Rumor "A leftist mob 'polices' Portland"

[barfo]

Wheeler is just following Brown's lead and deliberately inciting and feeding violence to create a political atmosphere of anarchy desired by the DNC and it's Genuine Nazi owner George Soros, and it's fully in her power and her executive responsibility/duty to send in the OSP and/or National Guard troops to keep the peace when the Mayor refuses to do his job or is too incompetent to do it.

Both of them have already manipulated otherwise law-abiding citizens to kill, and to be killed. They are a stain on humanity.

Fascinating! Don't hold back, we want - nay, need! - to hear all about it.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

I'll wait to see the evidence that you no doubt can produce.

barfo

http://www.victoriataft.com/police-...ds-leo-stratton-who-reported-on-terror-group/
https://www.projectveritas.com/2018...ists-from-inside-cant-get-fired-leaks-at-hhs/
https://ilovemyfreedom.org/breaking-antifa-thugs-are-officially-under-investigation/
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...ts/2015/12/16/dos-hrr_2008_czech-republic.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/...ening-boston-free-speech-rally-attendees-2017

 

[barfo]

http://www.victoriataft.com/police-...ds-leo-stratton-who-reported-on-terror-group/
https://www.projectveritas.com/2018...ists-from-inside-cant-get-fired-leaks-at-hhs/
https://ilovemyfreedom.org/breaking-antifa-thugs-are-officially-under-investigation/
https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...ts/2015/12/16/dos-hrr_2008_czech-republic.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/usao-ma/pr/...ening-boston-free-speech-rally-attendees-2017

Your reading list is certainly interesting, I'll give you that.

What does the human rights report on the Czech Republic have to do with antifa?

barfo

 

[Lanny]

They actually lived in the Grant area as I went to school with Jim Ivancie who was Frank Ivancies son.

My younger brother-in-law was a good friend and a classmate of one of his sons. My brother-in-law lived in the laurelhurst neighborhood so I assumed Ivancie did too.

 

[Lanny]

Your reading list is certainly interesting, I'll give you that.

What does the human rights report on the Czech Republic have to do with antifa?

barfo

None of it credibly related to Portland.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Reed, Sellwood, Laurelhurst are all in the city limits and on the East side. Don't you know anything about Portland? Those are the ones I listed on the East side. What were you thinking?

Mayor Ivancie of Portland years ago was from the Laurelhurst neighborhood.

You are right, I thought Reed and Sellwood was part of Milwaukie.

At any rate, I've already taken some pictures and will take more this weekend and post them for you to see what you seem to be missing.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What do you suggest that Wheeler do other than wave his magic wand.

Umm enforce the laws already in place for starters? No permit? Then no protest.
hit a car with your fist or a stick and get arrested for vandalism. Simple as that.


I would start by having him enforce the laws. I think that would bea GREAT start.

You did watch the video of the car that a guy hit with a stick and then the camera panned to a cop on a bike down the street right?

He was sitting right there and doing nothing.

Yeah. Enforce the laws and take our streets back.

I don't think that requires magic. I think it requires diligence.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Canby

That was funny.

 

[barfo]

Umm enforce the laws already in place for starters? No permit? Then no protest.
hit a car with your fist or a stick and get arrested for vandalism. Simple as that.


I would start by having him enforce the laws. I think that would bea GREAT start.

You did watch the video of the car that a guy hit with a stick and then the camera panned to a cop on a bike down the street right?

He was sitting right there and doing nothing.

Yeah. Enforce the laws and take our streets back.

I don't think that requires magic. I think it requires diligence.

I don't know. It's true that in this specific case, there wasn't a police response, but in general there has been a very heavy police presence during the protests downtown.
Cops can't be everywhere instantly, and it's possible (I don't know the specifics) that they simply hadn't arrived on the scene in sufficient numbers yet. One cop isn't sufficient to take on a large group.

I've seen many dozens of cops deployed in a relatively small area for these events, and there have been lots of arrests, so I don't buy that the laws aren't being enforced generally.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

I don't know. It's true that in this specific case, there wasn't a police response, but in general there has been a very heavy police presence during the protests downtown.
Cops can't be everywhere instantly, and it's possible (I don't know the specifics) that they simply hadn't arrived on the scene in sufficient numbers yet. One cop isn't sufficient to take on a large group.

I've seen many dozens of cops deployed in a relatively small area for these events, and there have been lots of arrests, so I don't buy that the laws aren't being enforced generally.

barfo

Police presence doesn't mean law enforcement. It merely means presence. They were present in the video i am referencing as well.

when one cop isn't sufficient, his instructions are to sit on his bike and watch? Not make a radio call? Not start warding off traffic from the scene? SO your idea of law enforcement is to have them present and ignore the violations, without one single act to help protect the innocent or call in for backup?
How about when they forced Meyers to sit in traffic on the way to a game? who can he send a bill to for his time lost?

The act of defending these criminals with the excuses I've heard are just pathetic.

Break the law, and get arrested. Simple as that. IF it isn't that simple.. .well there is video evidence to hunt them down.

Also, you would think by past experience that there would be enough enforcement for whatever gathering happens. are we not learning our lessons?


Sorry I have a pretty hard stance on this. A wrong is a wrong and when it affects another, the wrongdoer should be punished. Period.

 

[barfo]

Police presence doesn't mean law enforcement. It merely means presence. They were present in the video i am referencing as well.

when one cop isn't sufficient, his instructions are to sit on his bike and watch? Not make a radio call?

How do you know he hadn't already made the call and was waiting for backup to arrive?

Not start warding off traffic from the scene?

Maybe someone else was already setting up to do that down the block. It's hard to know from the video what might be happening elsewhere.

SO your idea of law enforcement is to have them present and ignore the violations, without one single act to help protect the innocent or call in for backup?

No, I am just not convinced that's what was happening - it certainly isn't what happened at numerous other protests downtown.

How about when they forced Meyers to sit in traffic on the way to a game? who can he send a bill to for his time lost?

I am unaware of that incident, but it sounds like the blazers owe whoever blocked traffic some money, or at least thanks.

The act of defending these criminals with the excuses I've heard are just pathetic.

Break the law, and get arrested. Simple as that.

Also, you would think by past experience that there would be enough enforcement for whatever gathering happens. are we not learning our lessons?


Sorry I have a pretty hard stance on this. A wrong is a wrong and when it affects another, the wrongdoer should be punished. Period.

I don't have any problem with arresting whoever breaks the law. I just disagree with you that that isn't already happening.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

How do you know he hadn't already made the call and was waiting for backup to arrive?



Maybe someone else was already setting up to do that down the block. It's hard to know from the video what might be happening elsewhere.

Its actually pretty easy because the camera person shoots all over and almost does a 180 to se the cop then goes back to the action so you get almost a 360° view of the scene and he is the only cop to be seen a block away.

No, I am just not convinced that's what was happening - it certainly isn't what happened at numerous other protests downtown.

This has actually specifically happened in several protests downtown. Most recently Thursday night I believe?

I am unaware of that incident, but it sounds like the blazers owe whoever blocked traffic some money, or at least thanks.

Now that's funny!

I don't have any problem with arresting whoever breaks the law. I just disagree with you that that isn't already happening.

barfo

I'm not saying no one is getting arrested, I'm saying not nearly enough.

 

[Natebishop3]

I will be shocked, SHOCKED, if I ever see barfo come out against something that a liberal did.

 

[barfo]

I'm not saying no one is getting arrested, I'm saying not nearly enough.

Ok - that may indeed be the case.

Question: what effect does arresting people have? It removes that particular person from the scene that day, but does it quell the protest? Does it reduce the likelihood of that person protesting again? Is it a deterrent? Is it punishment? I'm not suggesting an answer to those questions, but it does seem to me that 'arrest the bad guys' may not solve the whole problem here.

barfo

 

[barfo]

I will be shocked, SHOCKED, if I ever see barfo come out against something that a liberal did.

I am totally against crime downtown, and anyone who violates the law should be arrested, and that certainly includes antifa.

Happy now?

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Ok - that may indeed be the case.

Question: what effect does arresting people have? It removes that particular person from the scene that day, but does it quell the protest? Does it reduce the likelihood of that person protesting again? Is it a deterrent? Is it punishment? I'm not suggesting an answer to those questions, but it does seem to me that 'arrest the bad guys' may not solve the whole problem here.

barfo

Really????

Well first it puts the individual in a database to track habitual offenders; repeat offenders. Keep it up and get a longer sentence.

And yes, pulling them off the street and out of the scene may not solve the whole problem, but just because you cant solve the whole thing doesn't mean you just turn your back. You do what you can when you can and continue to work on solving the rest.

I mean, we haven't been able to solve the mentally ill mass shootings right? SO we should just let them do their thing and turn our back right?

There is SOOO much that can be done with regards to studying behavior of individuals to help better predict when they will act out. Then we can get ahead of the game and have police presence at an earlier stage of the game.

There is a lot you can do.. just have to keep thinking of solutions instead of giving up and letting them run rampant.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am totally against crime downtown, and anyone who violates the law should be arrested, and that certainly includes antifa.

Happy now?

barfo

Hmmmmm..... this feels like a trap. Were you crossing your fingers?

 

[barfo]

Really????

Well first it puts the individual in a database to track habitual offenders; repeat offenders. Keep it up and get a longer sentence.

Good point.

And yes, pulling them off the street and out of the scene may not solve the whole problem, but just because you cant solve the whole thing doesn't mean you just turn your back. You do what you can when you can and continue to work on solving the rest.

Agreed - but if you can't do everything you should do what will have the biggest impact first, right? Maybe that isn't arresting the maximum number of people (since arrests take police off of crowd control, for example). Maybe it is, I'm no expert on police tactics.

I mean, we haven't been able to solve the mentally ill mass shootings right? SO we should just let them do their thing and turn our back right?

There is SOOO much that can be done with regards to studying behavior of individuals to help better predict when they will act out. Then we can get ahead of the game and have police presence at an earlier stage of the game.

There is a lot you can do.. just have to keep thinking of solutions instead of giving up and letting them run rampant.

Agreed, that's exactly the sort of thing I was suggesting. I think we are in agreement here and we can cancel meeting up at Mt. Tabor for now.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Hmmmmm..... this feels like a trap. Were you crossing your fingers?

Lol. Come on now. I took it as sincere.

But im a fool.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Good point.



Agreed - but if you can't do everything you should do what will have the biggest impact first, right? Maybe that isn't arresting the maximum number of people (since arrests take police off of crowd control, for example). Maybe it is, I'm no expert on police tactics.



Agreed, that's exactly the sort of thing I was suggesting. I think we are in agreement here and we can cancel meeting up at Mt. Tabor for now.

barfo

Lol. Bullshit. I already paid for my reservation. you better show!!!!

 

[H.C.]

I am totally against crime downtown, and anyone who violates the law should be arrested, and that certainly includes antifa.

Happy now?

barfo

So you're against Antifa 'policing the streets' because PPD allows the 'proud boys' into the city?
I won't post the direct quote from one of the 'resistance' leaders but he did say something very similar to.
Antifa polices the city because elected officials allowed the 'proud boys' into Portland.

This 'resistance leader' has a future as a spin doctor for Trump.

 

[barfo]

So you're against Antifa 'policing the streets' because PPD allows the 'proud boys' into the city?

Yes. I would favor other methods of dealing with the Proud Boys. Maybe Saudi Arabia can help.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

So you're against Antifa 'policing the streets' because PPD allows the 'proud boys' into the city?
I won't post the direct quote from one of the 'resistance' leaders but he did say something very similar to.
Antifa polices the city because elected officials allowed the 'proud boys' into Portland.

This 'resistance leader' has a future as a spin doctor for Trump.

This post is extremely confusing.

Are you saying the Antifa resistance leader has a future as a spin doctor for Trump?

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes. I would favor other methods of dealing with the Proud Boys. Maybe Saudi Arabia can help.

barfo

Can't we just publicly mock their name?

 

[jlprk]

Believe it or not, there is more than one morality value system in the world. It has been long known that downtowns are different from the boring, conservative suburbs with their tracts of identical cookie-cutter houses.

What would happen if gangs of downtown inhabitants invaded suburbs (trained to start arguments and hope the other guy does something illegal) and demanded that suburbanites become like downtowners?

Which side would you be on then?

 

[barfo]

Can't we just publicly mock their name?

That is definitely called for. I read last night that the name stems from a song in Aladdin, wherein the 'proud boy' is apologizing to his mother.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

That is definitely called for. I read last night that the name stems from a song in Aladdin, wherein the 'proud boy' is apologizing to his mother.

barfo

I think we should make a Loud Boys dance crew. Wear sequin jumpsuits and do some horrible dancing down at the protests.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Believe it or not, there is more than one morality value system in the world. It has been long known that downtowns are different from the boring, conservative suburbs with their tracts of identical cookie-cutter houses.

What would happen if gangs of downtown inhabitants invaded suburbs (trained to start arguments and hope the other guy does something illegal) and demanded that suburbanites become like downtowners?

Which side would you be on then?

I would be on Weeds side.

 

[jlprk]

I would be on Weeds side.

Sorry, I'm old and dense. Which side is that? The outside agitators, or the guys defending their home territory?

I'm not from Portland, but one thing I notice is...the suburbanite agitators invade downtown, while the justification given (on this board and elsewhere) is tent cities which are miles from downtown.

The sites selected for battle are out of synch with the propaganda.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Sorry, I'm old and dense. Which side is that? The outside agitators, or the guys defending their home territory?

I'm not from Portland, but one thing I notice is...the suburbanite agitators invade downtown, while the justification given (on this board and elsewhere) is tent cities which are miles from downtown.

The sites selected for battle are out of synch with the propaganda.

Lol, the song you linked is the theme song to the tv show Weeds.