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[Chris Craig]

So uh this was a big issue of mine yesterday. Young guy at work is playing some metal music where they don't sing but growl.

I told him I couldn't stand it BUT I remembered people my age at the time talking shit about Nirvana. I told him I'm cool with his music but it is not for me.

Those people weren't around me back then.

Woah woah....Nirvana isn't growling. Look I get what your saying, but these kids may not get that they don't make music like they used too anymore. And, I'm not saying all kids are genuious and know right. There are some smart kids with really good ideas that I have had the pleasure of having in my classes. Hearing them eases my feelings about the future.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Wait your quoting @BLAZINGGIANTS from another thread? Anyway, I am glad to debate with you. I try to teach all my students to have their own opinions and to arrive at their own conclusions. I respect that you hold your ground. Thats the mark of a smart man.

First, holding your ground in the face of contradictory evidence is not "the mark of a smart man".
Second, this whole "young people are the future thing" is garbage. We've all been there. How many of those kids in HS have taken a civics course? How many know what the Constitution says or what rights citizens have? You don't want people to have guns? Great. Go somewhere where that's the law. Want to have the government tap everything in your house in case you say something criminal? Sweet...there are places for that. Don't like habeus corpus? There are places for you. Want to be able to legally mutilate the genitals of little girls? There's a place for you. Want to make it so that everyone has to have the same religion (or that religion is banned)? There's a place for you.

Except none of that goes on in America. And one of your civic rights is not to unilaterally change the fabric of our country because you saw a snapchat with a cool Che quote. You can ask for it all you want. I get to fight it with everything I've got.

Edit: There's a reason that there aren't a lot of generals who are younger than 45. Or officers younger than 21. Or enlistees younger than 17. In the military, at least, we don't vote on what rules we enact.

 

[MarAzul]

talking shit about Nirvana.

Ha!
The trouble is, you can come to dig that shit.

 

[Chris Craig]

Maybe we're both wrong on everything we agree with the political parties on. We should make a list and then flip like Costanza

We could both be totally wrong. We should make lists. Serenity now!

 

[MarAzul]

I get to fight it with everything I've got.

Amen.

 

[Chris Craig]

First, holding your ground in the face of contradictory evidence is not "the mark of a smart man".
Second, this whole "young people are the future thing" is garbage. We've all been there. How many of those kids in HS have taken a civics course? How many know what the Constitution says or what rights citizens have? You don't want people to have guns? Great. Go somewhere where that's the law. Want to have the government tap everything in your house in case you say something criminal? Sweet...there are places for that. Don't like habeus corpus? There are places for you. Want to be able to legally mutilate the genitals of little girls? There's a place for you. Want to make it so that everyone has to have the same religion (or that religion is banned)? There's a place for you.

Except none of that goes on in America. And one of your civic rights is not to unilaterally change the fabric of our country because you saw a snapchat with a cool Che quote. You can ask for it all you want. I get to fight it with everything I've got.

Edit: There's a reason that there aren't a lot of generals who are younger than 45. Or officers younger than 21. Or enlistees younger than 17. In the military, at least, we don't vote on what rules we enact.

First, a man who holds his ground is pretty respectable in my book. If thats not the case in yours ok. Secondly, pretty soon old people gonna die, young people are going to inherit the mess. Youngsters are the future and we need to teach them to think for themselves and to be openminded. Not to be zombies. Things are changing. 2018 is nothing like 1950. I'm not arguing against the constitution. I am not sure where you got that. And I don't do snap chat. I get the reference though.

 

[MarAzul]

2018 is nothing like 1950.

Very True. And I can vouch for that too. I could tell you more, but might be best to leave it for another day.

 

[Chris Craig]

Very True. And I can vouch for that too. I could tell you more, but might be best to leave it for another day.

I am just saying times change. People have to change with them like it or not.

 

[MARIS61]

I would not patronize that place and my hope is most people wont. But that’s their right.

Unless the cops are gay, then it's a hate crime!

 

[Chris Craig]

Unless the cops are gay, then it's a hate crime!

Green font man...green font!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Wait your quoting @BLAZINGGIANTS from another thread? Anyway, I am glad to debate with you. I try to teach all my students to have their own opinions and to arrive at their own conclusions. I respect that you hold your ground. Thats the mark of a smart man.

He’s not quoting me? He’s quoting you?

 

[Chris Craig]

Very True. And I can vouch for that too. I could tell you more, but might be best to leave it for another day.

Leave it to beaver is gone. Writing a note for your kids to buy you cigarettes or beer is gone. Fucking and doing drugs with strangers are gone. Those eighties hairdoes are gone. Etc...

 

[BrianFromWA]

Leave it to beaver is gone.

Shame.

Writing a note for your kids to buy you cigarettes or beer is gone.

I never needed a note. I was actually talking to my wife about this today, as I was trying to get my 7y/o girl to make a transaction by herself at a farmer's market and she melted down. Mrs. FromWA said that the girl "wasn't ready for the pressure of buying something". When I explained to her that when I was 7 I was walking to the store by myself and buying meat and beer in German, she said "she's not you, and it's not 1983."

Fucking and doing drugs with strangers are gone.

I call BS. One of the other officers in my unit picked up his 11y/o 6th grader from a slumber party because the boy wasn't comfortable when 8th grade girls showed up and started giving BJ's to everyone. Tinder is still a thing. Drug use is down, but not gone.

Those eighties hairdoes are gone. Etc...

But now there are hubcaps instead of earrings, tattoos all over the place, etc.

The point I'm trying to make with all these is not to fight point-by-point, but to say that all generations have had their disruptors...whether it was war, or poverty, or music, or drug use, or free sex, or video games, or whatever. But we've been able to stay "America" for a while because we generally keep to the principles that our ancestors either adopted or bought into when they came here. A (for instance) Guatemalan or Somali immigrant doesn't come to America hoping it can be like where they came from. But that's what many mistakenly believe is "empathetic." They want to "progress" society to change the old stodgy way and "make room for the new generation." I disagree, fundamentally, with progressivism, partially because it can't be projected easily and anything you change is moving away from a pretty well-thought-out societal blueprint. And if it isn't your thing, no one is forcing you to be here.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Ha!
The trouble is, you can come to dig that shit.

Oh I know. Except digging Nirvana was instantaneous. This new stuff is hard to stomach.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Case in point, from the Twitters today:

Great Idea. The Nazis got a lot of play out of it in the 30's and 40's. And they were able to confiscate all civilian weapons so....that's a bingo!

 

[BrianFromWA]

Well, hmm....

 

[Lanny]

Shame.
I never needed a note. I was actually talking to my wife about this today, as I was trying to get my 7y/o girl to make a transaction by herself at a farmer's market and she melted down. Mrs. FromWA said that the girl "wasn't ready for the pressure of buying something". When I explained to her that when I was 7 I was walking to the store by myself and buying meat and beer in German, she said "she's not you, and it's not 1983."
I call BS. One of the other officers in my unit picked up his 11y/o 6th grader from a slumber party because the boy wasn't comfortable when 8th grade girls showed up and started giving BJ's to everyone. Tinder is still a thing. Drug use is down, but not gone.
But now there are hubcaps instead of earrings, tattoos all over the place, etc.

The point I'm trying to make with all these is not to fight point-by-point, but to say that all generations have had their disruptors...whether it was war, or poverty, or music, or drug use, or free sex, or video games, or whatever. But we've been able to stay "America" for a while because we generally keep to the principles that our ancestors either adopted or bought into when they came here. A (for instance) Guatemalan or Somali immigrant doesn't come to America hoping it can be like where they came from. But that's what many mistakenly believe is "empathetic." They want to "progress" society to change the old stodgy way and "make room for the new generation." I disagree, fundamentally, with progressivism, partially because it can't be projected easily and anything you change is moving away from a pretty well-thought-out societal blueprint. And if it isn't your thing, no one is forcing you to be here.

I remember buying some sweets at a store when I was so young that I couldn't find my way home two blocks away. Fortunately, it was in Oswego and policeman saw me and figured out my predicament and drove me around until I found grandma's house where we were living on second street.

 

[Lanny]

Well, hmm....

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We do let some high schoolers indirectly make policy when they vote as 18 year olds.

 

[Lanny]

Case in point, from the Twitters today:

Great Idea. The Nazis got a lot of play out of it in the 30's and 40's. And they were able to confiscate all civilian weapons so....that's a bingo!

Nobody's gonna challenge our military with firearms. That would be suicide, for starters. Besides, you'd need a minimum of a well armed militia for something like that.

No, insanity ain't in my blood. I'll stick to the ballot box which I'm gonna do in spades this coming general election.