Actual MVP Race

[PtldPlatypus]

Jimmy Butler just won EC player of the week. He also won player of the month previously.

He absolutely belongs in the MVP discussion, as well as MIP (MIP is a slam dunk).

Not only will he get votes for DPOY, he's currently averaging 22.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.6 SPG with a 22.8 PER - all numbers worthy of MVP consideration.

How can he be in all of those conversations if Anthony Davis is supposed to win all those awards?

 

[Denny Crane]

How can he be in all of those conversations if Anthony Davis is supposed to win all those awards?

One is playing on the #1 ranked team in the ESPN power rankings?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

One is playing on the #1 ranked team in the ESPN power rankings?

Yes, but the other is ranked #1 on the Kingspeed player power rankings.

Maybe I should save Eric the trouble: "Butler is garbage"

 

[cmeese47]

Aldridge is not even a viable candidate in the MVP conversation. He is having a worse year statistically than he did last year and with so much influence on advanced metrics he will get ripped apart for his 45% shooting. Lillard has been clutch, he has a higher PER than Aldridge and much more national recognition if any Blazer will get votes it will be him and him alone.

The race will come down to Harden, Curry, and Lebron. Anthony Davis should be in the consideration but won't be since the Pelicans will struggle to win more than 40 games. Westbrook will get in the conversation too if the Thunder bounce back and finish top 3 out west.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes, but the other is ranked #1 on the Kingspeed player power rankings.

Maybe I should save Eric the trouble: "Butler is garbage"

The question we bulls fans are asking is, "Is Butler for real?"

 

[cmeese47]

The question we bulls fans are asking is, "Is Butler for real?"

Watching him play you can see he is for real. He might not ever be an elite shooter but the way he is scoring by aggressively attacking the basket will keep him from regressing. At worst he is Rudy Gay with better Def, at best he is a more aggressive version of Paul George. The dude is going to make bank.

 

[Draco]

The Blazers are too balanced of a team to win an mvp. That's a good thing. Dame took one shot in the first half against New York and we were winning by 20. I like how Dame picks his spots and allows teammates to flourish. It makes our team better but hurts his chances of an mvp.

It's not even a lock we get two all stats this year. Spurs had zero allstars last year and destroyed everyone in the playoffs.

 

[Boise Blazer]

The Blazers are too balanced of a team to win an mvp. That's a good thing. Dame took one shot in the first half against New York and we were winning by 20. I like how Dame picks his spots and allows teammates to flourish. It makes our team better but hurts his chances of an mvp.

It's not even a lock we get two all stats this year. Spurs had zero allstars last year and destroyed everyone in the playoffs.

Makes you wonder what his stats would be like on a bad team or fringe playoff team

 

[Draco]

Curry Kobe will be starting all star game. CP3, Harden, Westbrook are top reserves. If no other guards make it it's possible Lillard and or LMA are left off the team. I'd still lean towards Lillard getting in but nothing is guaranteed.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Curry Kobe will be starting all star game. CP3, Harden, Westbrook are top reserves. If no other guards make it it's possible Lillard and or LMA are left off the team. I'd still lean towards Lillard getting in but nothing is guaranteed.

Is it bad to want Lillard and LaMarcus to be snubbed? Every year LA was snubbed, he went HAM after the break. I bet Lillard would do the same.

 

[KingSpeed]

Yes, but the other is ranked #1 on the Kingspeed player power rankings.

Maybe I should save Eric the trouble: "Butler is garbage"

If you had read the thread, you'd have seen that I already agreed Butler has a chance.

 

[Denny Crane]

If you had read the thread, you'd have seen that I already agreed Butler has a chance.

Is he for real?

 

[KingSpeed]

Curry Kobe will be starting all star game. CP3, Harden, Westbrook are top reserves. If no other guards make it it's possible Lillard and or LMA are left off the team. I'd still lean towards Lillard getting in but nothing is guaranteed.

Lillard deserves it over Paul and Westbrook.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you had read the thread, you'd have seen that I already agreed Butler has a chance.

Oh Eric, so sensitive...

 

[cmeese47]

Lillard deserves it over Paul and Westbrook.

Why Westbrook has a 32 PER and doing everything he can to keep the Thunder in contention, he has been a monster.
Paul has been more efficient than Lillard and is a more true PG.
Lillard has a great case for an All Star birth and deserves to go over Kobe but not necessarily over Westbrook or Paul.

 

[magnifier661]

Jimmy Butler just won EC player of the week. He also won player of the month previously.

He absolutely belongs in the MVP discussion, as well as MIP (MIP is a slam dunk).

Not only will he get votes for DPOY, he's currently averaging 22.2 PPG, 6.2 RPG, 3.2 APG, 1.6 SPG with a 22.8 PER - all numbers worthy of MVP consideration.

MIP is a lock for him, as long as he stays healthy. The problem with MVP is the record will dictate the outcome of the vote. If he does win it, I wouldn't be surprised though

 

[cmeese47]

MIP is a lock for him, as long as he stays healthy. The problem with MVP is the record will dictate the outcome of the vote. If he does win it, I wouldn't be surprised though

I just dont see him putting big enough individual numbers to generate the award. Not with Westbrook and Davis Posting 32+ PER's and the silly numbers Curry, and Harden put up. Plus then you have the Lebron factor. MIP, All-star, NBA All Defense all are possible even likely but MVP is likely not possible.

 

[magnifier661]

I just dont see him putting big enough individual numbers to generate the award. Not with Westbrook and Davis Posting 32+ PER's and the silly numbers Curry, and Harden put up. Plus then you have the Lebron factor. MIP, All-star, NBA All Defense all are possible even likely but MVP is likely not possible.

Harden has been shooting terrible and is a turn over machine. I don't see him making too much noise. Westbrook really can't win if he's leading a bottom 8 playoff team. As amazing as AD is, no player has ever won the MVP when their team didn't make the playoffs.

Curry, Aldridge and Gasol would be my top 3 candidates.

 

[cmeese47]

Harden has been shooting terrible and is a turn over machine. I don't see him making too much noise. Westbrook really can't win if he's leading a bottom 8 playoff team. As amazing as AD is, no player has ever won the MVP when their team didn't make the playoffs.

Curry, Aldridge and Gasol would be my top 3 candidates.

Aldridge is not even the best player on this team he has zero chance. I would put him behind Lowry and Wall.

Granted no player ever has won the award without a winning team but if he continues this pace AD will have the highest PER ever recorded in NBA history. That would give him a real shot. Also to be fair Westbrook is also on that pace.

 

[Denny Crane]

https://origin.nba.com/2014/news/fe...paul-millsap-driving-atlanta-hawks/index.html

#1 Marc Gasol with a 23 PER
#2 Stephen Curry
#3 Anthony Davis
#4 James Harden
#5 James Wall
#6 LeBron James
#7 Kyle Lowry
#8 Paul Milsap
#9 LaMarcus Aldridge
#10 Blake Griffin

The next five: Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City Thunder; Klay Thompson, Golden State Warriors; Jimmy Butler, Chicago Bulls; Monta Ellis, Dallas Mavericks; Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs

 

[Strenuus]

Aldridge is not even the best player on this team he has zero chance. I would put him behind Lowry and Wall.

Granted no player ever has won the award without a winning team but if he continues this pace AD will have the highest PER ever recorded in NBA history. That would give him a real shot. Also to be fair Westbrook is also on that pace.

why have any other stat? apparently per is the only one needed to justify anything.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

https://origin.nba.com/2014/news/fe...paul-millsap-driving-atlanta-hawks/index.html

#1 Marc Gasol with a 23 PER
#2 Stephen Curry
#3 Anthony Davis
#4 James Harden
#5 James Wall
#6 LeBron James
#7 Kyle Lowry
#8 Paul Milsap
#9 LaMarcus Aldridge
#10 Blake Griffin

The next five: Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City Thunder; Klay Thompson, Golden State Warriors; Jimmy Butler, Chicago Bulls; Monta Ellis, Dallas Mavericks; Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs

Millsap over Aldridge? Sure, why not. Teague would probably be ahead of Lillard too... <smh>

 

[cmeese47]

why have any other stat? apparently per is the only one needed to justify anything.

Advanced metrics like PER are major criteria for votes. A teams win loss record and a player reputation are contributing factors.

Aldridge has a lower PER than Lillard and most other candidates his TS% is pathetic at .514 and his real defensive plus minus numbers rank him 47th among PF's. Aside from that Lillard has hit the clutch shots that generate media attention and buzz. The team is winning so he will get some credit there but none of that IMO gives him anything close to a realistic shot at the MVP.

 

[Denny Crane]

Millsap over Aldridge? Sure, why not. Teague would probably be ahead of Lillard too... <smh>

Not my list. But Atlanta is 2-8 and Milsap is their star player. He was an all-star last year.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Not my list. But Atlanta is 2-8 and Milsap is their star player. He was an all-star last year.

Sure, but the Blazers are a better team, with a better record, in the better conference, and Aldridge scores and rebounds more than Millsap does. I get Millsap being an all-star, sure--but 8th on the MVP list, putting up 16 & 8? I don't think so.

BTW--wasn't critiquing you, just the list you posted. If it were your list, I'm sure Butler would have been much higher.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sure, but the Blazers are a better team, with a better record, in the better conference, and Aldridge scores and rebounds more than Millsap does. I get Millsap being an all-star, sure--but 8th on the MVP list, putting up 16 & 8? I don't think so.

KIA thinks so, and the award is named the KIA MVP award. Go figure

 

[andalusian]

KIA thinks so, and the award is named the KIA MVP award. Go figure

That's what happens when you let hamsters vote.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

James Wall? Come on...

 

[Strenuus]

Advanced metrics like PER are major criteria for votes. A teams win loss record and a player reputation are contributing factors.

Aldridge has a lower PER than Lillard and most other candidates his TS% is pathetic at .514 and his real defensive plus minus numbers rank him 47th among PF's. Aside from that Lillard has hit the clutch shots that generate media attention and buzz. The team is winning so he will get some credit there but none of that IMO gives him anything close to a realistic shot at the MVP.

Never said Aldridge should be in mvp discussions. i agreed with you there. but using one stat is dumb, whether coming from a fan or an 'expert'.