A view from the UK

[maxiep]

It's no more misleading than the labeling a story about the Hillside Strangler "American men rape and torture women", or a story about the KKK "A view from America".

Correction. The story about the Hillside Strangler could be titled "An American rapes and tortures women" and would be completely correct. And what part of the KKK not being a view from America do you disagree? It's a small segment, it's ignorant, but it's "a view".

But go ahead and play dumb.

There's no way I'll try to play dumb when there are professionals playing at an MVP level like you out there.

 

[Minstrel]

For what it's worth, I don't think the thread title was intellectually dishonest. I don't think it's required that all biases be listed when providing an opinion. You can assume biases, if you want, based on the person/people involved but the opinion stands on its own. Biased or not, it either makes useful points to the reader (in the judgment of each individual one) or it doesn't.

The only thing one could call "misleading" in my opinion is that the "from the UK" part. The implication is that this is a view from outside the US...but even if it was printed in a UK paper, it was (apparently) written by someone inside the US. So is it really a view from someone outside the US looking in? But I don't think that was intentionally misleading.

 

[MARIS61]

You seem to be up in arms that this person may have his own opinions, with which you seem to disagree.

I believe he is up in arms as you say because you deliberately imply in your thread title that "this person" (singular) who is merely parroting word for word what he heard on Fox, is expressing a view that is shared by his countrymen. That is dishonest and has been debunked already in this thread.

"A view from Fox News repeated verbatim by a British guy living in Washington" seems more accurate.

 

[MARIS61]

Correction. The story about the Hillside Strangler could be titled "An American rapes and tortures women" and would be completely correct..

It would be correct, but still misleading as they were a 2-man team. "2 Americans rape and torture women" is how someone wanting to not give the wrong impression would phrase it.

And what part of the KKK not being a view from America do you disagree? It's a small segment, it's ignorant, but it's "a view".

It is a view from a hate-group in America. It is not a view shared by Americans in general, or even in large numbers.

Just as your Fox-lover expresses "a view plagiarized from Fox News by a British guy living in Washington", not a view shared by large numbers from the UK.

If I travel to DC and post should I title my thread "A view from the White House"?

 

[Ed O]

I not sure that I understand why maxiep's being attacked here.

Any view is biased. No view is universal. There's nothing wrong with the title.

As for whether it's "from the UK" or not... Democracy in America was published by a Frenchman from notes taken over the better part of a year in the USA. This opinion piece seems to be written by a Brit on a UK website while he's living in the US. I'm not sure it would really matter that he flew back to London before typing it up... it's still an outsider's perspective.

It seems pretty obvious that some of the people attacking maxiep don't agree with the content of the piece, and they're worked up about it. Unfortunate.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm not sure it would really matter that he flew back to London before typing it up...

I agree it wouldn't matter...he still wouldn't be an "outsider" if he made the observations about the US while living in the US.

 

[Ed O]

I agree it wouldn't matter...he still wouldn't be an "outsider" if he made the observations about the US while living in the US.

You take physical presence to be that important? Really?

I think being an outsider is more about culture and mindset than where you happen to be sleeping.

And do you deny that Tocqueville's work was that of an outsider? He spent nine months in the US and Canada and based his work on that.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

You take physical presence to be that important? Really?

I take what society you are immersed in to be pretty important in determining what society you are part of. I don't take physical presence at time of writing to be important, obviously, since I said if he flew back to London to type it up, it wouldn't change anything.

I don't think someone who is watching the political process from within the US (which means, consuming US views from the media and people around him) is providing an outsider perspective to the US political process.

 

[MARIS61]

Nor is it representative of the view of "the UK", as he obviously meant to imply.

Just the view of someone who used to live there, but doesn't now.

It could just as easily be referred to as an opinion piece taken straight from Fox, as that is what it appears to be.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

I not sure that I understand why maxiep's being attacked here.

Any view is biased. No view is universal. There's nothing wrong with the title.

As for whether it's "from the UK" or not... Democracy in America was published by a Frenchman from notes taken over the better part of a year in the USA. This opinion piece seems to be written by a Brit on a UK website while he's living in the US. I'm not sure it would really matter that he flew back to London before typing it up... it's still an outsider's perspective.

It seems pretty obvious that some of the people attacking maxiep don't agree with the content of the piece, and they're worked up about it. Unfortunate.

Ed O.

Just shut up.

 

[Masbee]

Should change the thread title to "A right wing view from the UK".

No,

"A right wing view from a Brit based in America."

The Nile Gardiner dude does not live and work in UK.

Oops. Already covered several times. Maybe next time I should read further into the thread.

 

[Haakzilla]

...blame the Federal Reserve Act, the Federal Reserve Bank, and anyone/anything else with close ties to the banking elite [Bilderberg Group etc etc]!

Obama is a puppet.
Bush was a puppet.
Clinton was a puppet.
Et al was a puppet...

JFK was the last true president that wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve so they had him killed.

Hopefully, Ron Paul will run again in 2012 as he actually represents/supports the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES of AMERICA and will defend our BILL of RIGHTS!!!