A view from the UK

[maxiep]

A couple of interesting articles

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/n...vagant-and-out-of-touch-with-ordinary-people/

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/n...sons-why-the-obama-presidency-is-in-meltdown/

 

[Eastoff]

maybe they're right. While we're at it, we should forgive BP since about 1/3 of british citizens have money invested in it.

 

[maxiep]

maybe they're right. While we're at it, we should forgive BP since about 1/3 of british citizens have money invested in it.

Note that I wrote "A view" not "The view". It's an opinion only. However, like de Toqueville, sometimes the best observations of America come from foreigners.

 

[DUB]

Should change the thread title to "A right wing view from the UK".

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Should change the thread title to "A right wing view from the UK".

I don't think I can agree with this post enough.

 

[maxiep]

Should change the thread title to "A right wing view from the UK".

If I posted something from The Guardian, should I have made the thread title "A left-wing view from the UK"?

 

[julius]

If I posted something from The Guardian, should I have made the thread title "A left-wing view from the UK"?

Well, if you posted something from a "left wing" point of view, we would have first had to check to see if someone hacked your account because we'd know it wouldn't be something from you.

The next thing we'd do is complain about the lame article you posted. And after that, it would've dropped off the face of the forum because no one cares.

 

[maxiep]

Well, if you posted something from a "left wing" point of view, we would have first had to check to see if someone hacked your account because we'd know it wouldn't be something from you.

The next thing we'd do is complain about the lame article you posted. And after that, it would've dropped off the face of the forum because no one cares.

Too true. Repped.

 

[DUB]

If your posting articles by someone with a rep like this:

Nile Gardiner is a British conservative commentator, and director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at right-wing think tank, The Heritage Foundation. In his work as a polemicist, he is known for his outspoken and partisan positions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_Gardiner

Then I think you should let people know that the comments are extreemly biased (and yes, I think the same applies to someone who works for left organisations).

To not do so is misleading.

By the way, he doesn't even live in the UK.

 

[maxiep]

If your posting articles by someone with a rep like this:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nile_Gardiner

Then I think you should let people know that the comments are extreemly biased (and yes, I think the same applies to someone who works for left organisations).

To not do so is misleading.

By the way, he doesn't even live in the UK.

Okey dokey. I think a person can read and article and arrive at their own conclusions. If I posted something by Kevin Rudd, do I need to mention he's an idiot? I'm pretty sure that's quite evident.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Well the thread title could make it seem like this is UK's opinion of Obama as a whole.

 

[maxiep]

Well the thread title could make it seem like this is UK's opinion of Obama as a whole.

How? Again, I wrote "A view", not "The view".

 

[Colonel Ronan]

How? Again, I wrote "A view", not "The view".

 

[DUB]

If I posted something by Kevin Rudd, do I need to mention he's an idiot? I'm pretty sure that's quite evident.

The KRuddler is plenty of things (full of himself, nerd, bureaucrat, governed by polls, etc), but an idiot isn't one of them.

He's too smart for his own good; got way too far ahead of himself, and thought that his shit didn't stink.

How? Again, I wrote "A view", not "The view".

Yes, you were very calculated, and deliberately misleading with that.

 

[maxiep]

The KRuddler is plenty of things (full of himself, nerd, bureaucrat, governed by polls, etc), but an idiot isn't one of them.

He's too smart for his own good; got way too far ahead of himself, and thought that his shit didn't stink.

It seems the fine people of your country disagree. There are many kinds of idiocy, and Rudd has one type in spades.

Yes, you were very calculated, and deliberately misleading with that.

It's being accurate, not misleading.

 

[DUB]

It seems the fine people of your country disagree.

His party kicked him out, not the Australian people.

We didn't get the chance!

There are many kinds of idiocy, and Rudd has one type in spades.

True.

It's being accurate, not misleading.

It's both.

 

[maxiep]

It's both.

It's actually not.

 

[DUB]

Yes it is.

A misleading statement is one where there is no outright lie, but still retains the purpose of getting someone to believe in an untruth. "Dissembling" likewise describes the presentation of facts in a way that is literally true, but intentionally misleading.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Misleading.2Fdissembling

 

[andalusian]

Mods - can we rename this thread "the view from the dictionary"?

 

[maxiep]

Yes it is.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Misleading.2Fdissembling

How is it misleading? Is it a view from the UK or now? I didn't say it was the way all Brits thought, just one viewpoint.

 

[DUB]

How is it misleading?

You presented a biased opinion without declaring said bias.

You omitted important information that allows posters to judge the balance of the articles.

Did you lie? No.

Were you frank? No.

I'm not the only poster who thought the title could be misleading.

Well the thread title could make it seem like this is UK's opinion of Obama as a whole.

Is it a view from the UK or now?

No, it isn't. The blogger lives in the US of A.

 

[maxiep]

You presented a biased opinion without declaring said bias.

You omitted important information that allows posters to judge the balance of the articles.

Did you lie? No.

Were you frank? No.

Go through the page and find me titles that aren't "misleading" by your silly interpretation of the definition. Jesus H., is it too much to ask you to read the article? Come to your own conclusions. Why the fuck do I need to hold your cock and lead you to the urinal to piss? I made a fucking post with two editorials. Guess what? They have opinions. Bias is assumed. Get over it and post why you disagree with the contentions made rather than having a silly, semantic argument. I'm a patient guy, but holy fuck are you annoying.

I'm not the only poster who thought the title could be misleading.

Link?

No, it isn't. The blogger lives in the US of A.

And The Telegraph is a UK paper. Hence "From the UK". I don't think you're a QC, so you should stop trying to play one. If for some reason you are find a new profession because you're really bad at it.

 

[DUB]

Now you're playing the man, not the ball.

Poor form.

Link?

To Ronan's post?

It's in this thread; you responded to it.

 

[maxiep]

Now you're playing the man, not the ball.

Poor form.

You've accused me of not being frank and being misleading. Who has the poor form again?

And as for your accusation, isn't that what you're doing to poor Mr. Gardener? You've haven't even addressed his points; instead you've attacked him personally. Perhaps it's because you can't? How about "playing the ball" DUB?

To Ronan's post?

It's in this thread; you responded to it.

He agreed it was a view from the right, not that it was misleading. Seriously, you're really bad at this.

 

[DUB]

You asked me to explain how I find the thread title misleading.

How is it misleading?

All I've done is try to clarify how I find it misleading.

I haven't made made any comment about the blogger, other than that he is from the right of politics.

I don't see how that's a personal attack on him.

He agreed it was a view from the right, not that it was misleading.

I disagree due to this post.

Well the thread title could make it seem like this is UK's opinion of Obama as a whole.

 

[bluefrog]

I've got some time to kill so I responded to one of the articles

1. The Obama presidency is out of touch with the American people

Disagree. He's definitely out of touch with white middle class Americans. Michele still remains popular with people though

First Lady Michelle Obama, despite her controversial jaunt to Spain last week, remains one of the country’s most-popular political figures. Half of Americans feel positively about her, while 19% feel negatively. The survey, conducted Aug. 5-9, was being taken as negative stories were coming out about her vacation, taken with a daughter and friends at a time when many Americans remain jobless.

LINK

2. Most Americans don’t have confidence in the president’s leadership

Agree. I'm not in the majority though. I think people's opinion of him will change by the end of the year though. His approval numbers are picking up.

3. Obama fails to inspire

Agree. It's been too much of politics as usual and the party divide is getting wider

4. The United States is drowning in debt

Agree. It's getting out of hand.

5. Obama’s Big Government message is falling flat

Somewhat agree. I don't approve of the bailouts

6. Obama’s support for socialised health care is a huge political mistake

Disagree. Health care costs are ridiculous. It's the number one cause of bankruptcy. Something had to be done

7. Obama’s handling of the Gulf oil spill has been weak-kneed and indecisive

Disagree. He gave BP a chance to handle it on their own and stepped in when needed.

From the same WSJ poll.

Half of Americans approve of President Barack Obama’s job performance on the spill, while 38% disapprove.

8. US foreign policy is an embarrassing mess under the Obama administration

Disagree. He scored a big home win with the Russian spy swap. Personally, my foreign friends have a more favorable view of the U.S. They are not alone either. LINK

9. President Obama is muddled and confused on national security

Agree. I think we're going to have to buckle down in Afganistan and see the war through. It's going to take years to turn that country around.

10. Obama doesn’t believe in American greatness

Disagree. This is just stupid. He's appologising for the wrecking ball of cowboy diplomacy. It's working too. He got the freaking Noble Peace Prize too.

 

[MARIS61]

Well the thread title could make it seem like this is UK's opinion of Obama as a whole.

Which is pretty much the opposite of reality.

 

[maxiep]

You asked me to explain how I find the thread title misleading.


All I've done is try to clarify how I find it misleading.

I haven't made made any comment about the blogger, other than that he is from the right of politics.

I don't see how that's a personal attack on him.

You have done nothing but bitch and moan about a throwaway (but correct) title to a thread. You seem to be up in arms that this person may have his own opinions, with which you seem to disagree. You have accused me of all kinds of underhanded things as well as this person not being able to see beyond their own bias. Again, at no point did you address any of the points of the articles. You simply looked at this writer's background and dismissed him. Should I do the same with every opinion writer I confront? For example, I disagree with Paul Krugman, but I read his articles and find that he often makes interesting points. In other words, I use the writer's words and ideas, not their viewpoint.

You do a disservice to the writer by dismissing them out of hand. You would be better off not commenting on them.

I disagree due to this post.

Because someone "could" agree with your insane and grammatically incorrect point of view, doesn't mean they "do" agree with you.

I look forward to your comments on all the other "misleading" titles on this board as well as the points discussed in the two articles I posted. I'm afraid you're more interested in shooting the messenger than dealing with the message, however.

 

[maxiep]

I've got some time to kill so I responded to one of the articles



Disagree. He's definitely out of touch with white middle class Americans. Michele still remains popular with people though


LINK



Agree. I'm not in the majority though. I think people's opinion of him will change by the end of the year though. His approval numbers are picking up.



Agree. It's been too much of politics as usual and the party divide is getting wider



Agree. It's getting out of hand.



Somewhat agree. I don't approve of the bailouts



Disagree. Health care costs are ridiculous. It's the number one cause of bankruptcy. Something had to be done



Disagree. He gave BP a chance to handle it on their own and stepped in when needed.

From the same WSJ poll.




Disagree. He scored a big home win with the Russian spy swap. Personally, my foreign friends have a more favorable view of the U.S. They are not alone either. LINK



Agree. I think we're going to have to buckle down in Afganistan and see the war through. It's going to take years to turn that country around.



Disagree. This is just stupid. He's appologising for the wrecking ball of cowboy diplomacy. It's working too. He got the freaking Noble Peace Prize too.

Thank you for commenting on the links rather than the title. Repped.

 

[MARIS61]

How is it misleading? Is it a view from the UK or now? I didn't say it was the way all Brits thought, just one viewpoint.

It's no more misleading than the labeling a story about the Hillside Strangler "American men rape and torture women", or a story about the KKK "A view from America".

But go ahead and play dumb.