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blue9 said:
Okay, but my statement isn't just about him vs Jose. There are a lot of PGs who can score like Lillard. Yes - he shoots well from 3 (not as well as Jose!), particularly in clutch situations. I've already said that he excels in this one area. But aside from that, he isn't head of the class in any other facet of the game. Hence my assertion that he's a mid-pack PG until the 4th quarter.
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Calderon is shooting a better percentage from three, but Dame has attempted about 40 more threes than Jose. I doubt Calderon shoots near 47% from deep for the year. That will most definitely come down.

He might not be head of the class, but he's only just starting his second year. Guys like Curry weren't head of their class at this point either. I'd put him in the same group as John Wall, Ty Lawson, Irving, Holiday, etc.

There are a lot of young stud point guards in the league right now, and I'm just happy that we have one of them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
He might not be head of the class, but he's only just starting his second year. Guys like Curry weren't head of their class at this point either. I'd put him in the same group as John Wall, Ty Lawson, Irving, Holiday, etc.

There are a lot of young stud point guards in the league right now, and I'm just happy that we have one of them.
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So what're we arguing about? Sounds like we agree.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well, you said that Calderon could do everything as good or better than Dame, so I had to prove you wrong :grin:
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Oh. Okay. There may have been SOME hyperbole in the statement regarding Lillard/Calderon (though not much!). But after typing the names Wall, Lawson, Irving, Holiday, you can see how it's not a far-fetched idea to suggest that Lillard is mid-pack for a starting PG.
 
blue9 said:
Oh. Okay. There may have been SOME hyperbole in the statement regarding Lillard/Calderon (though not much!). But after typing the names Wall, Lawson, Irving, Holiday, you can see how it's not a far-fetched idea to suggest that Lillard is mid-pack for a starting PG.
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There are definitely a lot of talented point guards right now, so being middle of the pack isn't necessarily a bad thing. What I look at is that we currently have two players in the top 20 in scoring, and when Dame gets his shooting percentage up, that should really help separate him from the pack.

I do admit, I was hoping he'd increase his assists this year. We have more scorers, so I thought he'd average around 8 assists per game, but his assists have gone down. I think part of this can be attributed to Nic handling the ball so much, but I was still hoping to see Dame pass a bit more.
 
blue9 said:
Oh. Okay. There may have been SOME hyperbole in the statement regarding Lillard/Calderon (though not much!). But after typing the names Wall, Lawson, Irving, Holiday, you can see how it's not a far-fetched idea to suggest that Lillard is mid-pack for a starting PG.
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Well, there's no doubt that there are a lot of good to great young PGs in the league right now. Frankly, I think the fascination that some people seem to have with having to rank them is pretty silly. Damian Lillard is more than good enough to be the franchise cornerstone at the PG position for years to come. He's good enough to be an All Star this season, regardless of whether he makes that list because of the number of other good PGs in the West or not. He's good enough to be one of the top 3 players on a team that can contend for a title. In short, he's a damn good player and the Blazers are lucky to have him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There are definitely a lot of talented point guards right now, so being middle of the pack isn't necessarily a bad thing. What I look at is that we currently have two players in the top 20 in scoring, and when Dame gets his shooting percentage up, that should really help separate him from the pack.

I do admit, I was hoping he'd increase his assists this year. We have more scorers, so I thought he'd average around 8 assists per game, but his assists have gone down. I think part of this can be attributed to Nic handling the ball so much, but I was still hoping to see Dame pass a bit more.
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Dame gets a lot of hockey assists because of Batum.
 
e_blazer said:
Well, there's no doubt that there are a lot of good to great young PGs in the league right now. Frankly, I think the fascination that some people seem to have with having to rank them is pretty silly. Damian Lillard is more than good enough to be the franchise cornerstone at the PG position for years to come. He's good enough to be an All Star this season, regardless of whether he makes that list because of the number of other good PGs in the West or not. He's good enough to be one of the top 3 players on a team that can contend for a title. In short, he's a damn good player and the Blazers are lucky to have him.
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Agreed. And his numbers are coming up.

20.8 ppg
19.9 PER
40.7% FG

He had fallen under 40% on his FG for a while, but now he's almost at 41%. That's good.

His PER is almost at 20, which is good.

He's almost averaging 21 PPG. That's impressive.

He's still only around 5.7 assists though. I'd really like to see that come up a bit. At least to what he averaged last year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Agreed. And his numbers are coming up.

20.8 ppg
19.9 PER
40.7% FG

He had fallen under 40% on his FG for a while, but now he's almost at 41%. That's good.

His PER is almost at 20, which is good.

He's almost averaging 21 PPG. That's impressive.

He's still only around 5.7 assists though. I'd really like to see that come up a bit. At least to what he averaged last year.
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http://bkref.com/tiny/3tRSa

They are different kinds of point guard, but I'm impressed with Lillard's overall efficiency this year.
 
Natebishop3 said:
There are definitely a lot of talented point guards right now, so being middle of the pack isn't necessarily a bad thing. What I look at is that we currently have two players in the top 20 in scoring, and when Dame gets his shooting percentage up, that should really help separate him from the pack.

I do admit, I was hoping he'd increase his assists this year. We have more scorers, so I thought he'd average around 8 assists per game, but his assists have gone down. I think part of this can be attributed to Nic handling the ball so much, but I was still hoping to see Dame pass a bit more.
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First off, I don't disagree that Lillard can be a cornerstone on a contender. I'm not disparaging him. But I am a little disappointed with him so far this season - I expected more. I haven't really noticed any appreciable improvement. He's getting to the line more, so there's improved effort in that area but I don't see improved skills. If he never improves he's still QUITE good.
While it's nice to have two guys in the Top 20 of PPG, it shouldn't be that surprising since (after tonight) they're both in the Top 10 for FGA - LMA at #1 and Lillard sitting at #11, but only 1 shot behind Rudy Gay. But they both fall 7 spots from where they rank on the FGA list to the PPG list.
And while it's true that Nic is initiating more offense than in the past, there are still more than enough opportunities for Lillard to increase his APG average. But I never thought passing was his strong suit - he's adequate, but not great. I hope as the season - and his career - progresses, we see dramatic improvement in his passing and defense. If both of those occur THEN he'll be great.
 
Another interesting and perplexing stat of Damian's is that his field goal percentage in wins is 39% and in losses it's 46%.
 
I'm curious what's up with Lillard's shooting? It's been pretty inconsistent.
 
The stat, interestingly, is similar to the stats for Magic Johnson, although of course with a smaller sample size. When everyone played like shit and only Magic could hit shots, they usually lost. When everyone scored, he did as well but also was more of a distributor.
 
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