According to Wayne Winston, The Blazers have been good lately because ...

[Nikolokolus]

of Andre Miller and Jerryd Bayless.

http://waynewinston.com/wordpress/?p=326

Roy and Webster rank pretty high on his list too.

 

[BasX]

56 NBA Players > Yi

 

[BrianFromWA]

In my ignorance, I have no idea who Winston is. Is he like a Hollinger?

Good to see 4 Blazers in the top 20. Somewhat expected, though,off of a 4-1 run, right?

 

[BrianFromWA]

56 NBA Players > Yi

...who's finallly been playing All-Star level ball recently .

 

[Nikolokolus]

In my ignorance, I have no idea who Winston is. Is he like a Hollinger?

Good to see 4 Blazers in the top 20. Somewhat expected, though,off of a 4-1 run, right?

Wayne Winston is a professor at Indiana university and has been the Mavericks advanced statistics guru for awhile now, he's sort of the go to guy for adjusted +/-

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

LaMarcus should be ashamed.

 

[mgb]

So if you are real consistent you'd be low on this rating, right?

 

[Luther]

So if you are real consistent you'd be low on this rating, right?

I think it is pretty dependent on +/-....No efficiency statistics are flawless.

 

[Nikolokolus]

So if you are real consistent you'd be low on this rating, right?

Nope (unless you mean consistently bad)

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Luol Deng at number 5. I don't get what's going on with Chicago. Would they like to unload his salary? I read somewhere he's best when he plays the 4. If he came here, he could play the 5!

 

[Boob-No-More]

...who's finallly been playing All-Star level ball recently .

Haven't you heard? They expanded the all-star rosters to 28 per side this year. Yi and Bargnani are battling it out for the last spot in the East.

Meanwhile in the West, Deron Williams gets snubbed again.

BNM

 

[KingSpeed]

Just as I suspected all along:

Blake > Kobe Bryant

Yi > Steve Nash

 

[Boob-No-More]

Just as I suspected all along:

Blake > Kobe Bryant

Yi > Steve Nash

This is exactly why people with a functioning brain shout BULLSHIT whenever anyone tries to use +/- with a limited sample size as a measure of individual performance.

It's the most misused, misunderstood stat in the history of sports.

But hey, it gives clueless posters in internet discussion boards fuel for their ridiculous arguments - and gives everyone else a chance to laugh at their stupidity. So, it's not totally useless.

BNM

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

This is exactly why people with a functioning brain shout BULLSHIT whenever anyone tries to use +/- with a limited sample size as a measure of individual performance.

It's the most misused, misunderstood stat in the history of sports.

But hey, it gives clueless posters in internet discussion boards fuel for their ridiculous arguments - and gives everyone else a chance to laugh at their stupidity. So, it's not totally useless.

BNM

Just as I suspected KS > BNM...from your +/- numbers of course...

 

[Boob-No-More]

Just as I suspected KS > BNM...from your +/- numbers of course...

Dammit, I NEED a better supporting cast. Come on guys, turn it up a notch. I can't win by myself. You need to start pulling your weight around here.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

Dammit, I NEED a better supporting cast. Come on guys, turn it up a notch. I can't win by myself. You need to start pulling your weight around here.

Great leadership skills, right here, BNM. Pointing fingers and all.

Anyway, why do you care if you win an argument with KS? That's not exactly something you can out on your resume and point to as a great achievement, is it?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Great leadership skills, right here, BNM. Pointing fingers and all.

Jordan used to berated his teammates when they weren't pulling their weight. He always expected the best from himself and those around him - and he never settled for less. That's what made him great.

Anyway, why do you care if you win an argument with KS? That's not exactly something you can out on your resume and point to as a great achievement, is it?

The true greats HATE losing - ALL losing. Losing an argument to KS is like Jordan getting outscored by Rex Chapman or LaBradford Smith. Sure, play the game long enough and it's bound to happen. That doesn't mean you have to like it, or even tolerate it.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

Jordan used to berated his teammates when they weren't pulling their weight. He always expected the best from himself and those around him - and he never settled for less. That's what made him great.

I do not see a Scotty Pippen walking through this Forum door.

Which leads me to think, that maybe, you are not Jordan.

The true greats HATE losing - ALL losing. Losing an argument to KS is like Jordan getting outscored by Rex Chapman or LaBradford Smith. Sure, play the game long enough and it's bound to happen. That doesn't mean you have to like it, or even tolerate it.

Sorry, but if Jordan was bragging about beating the PSU bench warmers - no-one would look at him and admire him. KS is no Rex Chapman, my friend.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Dammit, I NEED a better supporting cast. Come on guys, turn it up a notch. I can't win by myself. You need to start pulling your weight around here.

BNM

Dude, it is just after the holidays. Nothing short of a bulldozer is going to pull my weight!

 

[BrianFromWA]

BNM, just make sure to shake hands after the loss. No one likes a sore loser.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I thought it was all because of Nate?

 

[mgb]

Nope (unless you mean consistently bad)

I thought what he was rating was improvements over the last how every many games/days. So if someone was 20/10 before and then went 20-10 through the games/days since he'd be 0 on that because he hadn't improved. Right?

Reading it again it looks like he's going with the league average?

 

[Nikolokolus]

I thought what he was rating was improvements over the last how every many games/days. So if someone was 20/10 before and then went 20-10 through the games/days since he'd be 0 on that because he hadn't improved. Right?

Reading it again it looks like he's going with the league average?

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about

 

[Minstrel]

I thought what he was rating was improvements over the last how every many games/days. So if someone was 20/10 before and then went 20-10 through the games/days since he'd be 0 on that because he hadn't improved. Right?

Reading it again it looks like he's going with the league average?

Yeah, I think Winston's numbers are given relative to a standard baseline (either average or "replacement"...which is a concept meaning a freely-available player, like a D-League player). Not relative to the player's own usual performance or anything.

In general, +/- is simply how the team does with the player on the court as opposed to how the team does with the player on the bench. People like Winston further adjust that to account for the players (teammates and opponents) on the floor at the same time.

 

[mook]

You look at the box scores and it's not like Bayless and Miller are really blowing you away with great stats. Well, Bayless had the two great games, but we've won 8 of the last 10 when we really should've been (at best) .500 over this stretch.

It just seems to me that Bayless and Miller are doing a much better job on the defensive end at containing opposing teams' back courts than Blake/Webster did. And those two guys are getting a ton of dribble penetration, which is preventing teams from keying in on Roy exclusively.

 

[blue32]

You look at the box scores and it's not like Bayless and Miller are really blowing you away with great stats. Well, Bayless had the two great games, but we've won 8 of the last 10 when we really should've been (at best) .500 over this stretch.

It just seems to me that Bayless and Miller are doing a much better job on the defensive end at containing opposing teams' back courts than Blake/Webster did. And those two guys are getting a ton of dribble penetration, which is preventing teams from keying in on Roy exclusively.

Totally agree on this.... Even if Bayless's shot isn't falling, he still is a good perimeter D player, and doesn't cause others to help him often.

 

[hasoos]

I think a big reason the team is actually playing well is the rotation has been shortened. Guys are actually getting used to playing with each other. That and the improved paint pressure from the guards. I expected Bayless to have some downturn in his offense once he began to being scouted. I have noticed in several games lately that teams actually double him sometimes. The thing about Bayless though, is even when his shot isn't falling he gets to the line.