After a strong preseason, what should the Blazer's goal be this year?

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wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure I can squint enough to see Scoot as a super-star

thinking about Curry, Morant, Doncic, SGA, Fox in the west, Haliburton, Brunson, Dame, Young, Lamelo in the east. It's hard enough to see Scoot as even a all-star level player...or top-10 PG. Maybe that last hurdle is achievable. Right now, the only superstar possibility is Sharpe and his glow has faded quite a bit.

Clingan may eventually enter the DPOY discussion, but that's a way off and he's not the kind of player that can lead a team to the promised land
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Thanks for focusing on "I guess" instead of " right now he's barely a backup" without any guess.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Thanks for focusing on "I guess" instead of " right now he's barely a backup" without any guess.
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that's a weird hair you're trying to split....I was just reacting to the possibility that Scoot might become a superstar. I sure wasn't intending to hold you to a prediction. Just wonder about Scoot as superstar
 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm sure the Blazers were just knocking the Lakers door down trying to extract two picks out of them. Because that's how you get good value.

I posted multiple links on this by now. There were dozens of links posted before. Feel free to read back a few months and figure it out.
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But that isn’t what you said. You said they were offered and turned it down. Totally different than trying to extract.
 
kjironman1 said:
But that isn’t what you said. You said they were offered and turned it down. Totally different than trying to extract.
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Ok. I guess I should have made some green font there.

Either way, the links have been posted. And that's what I was referring to.
 
wizenheimer said:
can you make a list of all the NBA players (or even 4 or 5) who failed because they played on bad teams as youngsters and developed "losing" attitudes, and not because of flaws in their talent.

you guys are just pumping out this theory as as a justification for your POV without offering a shred of evidence that the theory has any merit at all. I don't believe it does, obviously

I don't even know what you guys are arguing in favor of. Looks like it's that Portland should just run with Simons-Grant-Ayton as the featured players on the team, hogging a lion's share of shots and usage; maybe win 35-40 games a year forcing the Blazers to the back end of lotteries; then resign those players to 40M/year deals when their contracts are up. Yeah, my theory of what your advocating for

what about these young guys watching Simons never play defense? or Simons and Grant being ball-hogs? or Ayton being a poor rim protector and passer. Maybe watching that kind of shit year after year has a bigger long term impact than a few years in the lottery
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The quote of mine you used doesn’t really say that? It does make some sense that if you keep telling a player to lose intentionally and keep shutting him down to get another player that might be better than him so he could maybe even replace him that said player might not develop in the manner he would if he was forced to play to win in a winning situation.

Thst much seems pretty obvious.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Ok. I guess I should have made some green font there.

Either way, the links have been posted. And that's what I was referring to.
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But the links literally are not what you are saying happened so no green font needed. It’s just plain false.
 
kjironman1 said:
But the links literally are not what you are saying happened so no green font needed. It’s just plain false.
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I disagree. And I've already posted some links that cover it. So if you read those and think something else happened then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I disagree. And I've already posted some links that cover it. So if you read those and think something else happened then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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True story, I once listed Darius Miles in the Sporting Goods section of NYC Craigslist. Got an offer of a box of used hair wigs, which I accepted. But Craiglist took my post down so I couldn't complete the deal.

Henry Abbott Truehoop found out about it and posted it on his website.

Just letting you know if case you need me to trade Grant.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I disagree. And I've already posted some links that cover it. So if you read those and think something else happened then we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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I’ll agree to disagree for sure no problem but I still have not read one link that says the Blazers turned down an offer which is what you originally said.
The Blazers may very well have called every team in the league but at this point I still have nothing confirmed that says they received an offer and refused it.
 
kjironman1 said:
Excuse me???? What? They have done this for 2 years exactly already. Now he's hurt again and it's a shoulder that they can easily proclaim injured once again. Tell me again who is being "Disingenuous". There is someone who is here but it isn't me.
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Regardless of what they have done, nobody is suggesting that they should continue to do that.

It is disingenuous to make the argument that anybody is saying that should be done.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Regardless of what they have done, nobody is suggesting that they should continue to do that.

It is disingenuous to make the argument that anybody is saying that should be done.
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So now you’re trying to step back on the tank?
In order to tank they will shut players down just like last year. You know this and Disingenuous is you now trying to act like they won’t. It’s called tanking because they try to lose. They do not try to win games. Sorry it ain’t me. I ain’t the one brother.
 
All you’re doing is messing up my “Like” to “Post” ratio with these arguments.
 
kjironman1 said:
I’ll agree to disagree for sure no problem but I still have not read one link that says the Blazers turned down an offer which is what you originally said.
The Blazers may very well have called every team in the league but at this point I still have nothing confirmed that says they received an offer and refused it.
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Well, I actually said we refused to make that trade (a trade for a single draft pick). Not that anybody specifically made any specific offer.

Portland made it public knowledge that they want two draft picks. So they aren't fielding offers for a single draft pick.

The Lakers were obviously in the market. Was there an official offer? Who the hell knows, it's all rumors. But Portland made it public they want two picks. Not one pick.

Nobody usually finds out exactly what offers really are or are not made.

It seems pretty clear that if the Blazers would have accepted one pick they probably could have gotten a deal done.
 
kjironman1 said:
So now you’re trying to step back on the tank?
In order to tank they will shut players down just like last year. You know this and Disingenuous is you now trying to act like they won’t. It’s called tanking because they try to lose. They do not try to win games. Sorry it ain’t me. I ain’t the one brother.
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It's not stepping back on anything. You are arguing against a position I have never had.

I have said repeatedly that no players or coaches should be trying to lose. We should trade the mediocre middle-aged players who are good enough to help us beat bad teams but are not good enough to help us contend.

We'll naturall lose a lot, being as young as we are.

That has always been my position. I have repeated it many times.
 
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Way too talented to even think of tanking. 2-3 trade pieces to add in a few young players/draft picks and they are on their way. Yes, they will make the play-in this year.
 
The goal should be NOT to have a record that prevents us from both the playoffs and a high draft pick.

This year will be considered an epic disaster if we’re sitting around the 8th spot in draft positioning.

Meaning, trade Simons and Grant ASAP
 
Phatguysrule said:
Newsflash: The Blazers are currently losers
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If that is what you see them as, that is your choice. Viewing the team you follow through wins only, is also a choice.

I am happy about this team regardless. Are you?
 
BassPlaya said:
If that is what you see them as, that is your choice. Viewing the team you follow through wins only, is also a choice.

I am happy about this team regardless. Are you?
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Of course I am (happy when they do well). I've said so many times.

But the teams who rebuild based on emotion tend to have unsuccessful rebuilds that can take decades.
 
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BassPlaya said:
If that is what you see them as, that is your choice. Viewing the team you follow through wins only, is also a choice.

I am happy about this team regardless. Are you?
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I'm not sure what that means

for me, I'm not happy with a lot of thing "about this team"

* I'm not happy, at all, with the ownership situation. I think it's terrible and that the 'owners', whoever or whatever they actually are, don't give a shit about the team improving as long as the cash keeps flowing

* I'm on the dark side of ambivalent about the GM's office. I see fence-straddling and indecisiveness about picking a lane. My hunch is that the team will try to win games to start the season, damaging their lottery chances, and when that fails and they don't win enough to be a threat to make the play-in, management will switch gears and plunge the team into a 4th season of blatant tanking; but early season wins will keep them out of the top-5 in the draft

* I'm not happy about the head coach. That's not to say I hate Billups but I have no confidence in him. Olshey should not have been allowed to hire the HC in the first place

* speaking of Olshey, I'm not happy that he was allowed to operate for a decade. I think his actions are still staining the Blazer team on several levels

* I'm not happy with the structure of the roster, mainly that Simons and Grant are still on the team, with those contracts. I'm not happy that empty-calories Ayton was added in the Dame trade. I'm also not happy that after all their experience with injury prone big men, the Blazers idiotically added Timelord

that is NOT viewing the team thru "wins only"
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure what that means

for me, I'm not happy with a lot of thing "about this team"

* I'm not happy, at all, with the ownership situation. I think it's terrible and that the 'owners', whoever or whatever they actually are, don't give a shit about the team improving as long as the cash keeps flowing

* I'm on the dark side of ambivalent about the GM's office. I see fence-straddling and indecisiveness about picking a lane. My hunch is that the team will try to win games to start the season, damaging their lottery chances, and when that fails and they don't win enough to be a threat to make the play-in, management will switch gears and plunge the team into a 4th season of blatant tanking; but early season wins will keep them out of the top-5 in the draft

* I'm not happy about the head coach. That's not to say I hate Billups but I have no confidence in him. Olshey should not have been allowed to hire the HC in the first place

* speaking of Olshey, I'm not happy that he was allowed to operate for a decade. I think his actions are still staining the Blazer team on several levels

* I'm not happy with the structure of the roster, mainly that Simons and Grant are still on the team, with those contracts. I'm not happy that empty-calories Ayton was added in the Dame trade. I'm also not happy that after all their experience with injury prone big men, the Blazers idiotically added Timelord

that is NOT viewing the team thru "wins only"
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I too am concerned that Portland will try to win games early as well before throwing in the towel. I went and looked at their schedule before January 1, 2025. For games they might be competitive in, I found;

@ SA x 2
H ATL
@ HOU x 2
H UTAH x 2

I doubt Portland wins in San Antonio or Houston. Atlanta and Utah should be wins. But the schedule is very difficult to start the season with;

SAC x 2
MEM x 2
NOP x 3
OKC x 2
LAC x 2
MIN x 3
DAL x 3
LAL x 1
with one game each against GSW, PHX, DEN, PHI and IND

Yes, they will steal a game here or there, but they will also cough up a couple. I only see Portland being a favorite against ATL and Utah twice. ATL is probably a pick 'em.

Starting in 2025, Portland has their two games against Brooklyn, WAS, DET, CHA, CHI, TOR and two more with UTA, as well as games against SAS, HOU and ATL. That is 15 winnable games. Of course they won't win them all, and they will steal a couple against good teams resting players. Twenty five wins is probably the max win total unless border line play in teams go full tank early also.
 
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Will Joe keep Chauncey from letting the team win as many games as possible? If Chauncey is a lame duck coach why wouldn't he just let the team win as many as possible. Or, his he wanting to re-sign as Joes coach?
 
Hoopguru said:
Will Joe keep Chauncey from letting the team win as many games as possible? If Chauncey is a lame duck coach why wouldn't he just let the team win as many as possible. Or, his he wanting to re-sign as Joes coach?
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Gotta wonder what Chauncey is thinking at this point?
 
Hoopguru said:
Will Joe keep Chauncey from letting the team win as many games as possible? If Chauncey is a lame duck coach why wouldn't he just let the team win as many as possible. Or, his he wanting to re-sign as Joes coach?
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I would if I were him. The perception is he is a shitty coach mostly based on his win total. I assume he will want another gig so yeah if I were him I would say fuck you and try to win as much as possible.
 
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