OT ACAB All Cops Are Bastards (yes EVERY one)

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You're entitled to your opinion, but I obviously disagree.
 
Everything Beagle said:
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Even if you don’t care about the racial breakdown, the number of murders by police is shocking. I don’t know how to tell you this but law enforcement should not be killing anyone, guilty or innocent. These are extra-judicial killings. These are murders. No murder is justified. Cops are Bastards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_by_law_enforcement._Rates_and_counts_by_country

The goal is zero. This is simple. Policing in the United States is a failure on all levels. It needs to be abolished and replaced. It cannot be reformed.
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The country is armed to the teeth and take fistfuls of pharmaceuticals to get through 60 hour work weeks. Zero is an impossible goal.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
The country is armed to the teeth and take fistfuls of pharmaceuticals to get through 60 hour work weeks. Zero is an impossible goal.
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This sort of fatalistic thinking makes me sad. Not as sad as the families of the thousands murdered by cops in that graph above, probably. But sad all the same.
 
Everything Beagle said:
lol if you are a bad cop you are a bastard. If you are a cop that doesn’t try to stop bad cops you are siding with the bad cops through inaction. You are a bastard. If you are a good cop who tries to stop bad cops, you are fired. You are no longer a cop.

All cops are bastards, because the cops don’t want cops in their ranks working against other cops.

Officer Friendly might seem nice but there’s a 24% chance he beats his wife and kids.

https://kutv.com/news/local/40-of-police-officer-families-experience-domestic-violence-study-says

(note I’m going with the much less salacious number here! And the national average is 10%)

If 24% of any employee base at any company in the world beat their families, and the company’s stores indicated that they had no intention of firing those people, would you trust that company? Would you want alternatives? Would you want reform?

Why defend these bastards? Why?
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Everything Beagle said:
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Even if you don’t care about the racial breakdown, the number of murders by police is shocking. I don’t know how to tell you this but law enforcement should not be killing anyone, guilty or innocent. These are extra-judicial killings. These are murders. No murder is justified. Cops are Bastards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_by_law_enforcement._Rates_and_counts_by_country

The goal is zero. This is simple. Policing in the United States is a failure on all levels. It needs to be abolished and replaced. It cannot be reformed.
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1. Wow...generalize much?..and what about the number of people who were killed by other people who were NOT cops?

2. Here's the number of people cops DIDN'T kill between 2017 and 2023...... 300,000,000
 
BlazerBender said:
Cop just trying to do his job required by him got him shot and im critical condition.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/07/26/deputy-shot-tualatin-people-asked-avoid-active-scene/

was this cop a bastard? Evil?

Cops are humans with families too.
Not all cops are good.
Not all cops are bad either.

why we are being pushed to care more about those who make poor decisions for themselves than those putting their lives at risk for the public, is mind boggling to me.
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Everything Beagle said:
This sort of fatalistic thinking makes me sad.
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only because you seem to fail to realize what cops are up against on a daily basis.
Please read the above quoted post and article.
If that too doesn't make you sad, the. That's very concerning.
One sided compassion for an issue affecting both sides is concerning, and to me, heartless.
The generalization is no better than saying all homosexuals are handsy perverts.

There are good cops out there trying to fight the system they work for. I know one first hand who lives in hillsboro. So you will never get me to agree all cops are bad.
Your blanket accusations do nothing to solve the problem and s tually only feed the fire. Until we as a ao iety can break down issues like this into detailed portions to deal with it wont be solved.
Running around yelling all cops are bad just continues the divide.
Its loke saying all blacks are criminals or all asians are poor drivers.
There is a history and track record that could somewhat justify these statements. Doesnt mean its true.

not all cops are bad. The sooner people realize this the sooner we can bridge the divide, fix the system and get rid of the many bad cops.

So are all black cops bastards too?


We must stop generalizing and labelling all as one l, if we are to fix anything my friend. It really does come down to acknowledging the details and separation of a bad cop, a bad system and a good cop trying to do good within a bad system.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Here's the number of people cops DIDN'T kill between 2017 and 2023...... 300,000,000
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What is this? Is this a threat? Like “just be glad they didn’t kill more!” Is this a real sentence you’re saying?

the United States is 29th in the world for highest murder rate by police. This is normalized for population differences. Do you know how many countries have a lower rate? Because I can tell you know it’s more than 29. Do you know how many had less than 10 total murdered?
 
bulls_with_booz said:
The country is armed to the teeth and take fistfuls of pharmaceuticals to get through 60 hour work weeks. Zero is an impossible goal.
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Its as if some completely forget the LA bank robbers in body armor. Or the countless cops killed on duty or the many other things cops have to deal with.
Its mentioned often on here how many guns are out there. If i was a cop, no matter the training id be on edge too. How many cops shot for a simple traffic stop as they walk up to the window? Can only happen so many times before a cop will hope for the best but expect the worst. Its survival instincts. But some expect cops to kick that instinct to the curb and.m continually put their lives aT risk without regard to their own safety.


not all cops are bad. Period.
 
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And the reasonability game begins again. I’m worked up so I must be less trustworthy than more level heads. I don’t have a solution in all my posts so my observations hold no merit. We can’t fix anything by being angry. Gotta work within the system.

Willfully blind obedience. Hope they use flavored polish on those boots.
 
Everything Beagle said:
the count of cops killed on duty is quite easy to count actually:

https://leb.fbi.gov/bulletin-highli...illed-in-the-line-of-duty-statistics-for-2021

73.

73 cops are murdered for every 1000+ they murder. Not countless. 73.
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what your stat doesn’t show is how many were “kill or be killed” because they were also being shot at?

you are correct. StTs are easy to look up.
So from 2020-2021 cops killed doubled. That alone is alarming. But you know whats more alarming?

the almost 60k cops assaulted in 2019. Are they not allowed to defend themselves, sometimes with their life on the line?
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fiel...cers-assaulted-and-killed-in-the-line-of-duty
 
Everything Beagle said:
And the reasonability game begins again. I’m worked up so I must be less trustworthy than more level heads. I don’t have a solution in all my posts so my observations hold no merit. We can’t fix anything by being angry. Gotta work within the system.

Willfully blind obedience. Hope they use flavored polish on those boots.
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im not sure what some of this means but im of the opinion neither side is being reasonable in this debate.
At any rate I do not want to provoke anger in you as anger rarely helps anything and most, including myself are rarely reasonable when anger is the prevailing emotion.
I will bow out of this to avoid further elevations of anger.
Please remember though. Gays are humans. Blacks are humans. Spanish are humans. Cops are also humans. No human is perfect.
Dogs are NOT humans!
 
BlazerBender said:
what your stat doesn’t show is how many were “kill or be killed” because they were also being shot at?

you are correct. StTs are easy to look up.
So from 2020-2021 cops killed doubled. That alone is alarming. But you know whats more alarming?

the almost 60k cops assaulted in 2019. Are they not allowed to defend themselves, sometimes with their life on the line?
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/fiel...cers-assaulted-and-killed-in-the-line-of-duty
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It doesn’t matter, they should not be judge jury and executioner! The fact that their job includes murdering people is A PROBLEM!!

(24% of 660k cops is more than 2x 60k, so even taking the number of officers assaulted into account it’s less than half the number of assaults cops make on their own families)

if the number of cop murders was less than the number of cops murdered it was merely be a tragic statistic that suggested the need to reform policing to be less escalatory and more about de-escalating a situation. As it stands the number disparity is so wild it proves my point more: cops have too much power, wielded with deadly force, when their job should not be to murder whoever they see fit to die.

I’m not religious person but THOU SHALT NOT KILL didn’t have an asterisk next to it.
 
Everything Beagle said:
It doesn’t matter, they should not be judge jury and executioner! The fact that their job includes murdering people is A PROBLEM!!

(24% of 660k cops is more than 2x 60k, so even taking the number of officers assaulted into account it’s less than half the number of assaults cops make on their own families)

if the number of cop murders was less than the number of cops murdered it was merely be a tragic statistic that suggested the need to reform policing to be less escalatory and more about de-escalating a situation. As it stands the number disparity is so wild it proves my point more: cops have too much power, wielded with deadly force, when their job should not be to murder whoever they see fit to die.

I’m not religious person but THOU SHALT NOT KILL didn’t have an asterisk next to it.
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have you ever literally have your life threatened by being shot at?

Im sorry but cop or not if one is being shot at and has a gun you really expect them to not shoot back?
I really dont think you are being reasonable.
Thou shall not kill is fine and dandy if all lived by that motus. However criminals do not. To expect a cop to sit and be shot at wothout defending themselves is simply ludicrous. Sometimes in defending oneself the other is harmed or killed.
This isnt some new revelation. This has been history throughout time. Why do you think people can use self defense as a legal mechanism when accused of violence? And if proven self defense how come they don't still do time if there is no asterisk?
I really think you aRe letting your anger outweigh your reasonability.
If someone is shooting at me and i have a gun, I'm going to shoot back until i can find a way out of that situation.
When its him or me, its ludicrous to think we should let it be me instead of him.

If someone is shooting at a cop, jury is over. There is nothing to prove guilt or innocence. Its not a court of law on the streets. Its often kill or be killed. To think people should let themselves be killed makes zero sense. Survival is instinctual. This includes cops.
 
My goodness, this thread has turned into comedic relief...it seems that someone needs a hug...and it ain't me.
 
Everything Beagle said:
This sort of fatalistic thinking makes me sad. Not as sad as the families of the thousands murdered by cops in that graph above, probably. But sad all the same.
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You want the conversation to move beyond the not all cops are bad stage, because at that level, no societal change ever happens, mostly just wheel spinning. I get that and sympathize. What I don't get is the weaponized guilt trip stuff, implying that my sad cynicism is some kind of a disrespect to the families of people killed by police. You're a sweetheart Beagle, but that's ice cold politics right there.
 
For the record @Everything Beagle
I consider the op of this thread a brother. I love him like a brother. We disagree on this topic and have butted heads many times over this. But we still hang out. He recorded vox on one of my songs on my album aNd i consider him one of the most respectable people i have ever met in my life.
My point being is we disagree on this but think nothing less of each other based on our differing opinions because we understand and recognize we both want what's best for all humans. I only hope that is something you to can achieve with those you disagree with on this.
 
BlazerBender said:
For the record @Everything Beagle
I consider the op of this thread a brother. I love him like a brother. We disagree on this topic and have butted heads many times over this. But we still hang out. He recorded vox on one of my songs on my album aNd i consider him one of the most respectable people i have ever met in my life.
My point being is we disagree on this but think nothing less of each other based on our differing opinions because we understand and recognize we both want what's best for all humans. I only hope that is something you to can achieve with those you disagree with on this.
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Can you even fathom the carnage in some cities if there were NO cops at all?... there would be bodies everywhere?
 
Gosh. It's almost like we should be doing everything in our power to do the things we KNOW reduce violent crime and suffering.

Universal healthcare, universal education, improve the social safety net to eliminate the possibility of undesired homelessness, and adopt a policing and prison policy 100% geared toward education and rehabilitation.

Then we can start working on negating the influence of corporate dollars on politics so we can have our country back.
 
yankeesince59 said:
1. Wow...generalize much?..and what about the number of people who were killed by other people who were NOT cops?

2. Here's the number of people cops DIDN'T kill between 2017 and 2023...... 300,000,000
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Question, are those individuals paid by tax payers to protect and serve said tax payers? If not, then...relevance? The defense of cops killing people has gotten so bad it's gone to, well, they kill less people than non cops? Really? Oof
 
The OP and title of this thread are not wrong. Doesn’t mean po’s are bastards 100% of the time. Doesn’t mean they aren’t victims at times. It takes a certain type of person to be a po, for better or worse.

but the OP and title are generic enough (to me) to cover most people and employment on this planet. But police take a higher ranking than most. What we (at least in America) have made of the position/job and the people that are employed in the positions are, IMO, incongruent and deplorable with what the public expectation is.

It’s possibly the most racially motivated or insensitive (for lack of a better word or verbiage at the moment, so possibly I’m shooting myself in the foot here) employment opportunity our country offers, along with political offices. Do the math there, folks.
 
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RR7 said:
Question, are those individuals paid by tax payers to protect and serve said tax payers? If not, then...relevance? The defense of cops killing people has gotten so bad it's gone to, well, they kill less people than non cops? Really? Oof
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When did I defend/say/imply that it's OK for cops to wrongly kill people?...I didn't.

And it's "relevant" because;

1. the OP/Title is not about whether or not Cops sometimes killing people is wrong, of course it's wrong, and anyone who argues otherwise is either sick or woefully misguided.

2. but instead the OP Title reads is "ACAB All Cops Are Bastards (yes EVERY one)"...and that statement is simply a broad and inaccurate generalization, sometimes called a "fallacy of composition".

 
RR7 said:
People don't choose to be gay. People don't choose to be black. People don't choose to be Spanish. People CHOOSE to be cops. There's a big difference..
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Yes, ALL people who "CHOOSE to be cops", only do it so they can arbitrarily kill people and be referred to as "bastards".
 
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