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I was having a conversation with friends tonight and eventually we ended up talking about the way we see the world. basically, every time I close my eyes I have hallucinations. no one else could relate to it. I am a fairly normal person, but since I was a child, every time I close my eyes I can make crazy colors turn into fully realized shapes and images. I am talking about very real sights and sounds. Does anybody else get that? My friends didn't understand. And since I have shared art and music recently here, most of that is derived from that state.
 
You're an artist. Most people need a psychedelic trip to experience it. Such a trip yields up creativity in everything, not just shapes and letters moving in front of you, such as creative logic, radical new ideas, etc.

Some people have a genius for something, and you're lucky to have yours. For a brief moment in American history, approximately the Nixon-Ford era, a few brave souls in the media talked about such things, but then the police state tightened its grip and purged them.
 
I think it depends on how realistic they are. I think everyone sees colors when you close your eyes, but thats just shape retention from what you just saw.

Are you talking about seeing things as you do in real life?
 
do you associate specific numbers with specific colors?
 
i saw an Unsolved Mysteries decades ago where a lady associated names with colors. As in "who was Jane's boyfriend? I remember he had a "blue" name." Haven't heard of it since, but that's what just jumped into my head.
 
I think it depends on how realistic they are. I think everyone sees colors when you close your eyes, but thats just shape retention from what you just saw.

Are you talking about seeing things as you do in real life?

yes, I see things as real as real life. But more colorful and vibrant and changing. sometimes I will just let it happen for 30 minutes or so. It is kind of like dreaming while bring awake.
 
do you associate specific numbers with specific colors?

No...that would be fun though. I believe you are talking about synesthesia. Pretty neat subject to read about. I do connect colors with feelings in a way I can't explain to anyone. In dreams and waking life, I am deeply and emotionally touched by colors. My emotions will change in real time as the shade of a color changes. Hard to explain though...
 
There is a continuum called trace memory, some have it more or less than others, I am one of the rare ones with zero trace memory. If I said to you to picture a banana, or picture your moms face, you can assemble in your mind, some sort of image that represents this.

Some I have talked to, with advanced abilities, can take those images and cut them into puzzle pieces, mix them all up and bring them back together. Others just can get an outline of an image or see everything in reds or some specific color palette. Everyone is different, but for me I have zero trace memory.

My mind compensates by remembering things in alternate ways, with phrases, geometry and a very strong short term memory. I actually found this out while I was in high school and my parents sent me to a shrink (everyone in the family was going, we are odd) and I would ask the shrink to do certain things with me like the Rorschach test, and one day I asked to be hypnotized. For the next several sessions I would lie down and the therapist would guide me through a routine that he had used many times in the past to hypnotize, but it did not work on me. So we started talking about why that type of hypnosis does not work on me, and I would said I always thought it was odd that people would use terms like "picture yourself" going down a staircase, or something like that. And basically we realized that I had never pictured anything accept when dreaming. The hypnosis worked very well on other people, and because I laid awake during the whole session, I learned how to hypnotize, and I was successful at hypnotizing about 20 people before I got bored with it.

Anyway, we often believe that those around us think and view the world in the same fashion that we do, but truth is there is quite a bit of variability between individuals.
 
i used to press against my closed eyes when i was bored, all of the sudden there would be swirling geometric kaleidoscopic explosions spiraling into infinity

sometimes i close my eyes and imagine dominoes very vividly, starting at double 6s and working my way down to zero, it relaxes me

and i fully form short stories in my head by imagining them as a film, starting from the title credits

the mind is a hellava drug
 
do you associate specific numbers with specific colors?

I'm not the only one who does this?!? Red = 3, green = 7, yellow is 2, blue is 8, purple is 4 and orange is 6. I've never admitted this outloud because it's so strange.

I am also able to see images and colors when I'm creating in my mind before putting it on canvas. For me I think it's more of an ability to relax and get the negative self talk out of my head.
 
No...that would be fun though. I believe you are talking about synesthesia. Pretty neat subject to read about. I do connect colors with feelings in a way I can't explain to anyone. In dreams and waking life, I am deeply and emotionally touched by colors. My emotions will change in real time as the shade of a color changes. Hard to explain though...

I know exactly what you mean... music has a strong affect on my mood depending on the style.
 
Noted and stored . . . to hopefully be used in the future.

If you come tonight, I have a something for you. :)

Hah, I thought only the "fellas" were invited and have to work late. Also, you keep offering that same something and I do give you points for persistence... :cheers:
 
Hah, I thought only the "fellas" were invited and have to work late. Also, you keep offering that same something and I do give you points for persistence... :cheers:

So you aren't coming :(





Can you send your hot representative Angie? I'll give it to her . . .
 
There is a continuum called trace memory, some have it more or less than others, I am one of the rare ones with zero trace memory. If I said to you to picture a banana, or picture your moms face, you can assemble in your mind, some sort of image that represents this.

Some I have talked to, with advanced abilities, can take those images and cut them into puzzle pieces, mix them all up and bring them back together. Others just can get an outline of an image or see everything in reds or some specific color palette. Everyone is different, but for me I have zero trace memory.

My mind compensates by remembering things in alternate ways, with phrases, geometry and a very strong short term memory. I actually found this out while I was in high school and my parents sent me to a shrink (everyone in the family was going, we are odd) and I would ask the shrink to do certain things with me like the Rorschach test, and one day I asked to be hypnotized. For the next several sessions I would lie down and the therapist would guide me through a routine that he had used many times in the past to hypnotize, but it did not work on me. So we started talking about why that type of hypnosis does not work on me, and I would said I always thought it was odd that people would use terms like "picture yourself" going down a staircase, or something like that. And basically we realized that I had never pictured anything accept when dreaming. The hypnosis worked very well on other people, and because I laid awake during the whole session, I learned how to hypnotize, and I was successful at hypnotizing about 20 people before I got bored with it.

Anyway, we often believe that those around us think and view the world in the same fashion that we do, but truth is there is quite a bit of variability between individuals.
Thanks for sharing. I really do think that everyone views the world differently in small and large ways. It sounds like the two of us are just on opposite sides of the Visualization spectrum. Kind of neat to think about!
 
I'm not the only one who does this?!? Red = 3, green = 7, yellow is 2, blue is 8, purple is 4 and orange is 6. I've never admitted this outloud because it's so strange.

I am also able to see images and colors when I'm creating in my mind before putting it on canvas. For me I think it's more of an ability to relax and get the negative self talk out of my head.

It sounds like you might have some form of synesthesia. There are several forms depending on which senses are switched or effected by eachother. If you have a minute, you should read a little aboutAlexander Scriabin. Pretty damned interesting, especially his mystic chord and his unrealized work called mysterium, which was supposed to ring in the apocalypse...strange man...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Scriabin#section_2
 
Thanks for sharing. I really do think that everyone views the world differently in small and large ways. It sounds like the two of us are just on opposite sides of the Visualization spectrum. Kind of neat to think about!

Yes, it’s interesting, but it really does not affect creativity. Sure, I am a very poor artist in the 2-dimenional area, like painting, drawing..., but in 3-D, with geometry as the foundation, I am actually pretty decent. Clay and wood speak well for me. Also, I have designed tattoos that adorn large swaths of the skin of friends, not from art, but from doodles, which are really just interesting composition of geometric designs. However, I can't draw something as simple as a shot glass and have it look at all "correct". Also, even though I can't produce the paintings and 2-D works, I love looking at them and derive great pleasure from art.

It took me some time to actually give up on wanting to visualize. I did many activities my shrink told me to try, in order to see if I could develop trace memory. I was never successful. I also used a fair amount of hallucinogens when I was younger, mainly because the visualizations were unimaginable.
I have come to love the fact that how I perceive the world is different than you, or anybody. I have come to love the fact that everyone actually has a unique perspective. That perspective in not just derived from their point of view in life (nurture), but also by brain chemistry and DNA (nature).

An interesting thing to think about is how our unique traits would benefit or harm us at different ages in mankind. Would your visualization skills have made you a better hunter when we were living in caves? Could it have hurt? What about during the Enlightenment? What about tomorrow? Perhaps I’m just weird, but I like to think about these things.
 
yes, I see things as real as real life. But more colorful and vibrant and changing. sometimes I will just let it happen for 30 minutes or so. It is kind of like dreaming while bring awake.

Is anyone else jealous? You're a lucky person, HP.
 
Is anyone else jealous?

A competent and self-confident person is incapable of jealousy in anything. Jealousy is invariably a symptom of neurotic insecurity.

Robert A. Heinlein
 

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