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Fez Hammersticks

Fez Hammersticks

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Brandon Roy is disappointed and will make a statement this week. This can't be good.

Awesome off-season so far! :doh:
 
Fez said:
Brandon Roy is disappointed and will make a statement this week. This can't be good.

Awesome off-season so far! :doh:
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Considering Quick and Canzano's only source on this story is B-Roy's agent, I can't really see how we can hold more weight on Roy's Party Line over The Blazer's Party Line. The fact is, they're just negotiating by using the press against each other.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Considering Quick and Canzano's only source on this story is B-Roy's agent, I can't really see how we can hold more weight on Roy's Party Line over The Blazer's Party Line. The fact is, they're just negotiating by using the press against each other.
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Come again? Brandon stated publicly that he's disappointed in the interview he gave on the Seattle airwaves, that's got nothing to do with his agent.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Considering Quick and Canzano's only source on this story is B-Roy's agent, I can't really see how we can hold more weight on Roy's Party Line over The Blazer's Party Line. The fact is, they're just negotiating by using the press against each other.
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Untrue. Roy made comments on KJR and texted Brian Wheeler after his own interview on The Game.

At some point, some of you have to stop blaming the media for merely reporting (accurately) what Roy is saying to the media. Whether Roy is right or wrong is the starting point for debate. Is he worth a 5 year deal, or is he not worth a 5 year deal? Let's be fair and start from there.
 
This will probably go one of two ways. Either the shit will hit the fan, or he'll just say that he hopes he can come to an agreement before the season starts (or whatever cut-off date it is) and if not he won't talk about it during the season and we'll jump off that bridge when we get to it.

Who am I kidding...it's panic mode!
 
Nikolokolus said:
Come again? Brandon stated publicly that he's disappointed in the interview he gave on the Seattle airwaves, that's got nothing to do with his agent.
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Right... nothing at all. You don't think Roy's being coached by his agent? That his agentisn't telling him what to say in this very sensitive period of negotiation?
 
Here's what I'd like to know:

Is Brandon disappointed because he wants to be in Portland for a long time or is he disappointed because he wants to get paid what he feels he is worth (and I agree he's worth the max)?
 
PapaG said:
Untrue. Roy made comments on KJR and texted Brian Wheeler after his own interview on The Game.
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That move reeks of "coached by the agent" to me. It did when it happened, and it does now. It seems awfully naive to think that a public figure with millions on the line would speak truthfully about a deal in progress. You certainly don't take KP at his word, so why should you take Roy at his?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
Right... nothing at all. You don't think Roy's being coached by his agent? That his agentisn't telling him what to say in this very sensitive period of negotiation?
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So in one post, you now admit that Roy actually said those things, and that the media (i.e. Quick/Canzano) weren't lying?

What a reversal.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
That move reeks of "coached by the agent" to me. It did when it happened, and it does now. It seems awfully naive to think that a public figure with millions on the line would speak truthfully about a deal in progress. You certainly don't take KP at his word, so why should you take Roy at his?
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I guess you should have posted that in your first post. Now, it seems like a pathetic attempt to try and mask your own ignorance. "Coached" or otherwise, Brandon said those words.
 
BengalDuck said:
Didn't Wheeler report this same thing on Friday?
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Yes he did, this is old news.

And BC is right, there is no way his agent is going to allow him to say, "I want to be in Portland no matter what, it's not about the money, it's just about the years." or anything that shows any give.

I still think the agent is tying Roy and LMA extensions together, but I have no proof of that, so unlike Canzano I feel like I shouldn't state it as fact.
 
PapaG said:
So in one post, you now admit that Roy actually said those things, and that the media (i.e. Quick/Canzano) weren't lying?

What a reversal.
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I forgot about the text and WA interview, but they only serve to reinforce my point. ROY IS BEING COACHED ON WHAT TO SAY. It's a public negotiation, and every word, text or otherwise, is being coached by his agent. For all intents and purposes, every word out of Roy's mouth right now is the Agent Party Line. Ergo, the only real source of information right now is BRANDON ROY'S AGENT.
 
Negotiations aren't fun for a lot of people. Things are generally forgotten once the contract is signed.
 
Pritchard is apparently playing hardball. So is Roy, clearly. I don't fault either of them for doing that. They both should work in the best interests of themselves/the entity they represent.
 
PapaG said:
I guess you should have posted that in your first post. Now, it seems like a pathetic attempt to try and mask your own ignorance. "Coached" or otherwise, Brandon said those words.
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I see now that I set you on Ignore for a reason, and made a mistake and taking you off. There's no need to be belligerent about this. Quit acting like a jackass; you're usually better than this.
 
maxiep said:
Negotiations aren't fun for a lot of people. Things are generally forgotten once the contract is signed.
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And they are not forgotten once the contract isn't signed.
 
I don't blame Roy at all.

He's done everything to get a max deal with max years. I said this before, If I were in his position I'd get out of here as soon as I could and go to a team who has the confidence to commit for the 5 years.

Screw KP. Or maybe KP has nothing to do with this whole fiasco.

Fuck you, Vulcan!
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I see now that I set you on Ignore for a reason, and made a mistake and taking you off. There's no need to be belligerent about this. Quit acting like a jackass; you're usually better than this.
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I wasn't "belligerent" at all. You said Roy never said those words; I proved he did say those words multilple times in multiple threads. Then you said that means he is being "coached". Perhaps, but having me point out facts to you is no reason to put me on "ignore", is it? It appears you actually learned something from me tonight.
 
PapaG said:
And they are not forgotten once the contract isn't signed.
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I definitely agree with you there. IF KP screws the pooch on this, I'm done with Pritchard, I'm done with Vulcan, I'm done with Allen, and I'm done with the Blazers until all three are gone.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
I definitely agree with you there. IF KP screws the pooch on this, I'm done with Pritchard, I'm done with Vulcan, I'm done with Allen, and I'm done with the Blazers until all three are gone.
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I thought you were ignoring me? I'm offended that you want to actually hear some critical thinking on the matter. ;)
 
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PapaG said:
I wasn't "belligerent" at all. You said Roy never said those words; I proved he did say those words multilple times in multiple threads. Then you said that means he is being "coached". Perhaps, but having me point out facts to you is no reason to put me on "ignore", is it? It appears you actually learned something from me tonight.
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You were on my Ignore list long ago, for trying so fucking hard to be right. For getting people with gotcha's. And yes, you are belligerent about it. You push and prod and push and push until you get that admission. So here it is. I was wrong on something. There you go.

I WAS WRONG AND YOU WERE RIGHT.
I had taken you off ignore because I try to get over people's shitty posts occasionally, and turn over a new leaf. Now that I've satisfied you, I'm going to put you back on ignore, because you are pretty insufferable.
 
Blazers Edge

We're certainly hearing a lot about this in the papers and on the radio. Everybody can relax. Brandon Roy is the cornerstone of this franchise. The Blazers are not going to let Brandon Roy go anywhere. Everyone from the guy who picks up stray Blazer Dancer sequins off of the court to the hugest stuffed shirt at Vulcan headquarters knows that the team would nosedive on the court and in the court of public opinion should Roy leave. You simply couldn't manufacture a bigger energy-sucking, ticket-refund-demanding buzzkill. They know that they can't even let Roy get to restricted free agency. Brandon Roy is going to get what Brandon Roy wants.

So far everybody has been focusing on identifying the source holding up the inevitable. Is it Pritchard? Is it Allen? Is it the Vulcan execs? That's not the critical point here. Wherever it's coming from, the wrangling and posturing is not about Brandon Roy. If this roster looked like San Antonio's Roy would already have his deal. But it doesn't. Right behind Roy comes a veritable herd of young, talented players up for contract negotiations in the next few years.

The most immediate of them is LaMarcus Aldridge who, by the way, has the exact same agent as Roy. The Blazers don't want to offer LaMarcus a five-year max deal, at least not without a fight. But they can't very well skip blithely into Brandon Roy's arms, give him an instant max extension, hold a celebratory parade down Broadway, and then start playing hardball with Aldridge. That would look disrespectful and cheese everybody off. They have to at least fight with Roy if they're going to fight with LaMarcus. The reality is they're probably going to have to make both contracts equal but you can understand them wanting to split the difference in cost between the two players rather than automatically maxing them both. I don't think it's going to work, but you can see where they'd try.

LaMarcus isn't the end of the story either. Greg Oden will be coming up in a couple years. He's the kind of player who seems to demand a maximum offer but hasn't played like a max guy yet. Rudy Fernandez, Nicolas Batum, and Jerryd Bayless are possibilities on the horizon as well. Any of those players who remain with the team, provided they grow reasonably, will be making their cases for huge deals. It's going to be difficult to start pulling the hard-case negotiation routine with any of them (particularly Oden) if you've been auto-maxing the players who came before. But if you negotiated hard with Roy, which Blazer will you not negotiate with? This is a complex arena. It's like poker with the agents and players. Even if you know you're going to fold a hand you still want to protect your table image so people don't think you're easy. So you posture before you fold, stare them down, make them a little nervous that you really do have something and if they raise you again you're going to call them on it. If you have to lose you want to lose a hand, not the whole shooting match.

The economic realities of the situation also give the Blazers incentive to chew on this a while. Two max deals over five years runs into the mid-$100 million range in real money. You're going to take a deep breath before you sign those papers no matter who that money is going to. Plus you have a double-whammy with the salary cap and luxury tax threshold declining already and more forecast to come added in with a new CBA being negotiated. That makes every long-term contract risky. You can't predict how those numbers will affect the team. Executives, whether of basketball or business variety, hate having to operate on incomplete information. Shaving a year off reduces the risk. The team would be foolish not to try and get those terms. Again, it probably won't work, but they have to try. If it takes a game of contract chicken, well, these wouldn't be the first negotiations in which that happened. Most of the time the player stays put and everyone walks away happy.

Have you ever been out biking and crested the top of a huge hill, suddenly looking down at a steep, half-mile slope ahead of you? That's where the Blazers are right now. They pedaled like heck to get here but now the grade changes precipitously. They're going to pick up speed whether they want to or not. They can't adjust much or turn around after this point. If they blow it there are going to be dire consequences. Right now you're watching them do what all of us do in that situation. They're putting on the brakes, slowing down a little, making sure they get a good, safe start so they're not wildly out of control halfway down. If you have any doubts about whether they'll go, remember that they came here specifically to take this ride. It'll happen.
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BlazerCaravan said:
Considering Quick and Canzano's only source on this story is B-Roy's agent, I can't really see how we can hold more weight on Roy's Party Line over The Blazer's Party Line. The fact is, they're just negotiating by using the press against each other.
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Don't you know that you can't have any actual business acumen here? You have to react in a knee-jerk emotional way!!!!!!!!!
 
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