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Why is it that some people feel it's OK to point out someone else's perceived over-sensitivity, but when the tables are turned, it's not OK?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The 41 most shocking lines from Donald Trump's Baghdadi announcement


CNN) On Sunday morning, President Donald Trump announced that ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi had died as a result of a US raid in northern Syria. And then he kept talking. And taking questions. And more questions.

I went through the transcript of Trump's remarks and pulled out the most, uh, notable lines.

1. "He died after running into a dead-end tunnel, whimpering and crying and screaming all the way."
Trump is very interested in painting a specific picture of Baghdadi for the public -- of a cowardly fake tough guy. His detailed description of how Baghdadi met his end is a direct contrast to the light-on-details presentation by President Barack Obama when announcing the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011.

2. "The thug who tried so hard to intimidate others spent his last moments in utter fear, in total panic and dread, terrified of the American forces bearing down on him."
Like I said, Trump is very interested in you knowing the gritty details -- with the primary aim of casting Baghdadi as a fearful wimp in his last moments.

3. "As you know, last month we announced that we recently killed Hamza bin Laden, the very violent son of Osama bin Laden, who was saying very bad things about people, about our country, about the world."
"Saying very bad things about people."

4. "Baghdadi has been on the run for many years, long before I took office. But at my direction, as commander-in-chief of the United States, we obliterated his caliphate 100% in March of this year."
It's not at all clear that 100% of the ISIS caliphate has been defeated -- or if that is even possible or what it would look like.

5. "Baghdadi was vicious and violent. And he died in a vicious and violent way, as a coward, running and crying."
Again, Trump is making very sure you know that the world knows that Baghdadi was no hero -- far from it.

6. "He died like a dog. He died like a coward."
So, yeah.

7. "I don't want to say how, but we had absolutely perfect -- as though you were watching a movie. It was -- that -- that in -- the technology there alone is -- is really great."
"As though you were watching a movie."

8. "Russia treated us great. They opened up. We had a fly over certain Russia areas, Russia-held areas. Russia was great."
[Vladimir Putin nods, smiles]

9. "Turkey -- we dealt with them. They knew we were going in. We flew over some territory. They were terrific. No problem. They were not problem."
Good job, Turkey. Thanks for letting us fly "over some territory!"

10. "We flew very, very low and very, very fast."
"Fast and Furious 20: Very, very low and very, very fast."

11. "They had the gunfire terminated immediately, meaning they were shot from the air ships."
Shot from the air ships, you say? Is that a technical term?

12. "And we would kill terrorist leaders but they were names I never heard of, they were names that weren't recognizable and they weren't the big names. Some good ones, some important ones, but they weren't the big names."
When killing terrorists, you always have to go for the big names. Also: Sort of weird that the President admits he didn't know the names of some of the terrorists the US has killed under his watch, no?

13. "You know, they use the internet better than almost anybody in the world, perhaps other than Donald Trump."
So, ISIS uses the Internet better than everyone except Donald Trump? OK, got it! Totally normal stuff here!

14. "And what they've done with the internet through recruiting and everything -- and that's why he died like a dog, he died like a coward. He was whimpering, screaming and crying."
These sentences are not edited at all. This is exactly what Trump said and in this order. Why did he switch from talking about the Internet to talking about, again, how Baghdadi died? (It was like a dog and a coward, FYI.) I have no idea.

15. "He didn't die a hero. He died a coward: crying, whimpering, screaming and bringing three kids with him to die."
OK, got it.

16. "I've been looking for him for three years. I've been looking for him."
"I've."

17. "We were going to notify them last night, but we decided not to do that because Washington leaks like I've never seen before."
This is big news. Usually in major operations like this one, the administration would alert top congressional leaders of both parties. Trump chose not to do that. "The House must be briefed on this raid, which the Russians but not top Congressional Leadership were notified of in advance, and on the Administration's overall strategy in the region," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (California) said in a statement.

18. "This is the biggest one perhaps that we've ever captured, because this is the one that built ISIS and beyond, and was looking to rebuild it again."
Even when it comes to capturing or killing terrorists, Trump has to be the biggest and the best. "The biggest one perhaps that we've ever captured."

19. "That was to notify you guys that you have something big this morning, so you wouldn't be out playing golf or tennis or otherwise being indisposed."
This is Trump's defense of his "Something very big has just happened!" tweet at 9:23 p.m., Eastern time on Saturday night. Worth noting: Trump plays golf at least once virtually every weekend.

20. "The Kurds have worked along incredibly with us, but, in all fairness, it was much easier dealing with the Kurds after they went through three days of fighting, because that was a brutal three days."
You mean when Turkey invaded northern Syria and started slaughtering Kurds? Yeah, that seems like it was a "brutal three days." For sure.

21. "Now, Russia likes us being there for two reasons, because we kill ISIS. We kill terrorists. And they're very close to Russia."
In summary: Russia likes us because they hate ISIS. And we kill terrorists. Any questions?

22. "Now, maybe they can get here, but we have done very well with homeland security and the ban, which, by the way, is approved by the United States Supreme Court, as you know."
Wait, so we are talking about the Muslim travel ban now? Why? How?

23. "But it's many thousands of miles away, whereas Russia is right there. Turkey is right there. Syria is there. They're all right there."
So, the United States is geographically further from Syria and Turkey than Russia? [Consults map] Yeah, this checks out.

24. "Excuse me. Iran is right there. Iraq is right there. They all hate ISIS."
Are we doing the thing where we name countries? Lichtenstein! San Marino!

25. "The European nations have been a tremendous disappointment, because I personally called, but my people called a lot, take your ISIS fighters. And they didn't want them."
Just a reminder: This is still Trump's "statement" on the death of Baghdadi. In case you forgot.

26. "They can't walk to our country. We have lots of water in between our country and them."
"This is an island surrounded by water, big water, ocean water." -- Donald Trump, on Puerto Rico

27. "If you read about the history of Donald Trump, I was a civilian. I had absolutely nothing to do with going into Iraq and I was totally against it."
First off, great third-person here by Trump. Second, he was not "totally against" the war in Iraq.

28. "Our K9, as they call -- I call it a dog, a beautiful dog, a talented dog -- was injured and brought back, but we had no soldier injured."
A "dog," you say? Can't say I'm familiar with the word.

29. "By the time those things went off, they had a beautiful big hole and they ran in and they got everybody by surprise."
The US troops blew a "beautiful big hole" in the area where Baghdadi was staying. And yes, Trump uses the word "beautiful" to describe all sorts of odd things.

30. "And as I said, they brought body parts back with them, et cetera, et cetera. There wasn't much left. The vest blew up, but there are still substantial pieces that they brought back."
Whole lotta detail here.

31. "Osama bin Laden was very big, but Osama bin Laden became big with the World Trade Center. This is a man who built a whole, as he would like to call it, a country, a caliphate, and was trying to do it again."
Again, Trump's obsession with being the biggest and the best is on full display here. People might think bin Laden was the biggest but it was actually Baghdadi!

32. "When we use our intelligence correctly, what we can do is incredible. When we waste our time with intelligence that hurts our country, because we had poor leadership at the top, that's not good."
In which the President takes a(nother) shot at the intelligence community during a statement on the death of an ISIS terrorist.

33. "And it's really a deserving name, intelligence. I have dealt with some people that aren't very intelligent having to do with intel. But this is the top people."
No words.

34. "There's a lot of Syrian people with lots of guns."
Uh, OK. So, uh, well, OK.

35. "But he was screaming, crying and whimpering. And he was scared out of his mind."
Again, for the people in the back.

36. "And then I also wanted Hamza bin Laden, because he's a young man, around 30, looks just like his father, tall, very handsome, and he was talking bad things just like his father."
On the one hand: Tall and handsome. On the other: Saying bad things.

37. "I wrote a book. A really very successful book. And in that book, about a year before the World Trade Center was blown up, I said there's somebody named Osama bin Laden, you better kill him or take him out, something to that effect, he's big trouble."
It will stun you to learn that this, in fact, is not true, as CNN's Daniel Dale noted in this fact check.

38. "And I'm writing a book. I think I wrote 12 books, all did very well."
... Said the President of the United States in a press conference announcing the death of an ISIS leader.

39. "And I'm saying to people, take out Osama bin Laden, that nobody ever heard of."
Trump's claim that no one had ever heard of bin Laden before September 11, 2001 is simply false.

40. "We had nobody even hurt. That's why the dog was so great."
Big dog energy.

41. "He was an animal. And he was a gutless animal."
This feels like as good a place as any to end.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/27/politics/donald-trump-baghdadi-death-isis/index.html
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Where is number 42?. I liked numbers 40,38,39,34,33- (grammar),28 and his grammatical use of the word "beautiful". Trump acted like he shot a prize on his safari. He is preparing for his debates against the unknown democratic challenger.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Honestly, I don't believe it, "but" there are times I think the verbiage gets dangerously close to at least sounding that way. Like, I'm not sure how to articulate this very well but at times it has come off like let's cheer for him to fail the American people, minorities, etc, just so we can point our finger at him. I don't believe that people (at least most) take it that far, but there have been times reading online comment sections (sometimes this place too), where it almost "sounds" that way. Which is partly why I don't hate him, there's much about the way he goes about his business, our business, I don't like, there are things he's done I have pretty passionately dis-liked, but returning his hate, with my hate, just doesn't make sense to me, no one really wins.
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I think it's both because of irony and because an awful lot of people are fearful that another term of Trump could spell an even worse disaster for the country as unbelievable as that sounds.
 
Wait, did he talk about writing a book, before 9/11 and mentioning OBL, but then later said he was only known because of the WTC attacks?
 
julius said:
Wait, did he talk about writing a book, before 9/11 and mentioning OBL, but then later said he was only known because of the WTC attacks?
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That was my understanding. I guess he was implying that he was somehow way ahead of the curve.
 
I hope they really got him
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Honestly, I don't believe it, "but" there are times I think the verbiage gets dangerously close to at least sounding that way. Like, I'm not sure how to articulate this very well but at times it has come off like let's cheer for him to fail the American people, minorities, etc, just so we can point our finger at him. I don't believe that people (at least most) take it that far, but there have been times reading online comment sections (sometimes this place too), where it almost "sounds" that way. Which is partly why I don't hate him, there's much about the way he goes about his business, our business, I don't like, there are things he's done I have pretty passionately dis-liked, but returning his hate, with my hate, just doesn't make sense to me, no one really wins.
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Now I feel guilt as Al Capone as I have done exactly what you mention about returning hate, for me its been the Clintons and Ill admit i've gotten caught up in it for some time. I don't like Trump for the person he is and feel it's a matter of time he'll be gone too.
Its real how people get got up in a frenzy about things and social media is certainly the gasoline that can ignite a wild fire of criticism and hate. Man, Im glad I didn't grow up as a young person in a time where 24/7 interference was constantly at eyes reach. But, here I am now all caught up and addicted to this site, maybe I need a shrink.
 
Hoopguru said:
But, here I am now all caught up and addicted to this site, maybe I need a shrink.
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Hoopguru said:
Now I feel guilt as Al Capone as I have done exactly what you mention about returning hate, for me its been the Clintons and Ill admit i've gotten caught up in it for some time. I don't like Trump for the person he is and feel it's a matter of time he'll be gone too.
Its real how people get got up in a frenzy about things and social media is certainly the gasoline that can ignite a wild fire of criticism and hate. Man, Im glad I didn't grow up as a young person in a time where 24/7 interference was constantly at eyes reach. But, here I am now all caught up and addicted to this site, maybe I need a shrink.
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The toughest thing I have to deal with when I go to church on Sunday is how do I deal with my hate for Trump? So far, I've come up with nothing. When I was younger, I had empathy for every human being whom I believe to all have souls. But getting back to Trump, that one is more of a large mountain than a hill to get over.
 
Surprised Trump didn't call him Al BigDaddy
 
Lanny said:
The toughest thing I have to deal with when I go to church on Sunday is how do I deal with my hate for Trump? So far, I've come up with nothing. When I was younger, I had empathy for every human being whom I believe to all have souls. But getting back to Trump, that one is more of a large mountain than a hill to get over.
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Anger, bitterness & resentment can chew a person up pretty good, and they not even know it.
Nobody is without fault of some kind, right?
When you and I go to church, well with me its not to often anymore, we are exposed to a doctrine that is built around creation, forgiveness & redemption. Thats heavy duty stuff.
I was raised in a fundamental Christian church but stop going a number of years back, but Ill confess there are some sound teachings regarding the power of love & forgiveness.
 
Hoopguru said:
Anger, bitterness & resentment can chew a person up pretty good, and they not even know it.
Nobody is without fault of some kind, right?
When you and I go to church, well with me its not to often anymore, we are exposed to a doctrine that is built around creation, forgiveness & redemption. Thats heavy duty stuff.
I was raised in a fundamental Christian church but stop going a number of years back, but Ill confess there are some sound teachings regarding the power of love & forgiveness.
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My church accepts science including evolution.
 
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