Abortion is acceptable, but..

[3RA1N1AC]

We should kill all the hitlers

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Perfect example of why the death penalty is bad and why abortions should be legal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_George_Spencer

 

[julius]

You are entitled to your opinion I guess. Fortunately I don't need your approval to justify mine.

It's not about approval, it's about if you want people to actually listen to what you say and take it seriously, try not incorporating Hitler, or making weird ass "what ifs" to prove a point. If you have to go to that level, your point isn't strong.

 

[blazerboy30]

This would require a definition of when a fetus (baby as you call it) becomes a person. I don't have an answer to that. Certainly when born, perhaps earlier, but when? I'd just rather not have the state involved with making this decision.

The people need to make the decision. There is no such thing as "pro choice". It is a human rights issue, and society needs to determine when it is a human.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Call it abortion or the death penalty but the new neighbor on the corner keeps parking his gay lifted ford COCK compensator truck in front of the stop sign by his house. He is as evil as Hitler and needs to die. I don't mean gay as a homophobic term, just that people that drive those trucks are almost as gay as Harley guy who revs his gay motorcycle all the time. See South Park for further info.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if he is obstructing a stop sign I'm sure he could be cited under motor vehicle code 27a3, which reads "Within thirty feet of, and upon the approach to, any flashing beacon, stop sign, or traffic control device;" Then he could protest the citation in court if he desired as according to the us constitution.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

How are prochoice and proabortion different? Prochoice is not an indifferent term, as pro choice you may not make that decision yourself but you support everything you mentioned.

when did I ask for a clarification? If you re read the post you quoted, I was pointing out the difference.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

After reading through this thread a self realization on what a terrible person I am . . . I am pro-choice and pro death penalty.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The odd thing that I see here is people want to argue the right or wrong of a single issue, but fail to defend both. Some of the most interesting posts have been to compare Hitler to abortion. One could make the argument that more have been murdered in the name of abortion than have died in the concentration or death camps.

The only other consistent thing of notice is that the few who I expected to perhaps give a reasonable explanation, have avoided any real dialogue, and chosen to pick nits and deflect issues.

 

[magnifier661]

The odd thing that I see here is people want to argue the right or wrong of a single issue, but fail to defend both. Some of the most interesting posts have been to compare Hitler to abortion. One could make the argument that more have been murdered in the name of abortion than have died in the concentration or death camps.

The only other consistent thing of notice is that the few who I expected to perhaps give a reasonable explanation, have avoided any real dialogue, and chosen to pick nits and deflect issues.

The thing is… If the baby is actually considered "a baby"; then it is murder. The question is… "Why do they assume the fetus is not a baby yet?" What explanation do they give?

 

[MarAzul]

The thing is… If the baby is actually considered "a baby"; then it is murder. The question is… "Why do they assume the fetus is not a baby yet?" What explanation do they give?

I don't get it either. For all these scientific minded purist, the DNA of a child/Fetus would definitely identify it as human. What the hell sort of scientific argument are they using? It must come from some cult unknown to me.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The thing is… If the baby is actually considered "a baby"; then it is murder. The question is… "Why do they assume the fetus is not a baby yet?" What explanation do they give?

There have been books written about this issue so hard to boil down into a couple of paragraphs. But here is a short legal take on it:

The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability. The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't get it either. For all these scientific minded purist, the DNA of a child/Fetus would definitely identify it as human. What the hell sort of scientific argument are they using? It must come from some cult unknown to me.

Woman's RIGHT to choose.

You get stuck on one of the two persons' rights in the matter. Weigh them both against one another. The woman's body is solely hers to do with as she pleases.

The fetus has a right to live. Take it out and get it to live. Not a single person in the debate would object.

 

[magnifier661]

There have been books written about this issue so hard to boil down into a couple of paragraphs. But here is a short legal take on it:

The Court later rejected Roe's trimester framework, while affirming Roe's central holding that a person has a right to abortion until viability. The Roe decision defined "viable" as being "potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid", adding that viability "is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks."

So as the baby is moving in the womb, it's okay to abort the baby because that baby cannot live outside the womb in this condition?

 

[magnifier661]

Woman's RIGHT to choose.

You get stuck on one of the two persons' rights in the matter. Weigh them both against one another. The woman's body is solely hers to do with as she pleases.

The fetus has a right to live. Take it out and get it to live. Not a single person in the debate would object.

So is it a woman's right to abort the baby at 8 months?

 

[Denny Crane]

So is it a woman's right to abort the baby at 8 months?

The baby is viable at 8 months.

 

[magnifier661]

The baby is viable at 8 months.

So the woman says, "I don't want this baby in my stomach right now!", she can have the baby removed?

 

[MarAzul]

Woman's RIGHT to choose.

You get stuck on one of the two persons' rights in the matter. Weigh them both against one another. The woman's body is solely hers to do with as she pleases.

The fetus has a right to live. Take it out and get it to live. Not a single person in the debate would object.

Rights come from the creator, so I would say you are misinformed. No one has been given the Right to Kill a human being by the creator. Caesar (the state) has assumed the right after due process and rightfully so.

However, it does not bother me that some women kill their child when they do not want to care for it, the village is better off without the burden, as disgusting as that maybe.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So as the baby is moving in the womb, it's okay to abort the baby because that baby cannot live outside the womb in this condition?

Not exactly but generally that is the legal standard.

How do you feel about the morning after pill?

 

[magnifier661]

Not exactly but generally that is the legal standard.

How do you feel about the morning after pill?

I don't feel anything for any of it. I got snipped because I didn't want to give that burden to any woman. Sometimes I regret doing it, but I'm sure I would have regretted it more having a child with someone I can't stand.

 

[tlongII]

Rights come from the creator, so I would say you are misinformed. No one has been given the Right to Kill a human being by the creator. Caesar (the state) has assumed the right after due process and rightfully so.

However, it does not bother me that some women kill their child when they do not want to care for it, the village is better off without the burden, as disgusting as that maybe.

Who is this creator you speak of?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The thing is… If the baby is actually considered "a baby"; then it is murder. The question is… "Why do they assume the fetus is not a baby yet?" What explanation do they give?

meh people who preform partial birth abortions dont even try to make that argument...

 

[magnifier661]

Who is this creator you speak of?

You'll meet him one day

 

[Jesus Christ Son of God]

Who is this creator you speak of?

My dad.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

My dad.

Is that you papag?

 

[MarAzul]

Who is this creator you speak of?

Check it out. It was written by a very wise man.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/bdsdcc:@field(DOCID+@lit(bdsdcc02101))

 

[Denny Crane]

So the woman says, "I don't want this baby in my stomach right now!", she can have the baby removed?

exactly right

 

[Denny Crane]

Rights come from the creator, so I would say you are misinformed. No one has been given the Right to Kill a human being by the creator. Caesar (the state) has assumed the right after due process and rightfully so.

However, it does not bother me that some women kill their child when they do not want to care for it, the village is better off without the burden, as disgusting as that maybe.

Navy Seals killed Bin Laden.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I don't feel anything for any of it. I got snipped because I didn't want to give that burden to any woman. Sometimes I regret doing it, but I'm sure I would have regretted it more having a child with someone I can't stand.

What is the difference between killing life and interfering with the creation of life? Both are unnatural ways to avoid the creator's intent of birth.

 

[magnifier661]

What is the difference between killing life and interfering with the creation of life? Both are unnatural ways to avoid the creator's intent of birth.

You are right and I regretted doing it. But that was then when I decided. Now I'm paying for it after I found the woman I want to spend the rest of my life with.

But if life officially is created, then killing that life is no different than killing some 3 year old.