After two brutal losses, where are your expectations?

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They need to address defense and passing most of all. How many of the turnovers tonight were unforced? And how many points did that lead to?>
 
George Karl? You mean the guy whose teams almost always under performed in the playoffs?

That's the answer?
 
julius said:
George Karl? You mean the guy whose teams almost always under performed in the playoffs?

That's the answer?
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Key words being in the playoffs. Stouts has to get us there to even have an opportunity to outperform "underperforming in the playoffs."
 
RoyToy said:
After drawing up that out of bounds play for an alley-opp, all things are on the table
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He saw D'Antoni work it to perfection. Sadly, we weren't playing ourselves tonight.
 
julius said:
George Karl? You mean the guy whose teams almost always under performed in the playoffs?

That's the answer?
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It's a suggestion. Which coach would you like to see help our team defensively?
 
Strenuus said:
These fucking sucked. This one hurt more than any other game this year, IMO.

Right now, I'm just happy if we get a playoff seed.
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EXACTLY what I said a couple days ago. I said that if we win both, weRe' in the thick of top 3 record. If we lose both, it's how you put it, "happy to just make playoffs.". They were two very crucial games and we failed. But as YOU said and I tried to say in the Positives thread, there are 19 games left. What changed? You're only settling for 8th seed now? With 19 left? You've proven my point from two days ago when we had our fight. Two losses changed everything for you. Like I said they would.

I mean, we win both those games, we're 3rd seed and only two games behind OKC!
 
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Top four finish. Second round or WCF.

We haven't gotten blown out of a game since January. Pretty much all of our losses against playoff teams have been very close. I think we'll be fine.
 
Hobbesarable said:
It's a suggestion. Which coach would you like to see help our team defensively?
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No idea. but a re-tread isn't the answer. I'm sure there's someone out there who is a better defensive mind then what they have currently.
 
The roster needs to get better before we start talking about the coach actually

Neil needs to decide if this starting 5 is good enough to be a championship team.

It really comes down to Wes/Nic and trying to upgrade one of them (IMO)
 
julius said:
No idea. but a re-tread isn't the answer. I'm sure there's someone out there who is a better defensive mind then what they have currently.
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Ok. It would be nice if they can find 1 person out of the 7 billion people on planet Earth. :lol:
 
julius said:
No idea. but a re-tread isn't the answer. I'm sure there's someone out there who is a better defensive mind then what they have currently.
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They have a re-tread right now, though.
 
santeesioux said:
Fall down to 6-7th seed, take Spurs/Okies to seven games, fix team in offseason.
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Exactly. This is what I was criticized for a couple days ago. I said win both, we're in top 3. Lose both, we're 6th 7th. These two games were the turning point of the season.
 
RoyToy said:
The roster needs to get better before we start talking about the coach actually

Neil needs to decide if this starting 5 is good enough to be a championship team.

It really comes down to Wes/Nic and trying to upgrade one of them (IMO)
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Agreed on the wes/nic... I think we try to get pieces for them... though, with how many boneheaded plays Nic makes, he always seems to fill the stat sheet (even with 6 turnovers or whatever the hell he had tonight)... Wes is good, but his defense has been a little lackluster... though he was getting called for tick-tack fouls so I could see why he may be more hesistant... and that shot Harden made was legit over Matthews. He couldn't do anything else that wouldn't result in a foul.
 
maxiep said:
Top four finish. Second round or WCF.

We haven't gotten blown out of a game since January. Pretty much all of our losses against playoff teams have been very close. I think we'll be fine.
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I hope so.
 
KingSpeed said:
EXACTLY what I said a couple days ago. I said that if we win both, weRe' in the thick of top 3 record. If we lose both, it's how you put it, "happy to just make playoffs.". They were two very crucial games and we failed. But as YOU said and I tried to say in the Positives thread, there are 19 games left. What changed? You're only settling for 8th seed now? With 19 left? You've proven my point from two days ago when we had our fight. Two losses changed everything for you. Like I said they would.

I mean, we win both those games, we're 3rd seed and only two games behind OKC!
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I'm talking expectations. I didn't say we would "battle". I'm just lowering my expectations. You were more factual in your statements, where mine is just a tweak of expectations.

Though, it wasn't a fight. It was a quarrel, and it was really cute. :)
 
Adjust you expectations because of TWO GAMES? You were adamant that wouldn't happen and now it has.
 
KingSpeed said:
Adjust you expectations because of TWO GAMES? You were adamant that wouldn't happen and now it has.
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There's a huge difference between tempering expectations and saying "season over".

I have not once said season over. I just tempered expectations. Colossal difference.
 
santeesioux said:
They have a re-tread right now, though.
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To a degree, yes.

Look at Thibide...Thibed...the Bulls coach. He was an assistant for years.

There are assistants out there who would emphasize defense.

They're paid the big bucks to find them.

I'm no longer that upset about the loss. Barring an unbelievable collapse, the team is still in line for a top 6 playoff seeding. And considering the difference between 1st place and 5th is 5 or so games, it's not like the top seeded teams are guaranteed wins in the 1st round.

Even #1 vs #8 isn't a guarantee.

Does the team need to find it's mojo back? Yes. But so does Miami (losers of 3 straight), Indiana (losers of 4 straight) and Oklahoma City (losers of 4 of 7).

Portland is below .500 in their last 23 games (I think?) but Indiana is 7-7 in their last 14, OKC is 6-6 in it's last 12. Miami is still playing better ball than the other two (and Portland, of course).
 
julius said:
To a degree, yes.

Look at Thibide...Thibed...the Bulls coach. He was an assistant for years.

There are assistants out there who would emphasize defense.

They're paid the big bucks to find them.

I'm no longer that upset about the loss. Barring an unbelievable collapse, the team is still in line for a top 6 playoff seeding. And considering the difference between 1st place and 5th is 5 or so games, it's not like the top seeded teams are guaranteed wins in the 1st round.

Even #1 vs #8 isn't a guarantee.

Does the team need to find it's mojo back? Yes. But so does Miami (losers of 3 straight), Indiana (losers of 4 straight) and Oklahoma City (losers of 4 of 7).

Portland is below .500 in their last 23 games (I think?) but Indiana is 7-7 in their last 14, OKC is 6-6 in it's last 12. Miami is still playing better ball than the other two (and Portland, of course).
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Good stuff. Repped.
 
Strenuus said:
There's a huge difference between tempering expectations and saying "season over".

I have not once said season over. I just tempered expectations. Colossal difference.
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I said the story would change from top 3 to bottom 3. That losing both games would put us in a new race. You said NO it's only 2 games. 19 left!
 
KingSpeed said:
I said the story would change from top 3 to bottom 3. That losing both games would put us in a new race. You said NO it's only 2 games. 19 left!
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Again, there's a disconnect. We're going to argue this all night, so I'll stop it now. :) No reason to fight over semantics of words, we have our own views of it.
 
My expectation is the HCP will swoop in and tell us all what bad fans we are because we're down right now. :MARIS61:
 
santeesioux said:
My expectation is the HCP will swoop in and tell us all what bad fans we are because we're down right now. :MARIS61:
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ha.

Dude, that was a TOUGH loss. Stings like a bitch. I wouldn't blame anyone for flipping their lid after that. lol. And go figure, KS starts the positive thread. I give him a nice hearty round of applause for that.
 
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