Afghanistan to back Pakistan if wars with U.S.

[SlyPokerDog]

http://news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-back-pakistan-wars-u-karzai-023316217.html

"God forbid, If ever there is a war between Pakistan and America, Afghanistan will side with Pakistan," he said in the interview to Geo television.

"If Pakistan is attacked and if the people of Pakistan needs Afghanistan's help, Afghanistan will be there with you."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Time for us to take our troops and billions of dollars and go home.

 

[barfo]

Man, that would mean we'd be at war with Afghanistan.

Hope that doesn't happen!

barfo

 

[jlprk]

Time for us to take our troops and billions of dollars and go home.

What are you talking about, traitor? This strikes rage into the heart of every red-blooded American. Let's go there and show them democracy.

 

[Natebishop3]

There won't be a war. There will be a quick series of air strikes that sets Pakistan back a few decades.

 

[jlprk]

A few years for their economy, but a few weeks for their strike back.. A nuclear power historically allied with China with 60% the population of the U.S...they don't need ICBMs to get atomic bombs into our cities.

Maybe it would be best not to make enemies with them.

 

[MARIS61]

I'm pretty sure we've been at war with them for awhile already.

They hid our declared #1 enemy for years and we invaded their country and killed him and others. We've killed hundreds or thousands of Pakistani citizens with drones and assassinations for several years now, and it's obvious they have aided and abetted our enemies over and over.

If that isn't war, what is?

 

[BrianFromWA]

A few years for their economy, but a few weeks for their strike back.. A nuclear power historically allied with China with 60% the population of the U.S...they don't need ICBMs to get atomic bombs into our cities.

Maybe it would be best not to make enemies with them.

how, exactly, do you think they'll get atomic bombs into our cities if not with ICBMs?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

how, exactly, do you think they'll get atomic bombs into our cities if not with ICBMs?

The Port of Los Angles is a huge concern.

 

[BrianFromWA]

at the risk of trying to sound more important than I am...do you think that "huge concerns" dealing with security aren't addressed at some pretty high levels....ones that, potentially, casual board posters may not know about?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

at the risk of trying to sound more important than I am...do you think that "huge concerns" dealing with security aren't addressed at some pretty high levels....ones that, potentially, casual board posters may not know about?

Why yes, I know our government is concerned about just that scenario.

You asked "how, exactly, do you think they'll get atomic bombs into our cities if not with ICBMs?" and I answered. I know the security has increased at our nation's ports but it is still a concern. And that's a good thing.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I guess I was going off of his prescription of "best not to make enemies with them."

First, it takes to to make an enemy.
Second, most people in the US, even after 10 years of war, can't point out Pakistan on a map.
Third, with the money that we donate to Pakistan, and how the Chinese are having problems with private companies investing there (partially b/c it's a craphole, partially b/c it's an insecure craphole), they're not in the position to just say "take your money and eff you, USA."

And the reason to "not make enemies" is b/c they are a nuclear power that doesn't need ICBMs to get atomic bombs into our cities?
I don't buy that.

 

[huevonkiller]

I guess I was going off of his prescription of "best not to make enemies with them."

First, it takes to to make an enemy.
Second, most people in the US, even after 10 years of war, can't point out Pakistan on a map.
Third, with the money that we donate to Pakistan, and how the Chinese are having problems with private companies investing there (partially b/c it's a craphole, partially b/c it's an insecure craphole), they're not in the position to just say "take your money and eff you, USA."

And the reason to "not make enemies" is b/c they are a nuclear power that doesn't need ICBMs to get atomic bombs into our cities?
I don't buy that.

Pakistan is so pathetic, I would love to end our aid to them. This government is soft.

 

[BrianFromWA]

We've been giving it (almost 10B total, iirc) for 60 years. The reasons for doing so have not changed...people there are still poor, uneducated and lacking in basic services. Whether you see that as a good use of taxpayer money or not, it's what it is.

It's not a "this gov't" thing.

 

[huevonkiller]

We've been giving it (almost 10B total, iirc) for 60 years. The reasons for doing so have not changed...people there are still poor, uneducated and lacking in basic services. Whether you see that as a good use of taxpayer money or not, it's what it is.

It's not a "this gov't" thing.

Actually it is a "this gov't" thing. I know a lot of republicans who want to stop foreign aid.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Foreign aid to Pakistan, or foreign aid in general? We give all over the world, and while Pakistani aid isn't trivial, it isn't close to the largest amount we spend.

 

[huevonkiller]

Foreign aid to Pakistan, or foreign aid in general? We give all over the world, and while Pakistani aid isn't trivial, it isn't close to the largest amount we spend.

Yes all foreign aid, because it doesn't make sense. Giving money to corrupt governments is dumb.

 

[BrianFromWA]

some say it's the cost of doing business.

Instead of looking at it like "50% of every dollar ends up in (Corrupt Dictator X)'s hands," some look at it as "50 cents of every dollar makes it to some starving AIDS orphan, or keeps a 10 y/o in school instead of toting an AK-47, or teaches some backwoods farmer how to use his 1/4 acre more efficiently, or gives a widow a microloan to start up a cell phone rental business." That it costs $.50 to get that $.50 there can be considered "overhead."

If you think that's stupid, there are many that agree with you. I'd rather not just kiss off over half the planet to starvation and disease if it can be helped in any way.

 

[huevonkiller]

some say it's the cost of doing business.

Instead of looking at it like "50% of every dollar ends up in (Corrupt Dictator X)'s hands," some look at it as "50 cents of every dollar makes it to some starving AIDS orphan, or keeps a 10 y/o in school instead of toting an AK-47, or teaches some backwoods farmer how to use his 1/4 acre more efficiently, or gives a widow a microloan to start up a cell phone rental business." That it costs $.50 to get that $.50 there can be considered "overhead."

If you think that's stupid, there are many that agree with you. I'd rather not just kiss off over half the planet to starvation and disease if it can be helped in any way.

Well sorry but you're stealing money from the poor then. There are better ways to develop poor nations and also, I should get to pick which poor people I want to help.

You're making the same arguments the UN does. The UN does a lot of good in this world but 70% of their expenditures are operating costs. They are inferior to private charities and if you want to help the poor, give money to the best charities instead.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know how we can give foreign aid when we're so far in debt. Most of the countries that we give aid to do not appreciate it anyway. Pakistan is just prime example numero uno. Fuck em. No more money and no more troops. I seriously think we should pull back from the world, fortify our borders and only deploy small units to hot spots around the world. We don't need bases in all these countries. They don't want our help so I have no idea why we're still giving it to them.

 

[MARIS61]

We've been giving it (almost 10B total, iirc) for 60 years. The reasons for doing so have not changed...people there are still poor, uneducated and lacking in basic services.

So we've given them $10B and it has changed nothing. They're still stupid savages who invested our $10B in state of the art killing machines rather than schools, farms, hospitals and basic shelter. They still hate us and work towards our destruction.

But you're okay with that?