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crandc said:
MarAzul's letter might make a better impression if he knew English grammar and punctuation, history, theology, or political science. Oh yes, and linguistics.

And the First Amendment. You know, establishment of a religion? If only a "Church" (which should not be capitalized in this context) can issue a marriage license, then only Christians can marry, as people of other faiths or no faith do not attend "church".

Must be hard being a dinosaur, knowing extinction is just around the corner. Unlike true dinosaurs, no chance of evolving.
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You may have a total intollerance for anyone who disagrees with you, but I respect his POV as I do yours.
 
MARIS for the win. A rare thing!

:cheers:
 
crandc said:
MarAzul's letter might make a better impression if he knew English grammar and punctuation, history, theology, or political science. Oh yes, and linguistics.

And the First Amendment. You know, establishment of a religion? If only a "Church" (which should not be capitalized in this context) can issue a marriage license, then only Christians can marry, as people of other faiths or no faith do not attend "church".

Must be hard being a dinosaur, knowing extinction is just around the corner. Unlike true dinosaurs, no chance of evolving.
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I believe the Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhist all have the concept of marriage well in hand for the people that follow those practices. I should think I need not explain to you that a Rabbi for Jew will fill the role just as well and a priest or minister does for a Christian.

I guess gays would need to invent and institution to fill the role, since the State is a poor substituted to let them ease through void. I wonder what that institution structure would look like?

It will be interesting to see how these marriages shake out, marriages of convenience for the best tax break. I wonder how often they will need to change spouses to get the best tax situation?

Oh well, I suppose the legislators will just eliminate all that differentiation in the code since it will no long be in place to promote families. Just Jack and Johnny joining up to get the tax break
Lizzy and Fanny joining in too, for this year. That won't due, it doesn't make any sense.
 
MARIS61 said:
You should read up a bit. Seems you only know about the "Christian" definition of marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#History_of_marriage

People were gettin" hitched long before Christianity was born. Pagans even. :devilwink:

My wife and I (both atheists) are celebrating our 37th anniversary in September. I've never seen a happier or stronger marriage than ours. Superlatives fail to accurately express my good fortune. :cheers:

I've known people who never found love, not even for a short time, and it's the saddest thing on Earth. To feel threatened by other people finding someone to share their life with and give their life meaning seems like the silliest fear imaginable. :sigh:

C'mon MarAzul, you've got bigger fish to fry. Sweden is considering raising their minimum wage to over $24.00 an hour! :tsktsk:
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Good article. Did you see this part;

"In contemporary English common law, a marriage is a voluntary contract by a man and a woman"

I didn't see any where in the article nor in writing associated with any religion that contradicts the idea that marriage involves anyone other than a "Man and a Woman".

In the past, more than a hundred years ago, the Catholic church did perform "Unions" between same sex couples but it was not called Marriage You can look it up, I think it was during
the late Roman Empire.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
I would think he'd have recused himself.
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Why?

Would you also say only a white judge can rule on civil rights?
Only a male judge on women's rights?
Only a rich judge on workplace issues?
Only an able bodied judge on disability?

Crap, pretty soon there'd be no qualified judges left.
 
crandc said:
Why?

Would you also say only a white judge can rule on civil rights?
Only a male judge on women's rights?
Only a rich judge on workplace issues?
Only an able bodied judge on disability?

Crap, pretty soon there'd be no qualified judges left.
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As for MarAzul, aside from everything else he clearly does not even watch TV news. Watch the couples lining up for hours to marry a partner of 20, 30, 50 years. Marriage of convenience for taxes? Yeah, that's why they are crying with joy, because of taxes. Sure.

I fail to see why I should "respect" a POV that I am an inferior human being without the rights others take for granted, "explained" by a semi literate who assumed I was male and told me I should know what do with my supposed dick.

Oops - meant to edit and quoted myself instead - sorry - point still holds.
 
Interestingly enough, the judge who overturned Prop. 8 in California was also a homosexual (but did not make that known until after he made his decision). He retired from the bench into private practice about a month after making his ruling. :MARIS61:
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Interestingly enough, the judge who overturned Prop. 8 in California was also a homosexual (but did not make that known until after he made his decision). He retired from the bench into private practice about a month after making his ruling. :MARIS61:
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Who needs elections when we can just have unelected judges make all of the decisions for us?
 
MarAzul said:
Good article. Did you see this part;

"In contemporary English common law, a marriage is a voluntary contract by a man and a woman" .
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Perhaps you'd be happier in England?
 
Let's see, we are near a system failure. The people vote, Marriage is defined as a "Man and Woman. Then we have a lesbian Attorney General fail to preform her duty and defend the will of the people before
a Gay Judge. The peoples law is overturned by default! That is pretty fucked up abuse of the system.
 
Anyone who thinks it "cheapens" their marriage? They have a shitty marriage.
 
MARIS61 said:
Perhaps you'd be happier in England?
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Oh Come on Maris! You put that article out there and it affirms Marriage is between a man and woman! Happier in England?
Is that all you've got?
 
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3RA1N1AC said:
Maybe Brunei?
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I was in Brunei once. Took some civilians out of there under the watchful eye of a six shooter standing by off shore, with fire control tracking
a back pack carburetor. A .45 at the hip is good, six five inch at ready call is even better.
 
MarAzul said:
I was in Brunei once. Took some civilians out of there under the watchful eye of a six shooter standing by off shore, with fire control tracking
a back pack carburetor. A .45 at the hip is good, six five inch at ready call is even better.
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My boner is so hard right now

Don't ask don't tell
 
Props to everyone so definitive in their answers/opinions.

I'm still trying to figure out if marriage is a legal thing, a religious thing, or a mixture of both. And how you can operate them separately. I know all of the arguments, but it's the mere exercise of processing all of my thoughts through my head and arriving at a conscious set of thoughts or beliefs that I have yet to do. So I don't have any answers and beliefs because I'm okay with the religious meaning of marriage, and I'm okay with defining legal marriage separately. I love my gay friends and family, and hope they get everything out of life that they so choose. Ultimately, I do not care to make any decisions for anyone but myself.

But I do know one thing: love is love.
 
We should just get rid of marriage completely, maaaan.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Props to everyone so definitive in their answers/opinions.

I'm still trying to figure out if marriage is a legal thing, a religious thing, or a mixture of both. And how you can operate them separately. I know all of the arguments, but it's the mere exercise of processing all of my thoughts through my head and arriving at a conscious set of thoughts or beliefs that I have yet to do. So I don't have any answers and beliefs because I'm okay with the religious meaning of marriage, and I'm okay with defining legal marriage separately. I love my gay friends and family, and hope they get everything out of life that they so choose. Ultimately, I do not care to make any decisions for anyone but myself.

But I do know one thing: love is love.
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Right on Blazin! There is the religious and the civil definition, No sense in changing the traditional
definitions when allowing civil Unions would handle the legal and not harm the religious (or at least their can get over it). However, it appears the Gay community is not happy with this answer, they want to change the meaning of Marriage and to hell with anyone else and their beliefs. Most Christians and other religious people do not have civil marriages because they want the sanctification in their religion. It doesn't appear the Gays care one little bit about this aspect of the meaning of the word, as they would abolish that meaning.
 
I am also in favor of the state getting out of the marriage license game, just a cheap money grab. Do away with all tax breaks for marriage too. Then everyone can get married to whomever they want and it won't fucking matter at all to anyone ever.
 
Yeah. Just have marriage be some random ass title that don't mean shit. Ain't no one needed to be married and get all these tax breaks and shit. fuck that son. And tax breaks to have kids.
 
MarAzul said:
, No sense in changing the traditional definitions when allowing civil Unions would handle the legal and not harm the religious
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Civil Unions are currently not equal to marriages in the legal sense. They afford different rights. It also because a "separate but equal" issue even if you had two words for it.
 
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