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[Minstrel]

Entirely speculative. But, again, I'm entirely ready to take the gamble on Trump

It's kind of an indictment that you've forgotten that Trump has already been in office for three years and you think he'll be someone new that you can "gamble" on.

If he can't accomplish anything in three years, to the point that you're wondering what a Trump presidency would be like, what makes you think another term will do the trick?

 

[julius]

It's kind of an indictment that you've forgotten that Trump has already been in office for three years and you think he'll be someone new that you can "gamble" on.

If he can't accomplish anything in three years, to the point that you're wondering what a Trump presidency would be like, what makes you think another term will do the trick?

Because he claims he's against abortion and that's all that matters.

 

[calvin natt]

It's kind of an indictment that you've forgotten that Trump has already been in office for three years and you think he'll be someone new that you can "gamble" on.

If he can't accomplish anything in three years, to the point that you're wondering what a Trump presidency would be like, what makes you think another term will do the trick?

Ha. This is good. “Hm, I’m willing to give Trump a shot”
-ABM in 2020, after Trumps 2016 election

 

[calvin natt]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We need MORE abortions not less. See: Spring Break, Florida, 2020.

 

[theprunetang]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. We need MORE abortions not less. See: Spring Break, Florida, 2020.

See: Florida, circa every year it has existed or will exist.

 

[Lanny]

IMO the problem is our crony capitalism, and I will admit that capitalism can quickly lead to crony capitalism. In a truly capitalistic society the government is supposed to be a referee to ensure fairness of competition, fairness of the marketplace and yes to protect people from those corporations. Unfortunately what we have right now though its like playing the lakers on their homecourt and were all getting fouled but the lawmakers wont call it because they have their hands in the side of the corporation (the Lakers).
Every country has some split of socialism vs capitalism, and varying degrees. I believe we should have options, and health insurance doesn't always equate to healthcare. Probably the closest “socialist” position I come to is healthcare, I don't believe healthcare should be a for profit industry. South Korea for instance has insurance companies that are ran as non-profits. I am not a big government type, I think you give them an inch and they’ll give corporations a 500b bailout to their buddies.

I've received health care in South Korea. Like their public transportation it's so heavily subsidized that it's cheap all the way from the doctor's charge to the price of the medication. I was seen at a large hospital in Seoul and the only charge was for the doctor's visit. This was about 40 years ago but I think my total bill for the doctor, shots and pills was about $13. Bus fare around town was about 3 cents. A taxi ride when less than a mile was about 80 cents. I'm sure it's more now but still cheap by our standards.
Now, my sister-in-law, who still lives in South Korea, has a ton of medical bills and pays a song. Haven't checked the recent price of bus fare but that's how she travels and she is not that wealthy, okay, a little bit wealthy but not overly wealthy.
S. Korea takes care of their disadvantaged, that's for sure.

 

[Lanny]

Entirely speculative. But, again, I'm entirely ready to take the gamble on Trump than anything the Democratic party has to offer at this point. Premiums are heading North and no plan by the left that I know of.

What kind of plan/policy do you like?

Here's a news flash for you, before Obama Care premiums were headed North much faster than they are now while coverage was worse. Do you really want to go back to that including no coverage for people with existing conditions? Remember now, the preexisting conditions bullcrap was ended with the advent of Obama Care. Republicans have actually worked to reverse the preexisting conditions clause.

 

[Orion Bailey]

What if what if what iff.
Condoms are everywhere.

make better choices.

Im pro choice. But i still think most abortions are a copout for not being responsible for ones decisions.

 

[crandc]

A woman who needed emergency hysterectomy was denied coverage due to pre existing condition, menstruation.
A man had a heart attack. He and his wife had what they thought was ACA compliant insurance but was a junk plan. They were billed $250,000 because he had a heart condition and plan excluded pre existing conditions.
The famous case of man recently returned from China with flu symptoms. He was able to get a Corona virus test but was billed $3000. He just had ordinary flu. Insurance company demanded three years of his medical records to search for possible pre existing condition so they could deny coverage.
These are among the affidavits filed before the Supreme Court in the ACA case. Expect more people denied care if anti life ABM gets his way.
The cruelty is the point.

 

[crandc]

What if what if what iff.
Condoms are everywhere.

make better choices.

Im pro choice. But i still think most abortions are a copout for not being responsible for ones decisions.

Ever actually looked into this or just assuming?

 

[Lanny]

What if what if what iff.
Condoms are everywhere.

make better choices.

Im pro choice. But i still think most abortions are a copout for not being responsible for ones decisions.

Because disadvantaged people tend to make disadvantaged decisions? Ever thought about that? They may not have all the advantages in their thinking that you have.

 

[ABM]

It's kind of an indictment that you've forgotten that Trump has already been in office for three years and you think he'll be someone new that you can "gamble" on.

If he can't accomplish anything in three years, to the point that you're wondering what a Trump presidency would be like, what makes you think another term will do the trick?

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't I'd love to see a term where he can just get on getting on with the business of our country without all the incessant distractions.

 

[ABM]

Here's a news flash for you, before Obama Care premiums were headed North much faster than they are now while coverage was worse. Do you really want to go back to that including no coverage for people with existing conditions? Remember now, the preexisting conditions bullcrap was ended with the advent of Obama Care. Republicans have actually worked to reverse the preexisting conditions clause.

Actually, I'd love to see a hybrid of sorts: competition brought back into the marketplace (no single payer); no preexisting conditions; more employer participation in premium costs; provisions for the needy and certain low-income situations; total transparent and accurate quotes up front; etc. I'd like to see insurance companies collectively paying for medical testing. I'd like the continued efforts to get big pharm under control...and fair.

I'm sure there's more stuff I'd like to see. I just don't want some big blanket thrown over it all and say daddy (our government) has it covered, you can go back to sleep now.

To me, there's a certain irresponsibility in that approach that could also be wrought with corruption and/or huge wastes. When the government carries the stick, there's no real accountability. Is there? I say let the people who actually know what they're doing manage it, along with accountability checkpoints in place....however that might look. Perhaps, that's a bit pollyannish, not certain.

Anyway, much can be debated if Trump will be able to get done what he has been promising. I get that. Nonetheless, I feel as if he is on the right track in terms of his "wants". We shall see.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/subjects/health-care/

 

[calvin natt]

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't I'd love to see a term where he can just get on getting on with the business of our country without all the incessant distractions.

Gee I wonder why duh

 

[yankeesince59]

Have you ever seen a president who deserves to be hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump?

FIFY

 

[calvin natt]

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't I'd love to see a term where he can just get on getting on with the business of our country without all the incessant distractions.

Yeah everyone just leave him alone, he doesn’t bring on any of this drama himself it’s the media’s fault. He doesn’t like controversy. He just wants to do a great job.

 

[crandc]

Jesus Christ on the cross didn't suffer as Trump has suffered from impeachment. Jews in Nazi Germany weren't as persecuted as Trump is by people saying mean things.

 

[RR7]

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't I'd love to see a term where he can just get on getting on with the business of our country without all the incessant distractions.

Seriously? The fat bastard did his own hounding, antagonizing, etc. of the previous administration with all of his birther bullshit.
If he cant get anything done with the house and senate on his side because of people mocking him, maybe hes just unfit to lead?

 

[calvin natt]

Seriously? The fat bastard did his own hounding, antagonizing, etc. of the previous administration with all of his birther bullshit.
If he cant get anything done with the house and senate on his side because of people mocking him, maybe hes just unfit to lead?

Wrong it’s CNNs fault

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't I'd love to see a term where he can just get on getting on with the business of our country without all the incessant distractions.

Uh, helloooooo..........Bill Clinton anyone??? The Republicans spent 8 entire years hounding him on Whitewater, Vince Foster, a hummer from Monica, yada, yada, yada. They never let up. Trump’s getting off incredibly easy considering just how open his corruption is........and your memory sucks a hoagie.

 

[Hoopguru]

Because disadvantaged people tend to make disadvantaged decisions? Ever thought about that? They may not have all the advantages in their thinking that you have.

Lanny, I get what you're saying but Advantaged kids make some of the poorest decisions too. Ive known many disadvantaged kids whom want to excel and put forth the effort and they to succeed. Spoiled kids are just that, spoiled.

 

[julius]

Uh, helloooooo..........Bill Clinton anyone??? The Republican spent 8 entire years hounding him on Whitewater, Vince Foster, a hummer from Monica, yada, yada, yada. They never let up.

Not that Bill and Hillary are clean machines, but the right wing has been hounding them for well over 30 years now.

Trump’s getting off incredibly easy considering just how open his corruption is........and your memory sucks a hoagie.

It's because he has very selective memory.

 

[RR7]

Not that Bill and Hillary are clean machines, but the right wing has been hounding them for well over 30 years now.


It's because he has very selective memory.

For real. Anything wrong with Trump, and his supporters still pull out "What about Bill"

 

[julius]

For real. Anything wrong with Trump, and his supporters still pull out "What about Bill"

It's not so much that (and it is that), it's also that they act like A: that absolves anything Trump does, B: will ignore when people say "yeah, he was a dirty dog" (etc) and C: act holier than thou now and use this alleged "hypocrisy" as proof they're correct.

 

[ABM]

Uh, helloooooo..........Bill Clinton anyone??? The Republicans spent 8 entire years hounding him on Whitewater, Vince Foster, a hummer from Monica, yada, yada, yada. They never let up...

He claims all of that anxiety/stress led to blowjobs and such in the Oval Office. He never did have sexual relations with her, though, so that's good.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/bill-clinton-monica-lewinsky-affair-was-to-manage-my-anxieties/

 

[donkiez]

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't I'd love to see a term where he can just get on getting on with the business of our country without all the incessant distractions.

You conveniently forget that Trump had the house and Senate for 2 of the 3 years he has been president. All he did with that was tax breaks for corporations and the rich. He doesn't care about health care, or the environment, or immigration, or even abortion for that matter. It's just money and his track record proves his priorities. If you think he will get to your agenda next time then I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

He claims all of that anxiety/stress led to blowjobs and such in the Oval Office. He never did have sexual relations with her, though, so that's good.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/05/bill-clinton-monica-lewinsky-affair-was-to-manage-my-anxieties/

And let’s don’t forget about the Obama years. You know.....when every problem in the world was Obama’s fault (at least we can be grateful to Sleazy Don for making Obama look like a great statesman....and gave us someone who is truly to blame). You know....when every racist came out of the woodwork and the Republicans fought him tooth and nail over everything. They wouldn’t even allow him a moderate Supreme Court pick when he still had a year left in office. It must be wonderful to live one’s life with blinders on. And anyway, what’s a consensual BJ when compared to the sexual predator currently occupying the Oval Office.......

 

[crandc]

Uh, helloooooo..........Bill Clinton anyone??? The Republicans spent 8 entire years hounding him on Whitewater, Vince Foster, a hummer from Monica, yada, yada, yada. They never let up. Trump’s getting off incredibly easy considering just how open his corruption is........and your memory sucks a hoagie.

And hounded President Obama for wearing a tan suit, putting Dijon mustard on a burger, saluting with coffee cup in his hand.

 

[Minstrel]

Who says he hasn't accomplished anything?

You did, by forgetting that Trump has already been President. You've been saying you'd like to see what Trump would do as President and we should elect him to find out. You've lost track of the fact that he was already elected.

Have you ever seen a president hounded, investigated, prosecuted, and otherwise antagonized - on so many levels - more than President Trump? I know I haven't

That's because you haven't seen a President do so many corrupt and shady things. That tends to lead to investigations and prosecutions.

Not to mention, Republicans hounded and investigated Obama constantly despite the fact that he largely ran a no-drama administration. And we know it was fake outrage because McConnell spoke their strategy before his Presidency began: "Our top priority is to make him a one-term President." (Though he didn't realize it would become public.)

 

[ABM]

You did, by forgetting that Trump has already been President. You've been saying you'd like to see what Trump would do as President and we should elect him to find out. You've lost track of the fact that he was already elected.



That's because you haven't seen a President do so many corrupt and shady things. That tends to lead to investigations and prosecutions.

Not to mention, Republicans hounded and investigated Obama constantly despite the fact that he largely ran a no-drama administration. And we know it was fake outrage because McConnell spoke their strategy before his Presidency began: "Our top priority is to make him a one-term President." (Though he didn't realize it would become public.)

Reelect is what I was alluding to. Most all presidents need 2 terms to accomplish their agenda, so I was simply saying give him a chance to tackle health care. (I made another post on this matter, as well) Sure, yeah, Obama, Clinton had their share of challenges from the opposing side, but I guarantee you not to the extent Trump has gone through...in 3 1/2 years, no less. But, it's no use debating. I've already said that virtually every one of our presidents are not angels. Shoot, if Biden were to get elected.....Well, I won't go there.

Virtually everyone in here hates Trump. Minds won't be changed, that's for sure. I just find it kinda funny that seemingly every thread/post I make in here leads to me having to discuss Trump in some form and fashion. Shoot, look at this thread. Nothing to do with the man....but here we go again. It's kinda funny, too, when I keep silent, I get called out for evading the "issue".

But, hey, whatever...I'm just looking forward to drinks from Lanny.