 stabbed and one bomb related. The rest were mostly vehicle crashes.
https://fee.org/articles/by-the-numbers-how-dangerous-is-it-to-be-a-cop/
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It might interest you to know that FBI data shows, "118 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2016. Of these, 66 law enforcement officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 52 officers died in accidents. In addition, 57,180 officers were victims of line-of-duty assaults."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...cers-killed-and-assaulted-in-the-line-of-duty

I don't know about you, but I've never been assaulted on any of my jobs. I'd consider a career field to be dangerous where something like 5 to 6 percent of the people doing it get assaulted. That number doesn't include those who were injured in the line of duty doing things that we desk jockeys don't have any risk of having to do.
 
dviss1 said:
All this statement does is lend credibility to my argument that there's absolutely no way that 99% of officers can be good. Thanks.
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Who here is fucking saying 99 percent of officers are good. Read your own fucking post and replies, I don’t know what else you’re looking for here
 
Cippy91 said:
Who here is fucking saying 99 percent of officers are good. Read your own fucking post and replies, I don’t know what else you’re looking for here
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I might have, and I still mean it. 99% good 100% of the time? Of course not.
But I do believe 99% of cops are out to do what is right, and then fall off course at some point, but can easily get back on track again. Pretty much like most every one of us on this planet.

I think 99% of refs want to make the right call.

I believe 99% of the drivers on the road are kind, even though once behind a wheel I think that umber gets cut in half. Does it mean they are evil? no. They let themselves slide.
What is the hardest thing in this world to do?
Be steady, consistent. avoid highs and lows.
We all have them, what makes us think cops are any different? they are human, and yes should be held to a higher standard than a burger flipper, but they are still human and humans aren't perfect.
 
Orion Bailey said:
I might have, and I still mean it. 99% good 100% of the time? Of course not.
But I do believe 99% of cops are out to do what is right, and then fall off course at some point, but can easily get back on track again. Pretty much like most every one of us on this planet.

I think 99% of refs want to make the right call.

I believe 99% of the drivers on the road are kind, even though once behind a wheel I think that umber gets cut in half. Does it mean they are evil? no. They let themselves slide.
What is the hardest thing in this world to do?
Be steady, consistent. avoid highs and lows.
We all have them, what makes us think cops are any different? they are human, and yes should be held to a higher standard than a burger flipper, but they are still human and humans aren't perfect.
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So dviss made a post based off one persons comment? Damn, he’s getting that upset? I see your point. It’s not difficult to see. You’re just saying when they sign up they are most likely looking to help and do well but along the job shit happens and they either continue to try and help or turn into the villain power tripping cop or just overall scumbag. Yeah that’s not hard to understand but of course dviss would be the one to over react and make a post about it. I bet dviss would also tell you he’s never made a bad call as a ref in his life meanwhile criticizing cops for every bad judgement of theirs when their actual life is on the line not just a few parents from the bleachers yelling at you
 
Cippy91 said:
So dviss made a post based off one persons comment? Damn, he’s getting that upset? I see your point. It’s not difficult to see. You’re just saying when they sign up they are most likely looking to help and do well but along the job shit happens and they either continue to try and help or turn into the villain power tripping cop or just overall scumbag. Yeah that’s not hard to understand but of course dviss would be the one to over react and make a post about it. I bet dviss would also tell you he’s never made a bad call as a ref in his life meanwhile criticizing cops for every bad judgement of theirs when their actual life is on the line not just a few parents from the bleachers yelling at you
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ahh simmer down there Cippy. Dviss isnt without his points as well. :) I just think he holds it a little bit more personal than some of us and that is his right. I for one would never assume I know the hardships and viewpoints that come from being a Black male, other than i'm pretty darn sure the view is different than a privileged white boy like myself.
Meaning, my family history is not that of man Black Americans... littered with racism and prejudice of the likes I cant imagine. I dong know D well enough to know his personal family history, but we all know the history of this country and we have to understand that those who have been oppressed will likely have a different viewpoint of what is evil in this country and the percentage of evil in it.
 
Orion Bailey said:
ahh simmer down there Cippy. Dviss isnt without his points as well. :) I just think he holds it a little bit more personal than some of us and that is his right. I for one would never assume I know the hardships and viewpoints that come from being a Black male, other than i'm pretty darn sure the view is different than a privileged white boy like myself.
Meaning, my family history is not that of man Black Americans... littered with racism and prejudice of the likes I cant imagine. I dong know D well enough to know his personal family history, but we all know the history of this country and we have to understand that those who have been oppressed will likely have a different viewpoint of what is evil in this country and the percentage of evil in it.
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This had nothing to do with being black so don't make it about that. Dviss previously called me a dumbass in this thread. Not that I give a fuck but he needs to grow up. He constantly says outrageous shit with no points behind it. Same thing here. Whats his fucking point? wow 99 percent of police officers aren't great. Common knowledge. "I know 700 referees". Okay yeah I am sure you do and know each and every one of them. Dviss makes his OT post history off being the victim and blaming white people and cops for his problems when in reality he is pretty privileged himself so I don't wanna hear that dumb race card shit pulled, I don't even know why you are pulling it when the subject isn't even about black people. It's just about cops.
 
e_blazer said:
It might interest you to know that FBI data shows, "118 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2016. Of these, 66 law enforcement officers died as a result of felonious acts, and 52 officers died in accidents. In addition, 57,180 officers were victims of line-of-duty assaults."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...cers-killed-and-assaulted-in-the-line-of-duty

I don't know about you, but I've never been assaulted on any of my jobs. I'd consider a career field to be dangerous where something like 5 to 6 percent of the people doing it get assaulted. That number doesn't include those who were injured in the line of duty doing things that we desk jockeys don't have any risk of having to do.
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First off, by saying the job isn’t as dangerous as some suggest isn’t saying that it’s not still a commendable job if done correctly and that those numbers might be drastically higher without the protocols they have in place.

I have been assaulted at two jobs. Onc as a bouncer (duh) and once as a waiter, a junkie snuck into the bathroom and when I went to ask him to leave he lunged at me with a syringe.

But aside from that, working in a Lab can be dangerous, I’ve worked with ricin, radioactive material and a bunch else. And in wineries every year there are deaths from CO2, forklift and falling barrels/rack or electrocution. Just cause you aren’t attacked doesn’t mean the job is safe.
 
Cippy91 said:
Who here is fucking saying 99 percent of officers are good. Read your own fucking post and replies, I don’t know what else you’re looking for here
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You truly need to calm the fuck down. I'm not talking about anybody in this thread saying that. If you go back and look at the previous threads there were many poster saying the 99% number. Do your research and stop cussing at me like an idiot.
 
Cippy91 said:
So dviss made a post based off one persons comment? Damn, he’s getting that upset? I see your point. It’s not difficult to see. You’re just saying when they sign up they are most likely looking to help and do well but along the job shit happens and they either continue to try and help or turn into the villain power tripping cop or just overall scumbag. Yeah that’s not hard to understand but of course dviss would be the one to over react and make a post about it. I bet dviss would also tell you he’s never made a bad call as a ref in his life meanwhile criticizing cops for every bad judgement of theirs when their actual life is on the line not just a few parents from the bleachers yelling at you
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You're really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You use conjecture as your form of debate and it really isn't serving you well. This is a number that has been used on the news the media and everything. I'm just getting tired of people saying that most cops are good when I don't really believe that. I've had two cops treat me well in my lifetime. The others have treated me like shit. I know many people that I've had horrible run-ins with police. I'm also speaking as someone who has two police officers in his family.
 
dviss1 said:
You're really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You use conjecture as your form of debate and it really isn't serving you well. This is a number that has been used on the news the media and everything. I'm just getting tired of people saying that most cops are good when I don't really believe that. I've had two cops treat me well in my lifetime. The others have treated me like shit. I know many people that I've had horrible run-ins with police. I'm also speaking as someone who has two police officers in his family.
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Anecdotal evidence here it comes.... My wife's dad was a cop and he's the biggest scumbag piece of shit you'll ever meet. Bragged about planting stuff on people
 
dviss1 said:
You're really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You use conjecture as your form of debate and it really isn't serving you well. This is a number that has been used on the news the media and everything. I'm just getting tired of people saying that most cops are good when I don't really believe that. I've had two cops treat me well in my lifetime. The others have treated me like shit. I know many people that I've had horrible run-ins with police. I'm also speaking as someone who has two police officers in his family.
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I am calm. Never seen this number used, all I ever see on the news is them shit on cops. Like others have said in here that also can be used with your run ins with cops, some are good, some are bad. Simple. I have been pulled over three times in my life. One was a bad cop, one was a really good cop, the other was just doing his job.
 
dviss1 said:
You're really don't know what the fuck you're talking about. You use conjecture as your form of debate and it really isn't serving you well. This is a number that has been used on the news the media and everything. I'm just getting tired of people saying that most cops are good when I don't really believe that. I've had two cops treat me well in my lifetime. The others have treated me like shit. I know many people that I've had horrible run-ins with police. I'm also speaking as someone who has two police officers in his family.
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And to this my point and why I bring race into it. Because There is no way I can have an understanding of D's viewpoint of cops because there is still a race factor (WHY THE FUCK!!!":???) in this country and Blacks are still treated and scouted differently in many parts of this nation. Some of that is due to those individuals putting themselves in bad situations, but then there are people who may be with them but aren't bad that get lumped in. That doesn't happen to whites. So there is no way we can say D is wrong in his summation of cops. Its his perspective. Something we have never experienced.
I posted two stories about run ins with cops, but I have had MANY more and all of them good.
I was a member of the Oregon State Explorers Program in high school and was a highly sought recruit because of my height. But I dropped out because of my love of music and pot. ;)
Anyhow, I was a typical white male and they loved me. And thus, my interactions led me to believe 99% of cops are good. I am no more right or wrong than D, because of his interactions that has formed his perception.
Though I still disagree with him :evilfire:, we are closer to being on the same page than not.:smiley-beerchug:
 
Good cops need to be valued members of a community...sometimes you can go introduce yourself to the local cops..let them know who you are...connect..that's what makes them work with people instead of guess work....where I live, there's a great neighborhood outreach program
 
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First off, by saying the job isn’t as dangerous as some suggest isn’t saying that it’s not still a commendable job if done correctly and that those numbers might be drastically higher without the protocols they have in place.

I have been assaulted at two jobs. Onc as a bouncer (duh) and once as a waiter, a junkie snuck into the bathroom and when I went to ask him to leave he lunged at me with a syringe.

But aside from that, working in a Lab can be dangerous, I’ve worked with ricin, radioactive material and a bunch else. And in wineries every year there are deaths from CO2, forklift and falling barrels/rack or electrocution. Just cause you aren’t attacked doesn’t mean the job is safe.
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I don’t recall saying that being a cop is the only dangerous job.
 
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