A Tale of Two Damians

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Rastapopoulos said:
He has seemed a bit subdued recently. And we are getting KILLED by every half-decent PG. Although, to be fair, it's not always him guarding them. And Batum is not helping by just not shooting anything except threes any more.

(On that point: more Gee, please - he seems pretty good at bothering opposing PGs.)
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I bolded the part that is constantly happening... Sucks.
 
Dame's defense went to shit after Wes went down. Might be the worst defending PG in the game.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Dame's defense went to shit after Wes went down. Might be the worst defending PG in the game.
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I notice He's just so susceptible at getting taken out by a screen. It's like he doesn't know how to avoid them.
 
tester551 said:
I think he is more tired than he thinks. I would attribute a lot of his struggles on his shoe release & effort spent promoting it.
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This. He doesn't seem to have the strength and stamina he had before. And the fact Dwayne Wade creamed him and hurt his back.
 
honkicracker said:
I feel like this thread is a troll thread. Designed to bait someone.
Thank god it was sly and not me.. Although I don't really think he got baited.

Ty sly.
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In my experience, Stevenson doesn't do troll threads, or posts.

It's a valid observation, whether one agrees or not.
 
Doesn't he still the lead the league in 4th quarter points? Seems weird that anyone would say he isn't clutch when he is scoring the most clutch points in the NBA.

Frankly, Dame has developed his game to take it inside more this season. The physical nature of going inside will take away his legs for the clutch 3 that most of you are complaining about. Personally, I would much rather have a multidimensional player that can score from the perimeter and inside than one that is only a perimeter player.
 
If the team defense gets better, it's going to make Lillard look better. He won't spend so much energy if the Blazers ever figure out how to defend a P & R, or P & P efficiently and intelligently. (See Spurs.)

Right now, the help from the big men, and the help from the helper just
SUCKS.
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I'm not worried about Lillard. His confidence is down right now but he'll make adjustments and bounce back with a vengeance.
 
Jordan promoted shoes and made a movie and won 6 championships.
 
I am very happy with how much Dame has improved this year. Night and day at finishing around the basket. Way more spectacular drives that he now makes look easy. Even though his 3 pt shooting percentage is down this year his overall shooting percentage is up. Not that I give a fuck about his advanced stats.

Although he takes a few long 3 pointers that I wish he didn't, I think he is much better at running the offense. No doubt losing so many starters from earlier in the season has hurt his game. Lack of continuity usually does hurt the PG.

Dame and LA are two players I just don't worry about.
 
HomerLovesKoolAid said:
If the team defense gets better, it's going to make Lillard look better. He won't spend so much energy if the Blazers ever figure out how to defend a P & R, or P & P efficiently and intelligently. (See Spurs.)

Right now, the help from the big men, and the help from the helper just
SUCKS.
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I'm not worried about Lillard. His confidence is down right now but he'll make adjustments and bounce back with a vengeance.
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Yup - Stotts' defensive schemes give practically NO help to the perimeter defenders. All opposing teams need to do is set one good screen and then they've got a very good opportunity at an open shot. I don't blame Lillard for opposing PGs putting up 30+ on us with regularity - that's Stotts' fault.
And maybe that's why Lillard doesn't look as engaged on defense anymore - he knows that he can fight around picks all he wants, but without help to cut off the ball it's all wasted energy.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
LOL!

Some of you guys are so funny. So what if he promotes his shoes.

He's not going out.
He's not partying.
No Hoop Families.
He's very connected to the local community.
His parents and brother live here now.
He has gotten more than one HUGE national promotional deal while playing for a small market team.
He donates more time to charities and fans in the Portland area than any other player on the team. He does not do these things to promote his shoes.

He conducts himself, his personal and professional life beyond what anyone should expect or could have ever dreamed.

Every year he has worked hard and improved his game. The focus this last off season was defense, conditioning and nutrition. Season before last was finishing around the basket.

Complaints about him are all over the map,

He doesn't shoot enough.
He shoots too much.
He relies on the 3pt shot too much.
He doesn't hit 3pt shots enough.
He's not clutch as much as he has been.
He doesn't try hard enough.
He refuses to sit out games to rest up.

But more importantly, you don't think he cares? You don't think he's not disappointed? That he doesn't have a drive to do more and better?

Scoring ave up.
Assists up over last season.
Steals up.
Rebounding up.
Defense better.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6606/damian-lillard

Look at the stats yourself.
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SlyPokerDog said:
LOL!

Some of you guys are so funny. So what if he promotes his shoes.

He's not going out.
He's not partying.
No Hoop Families.
He's very connected to the local community.
His parents and brother live here now.
He has gotten more than one HUGE national promotional deal while playing for a small market team.
He donates more time to charities and fans in the Portland area than any other player on the team. He does not do these things to promote his shoes.

He conducts himself, his personal and professional life beyond what anyone should expect or could have ever dreamed.

Every year he has worked hard and improved his game. The focus this last off season was defense, conditioning and nutrition. Season before last was finishing around the basket.

Complaints about him are all over the map,

He doesn't shoot enough.
He shoots too much.
He relies on the 3pt shot too much.
He doesn't hit 3pt shots enough.
He's not clutch as much as he has been.
He doesn't try hard enough.
He refuses to sit out games to rest up.

But more importantly, you don't think he cares? You don't think he's not disappointed? That he doesn't have a drive to do more and better?

Scoring ave up.
Assists up over last season.
Steals up.
Rebounding up.
Defense better.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/6606/damian-lillard

Look at the stats yourself.
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Post of the season! I'm just going to cut and paste this everytime Dame gets bashed here. I'm surprised there's no 4 bar Friday complaints but if shoes are his problem, I blame Casey Holdahl for that.
 
How's he getting bashed? Man that guy is clearly not good right now, his defense is at an all time low, he's semi inefficient, would I trade the guy? Absolutely not but he's progression has halted. That's all we're saying
 
S550 said:
He hasn’t been very clutch this season, even though he’s scored the most 4th quarter points in the league. A lot of that is because he doesn’t do anything in the first half, the Blazers are usually down, and he spends all his energy mounting comebacks in the 2nd half. If that’s gonna be his recipe for playing throughout his career, than Portland fans will have to settle for a good but not great team.

The shoes and commercials have been the difference I think. Too much time away from working on his game. His shot has been garbage for much of the season, but is a volume scorer so he gets his numbers. I thought at this stage of his career, based on what we saw early on, that he’d be a dead eye shooter consistently. Someone like Reggie Miller or Ray Allen. A guy you felt confident every time he hoisted one up. But it’s actually gone the other way. Still a huge fan, but his game often times is frustrating. I wish he’d come out on fire and set a dominant tone from the start. Perhaps then, the Blazers could learn how to play with a lead and finish teams off, instead of this constant cardiac kid comeback mode.
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Well-said. Lillard is Roy redux. He plays at half-speed for three quarters, then tries to be the hero in the fourth. It's maddening, especially when compared to a guy like Westbrook who goes full tilt for an entire game.
 
S550 said:
How's he getting bashed? Man that guy is clearly not good right now, his defense is at an all time low, he's semi inefficient, would I trade the guy? Absolutely not but he's progression has halted. That's all we're saying
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Apparently you missed his rookie season.
 
riverman said:
Apparently you missed his rookie season.
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Nah his rookie year he didn't have this many inconsistencies.. It's just right now fans can't believe what's happened to him that it's hard for them to grasp what has happened to Lillard the savior.

I'm not going to lie I was in denial too up until like last month then it was just too hard to ignore. I can't believe it either. Hopefully in the playoffs the narrative will change to "wow it looks like he turns it on when it counts" but other than that it's been a subpar year for a so called superstar to the point you have to really consider is this guy a max player. Maybe a little slightly less would be fair but no way he should be paid superstar money..
 
S550 said:
How's he getting bashed? Man that guy is clearly not good right now, his defense is at an all time low, he's semi inefficient, would I trade the guy? Absolutely not but he's progression has halted. That's all we're saying
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Excuse me?! You are dead wrong....

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01.html

His points, FG%, Rebounds, Steals, PER, DRB%, AST%, STL%, DWS, WS and Vorp are at a all time high. But hey, don't let the actual stats get in the way of your trolling Mixum.
 
Didn't Felton just have a game winning shot a few games ago? Lillard hasn't had a game winning shot in months. Felton is better than Lillard.
 
Let's look at Dame's shooting from last season to this season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/shooting/2014/ --- 2013/14

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/shooting/2015/ --- 2014/15

From (At the Rim) --- 2013/14 (427 shots): 53%, 2014/15 (385 shots): 64%
From 3 - <10ft --- 2013/14 (160 shots): 28%, 2014/15 (119): 26%
From 10 - <16ft --- 2013/14(85 shots): 39%, 2014/15 (81 shots): 44%
From 16 - <3-pt: 2013/14(197 shots): 44%, 2014/15(195 shots): 39%
From 3 point: 2013/14(624 shots): 39%, 2014/15(569 shots): 34%

2013/14 total shots: 1,493, 2014/2015 total shots: 1349

So if you look at Dame and how he has scored more than last season, yet shot far less than last season; he's been way more efficient.
 
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I swear to God... There are some spoiled muthafuckas in this forum....
 
dviss1 said:
I swear to God... There are some spoiled muthafuckas in this forum....
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Yeah it's so stupid sometimes! Watch... When Dame completely dominates the post season, the same idiots will say "Dame is better than Jordan"

Just call it being a bipolar fan.
 
magnifier661 said:
Let's look at Dame's shooting from last season to this season.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/shooting/2014/ --- 2013/14

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lillada01/shooting/2015/ --- 2014/15

From (At the Rim) --- 2013/14 (427 shots): 53%, 2014/15 (385 shots): 64%
From 3 - <10ft --- 2013/14 (160 shots): 28%, 2014/15 (119): 26%
From 10 - <16ft --- 2013/14(85 shots): 39%, 2014/15 (81 shots): 44%
From 16 - <3-pt: 2013/14(197 shots): 44%, 2014/15(195 shots): 39%
From 3 point: 2013/14(624 shots): 39%, 2014/15(569 shots): 34%

2013/14 total shots: 1,493, 2014/2015 total shots: 1349

So if you look at Dame and how he has scored more than last season, yet shot far less than last season; he's been way more efficient.
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ahhhhhhhhhhhh 2% oh no!
 
I agree with everyone that's defending Dame in this thread, he's grown in many, much needed ways this year. However...

From 3 point: 2013/14(624 shots): 39%, 2014/15(569 shots): 34%
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Opponents have him figured out, do whatever it takes to push him off the three point line and let him get his anywhere else. Dame is at his most dynamic when he's raining down Three's, and this year has been a struggle from downtown (by Lillard standards). Yes we're spoiled to have such high expectations, but the fact of the matter is that Damian is one of the very best pure three point shooters we've ever seen.

Personally, I'm glad that Lillard is struggling a bit. Kid thrives when his back is against the wall and people are doubting, the adversity is only going to push him further into greatness.
 
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Shooter said:
Well-said. Lillard is Roy redux. He plays at half-speed for three quarters, then tries to be the hero in the fourth. It's maddening, especially when compared to a guy like Westbrook who goes full tilt for an entire game.
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How's that working for RW?
 
BBert said:
In my experience, Stevenson doesn't do troll threads, or posts.

It's a valid observation, whether one agrees or not.
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IDK. my biggest problem with the Lillard haters is most of them are the same people who think Westbrook is god, and does no wrong.
They believe they're being objective, but really they're ignoring key stats that prove their statements invalid.

But you're right I prolly jumped the gun and grouped stevenson in with those people.
But in my defense... the stats sly posted show lillard has improved...
If someones only gripe about Lillard is "he's not hitting clutch shots"... or "he's being a baby on the court".
I just find that a very shitty way to see how a player has played for the year.
Batum has regressed, Lillard hasn't.
 
I said we should draft Westbrook instead of Lillard but no one would listen.
 
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