Al-Qaeda supports John McCain

[Fez Hammersticks]

Al-Qaeda supporters have said they are hoping John McCain becomes the next US President, as the "impetuous" Republican candidate would be more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In a message posted on the password-protected al-Hesbah website this week, Al-Qaeda supporters said McCain had "pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier". He was the best choice for President, if Al-Qaeda wanted to exhaust the UD both militarily and economically: "Al-Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

The message also suggests that the best way to usher in a McCain presidency would be to carry out a pre-election terror attack.

"If al-Qaida carries out a big operation against American interests," the message said, "this act will be support of McCain because it will push the Americans deliberately to vote for McCain so that he takes revenge for them against al-Qaida. Al-Qaida then will succeed in exhausting America till its last year in it."

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

From BBC's Justin Webb:

Islamic terrorists want war. They want suffering - among others and their own people alike.

They would surely surmise that McCain will give them what they want. Bin Laden himself intervened with what many thought was the effect of keeping President Bush in power in 2004 with that weird tape just before the poll.

I think al-Qaeda would back McCain - that is not an argument for or against America backing him, but it seems to me that the vague assumption that the terrorists would back a lefty is lazy thinking..]

 

[PapaG]

Oh, I remember Al-Qaeda. I haven't seen of them here for almost 7 years.

 

[CelticKing]

Oh yeah, of course Al-Qaeda wants the US military to stay in the Middle East and keep killing their soldiers (agents, followers, etc). That is the smart choice by AQ.

Don't tell me they're financing McCain' campaign as well. lol

 

[Real]

Larijani: Iran prefers Obama

Iranian parliament speaker says his country is leaning towards Democratic candidate in US presidential election 'because he is more flexible and rational'
AFP

Iranian parliament Speaker Ali Larijani said Wednesday that Iran would prefer Democrat Barack Obama in the White House next year. Larijani also dismissed any idea that the US would attack Iran.


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"We are leaning more in favor of Barack Obama because he is more flexible and rational, even though we know American policy will not change that much," Larijani said at a press conference during a visit to Bahrain.


How to deal with Iran and the crisis over its nuclear drive has been one of the foreign policy issues in the Nov. 4 race for the White House between Obama and Republican John McCain.


Larijani, a leading figure in the conservative camp in Iran, also said the United States was too busy dealing with the global financial crisis to consider waging an attack on Iran.


"The risk was low before," he said. "But now I am 100% certain that the United States will not unleash a war against Iran. The economic crisis has cost the United States $1.4 trillion and Washington is working to resolve its internal problems and not a war."

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[Chutney]

Oh yeah, of course Al-Qaeda wants the US military to stay in the Middle East and keep killing their soldiers (agents, followers, etc). That is the smart choice by AQ.

Don't tell me they're financing McCain' campaign as well. lol

Their soldiers are recruited far more easily when they have a tangible "enemy" that mobilizes a disaffected population.

 

[PapaG]

Their soldiers are recruited far more easily when they have a tangible "enemy" that mobilizes a disaffected population.

They die a lot quicker too when up against the best military the world has ever seen.

Notice how Obama never brings up Iraq these days other than to say that everyone knew the surge would work (which he was against, by the way)?

 

[44Thrilla]

They die a lot quicker too when up against the best military the world has ever seen.

Notice how Obama never brings up Iraq these days other than to say that everyone knew the surge would work (which he was against, by the way)?

"We're not going to defeat a terrorist network that operates in 80 countries through an occupation of Iraq," Obama said. "We shouldn't keep spending $10 billion a month in Iraq while the Iraqis sit on a huge surplus," Obama said. - October 22, 2008

 

[Chutney]

They die a lot quicker too when up against the best military the world has ever seen.

Notice how Obama never brings up Iraq these days other than to say that everyone knew the surge would work (which he was against, by the way)?

Yea, I was just pointing out why Al Qaeda would want the US military to remain in the Middle East and show how CK missed the point. Nothing more.

 

[julius]

They die a lot quicker too when up against the best military the world has ever seen.

Notice how Obama never brings up Iraq these days other than to say that everyone knew the surge would work (which he was against, by the way)?

Kind of like how McCain doesn't bring up the economy, other than to just imply that Obama is a socialist and hates plumbers named Joe.

 

[MARIS61]

They die a lot quicker too when up against the best military the world has ever seen.

Let's not drag the Canadian Armed Forces into this discussion.

 

[Chutney]

Let's not drag the Canadian Armed Forces into this discussion.

I didn't want to brag, but I'm glad someone pointed it out.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Why are some people trying to compare Iran, a legitimate nation, to al-Queda? They are not incredibly different than the Soviet Union. Who knows what could happen when there are rational leaders in place. Look at the Soviet Union, they got a rational leader in place with Gorbachev, and relations with the United States and Soviet Union improved.

 

[Денг Гордон]

What a shock that they support McCain.

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[CelticKing]

Their soldiers are recruited far more easily when they have a tangible "enemy" that mobilizes a disaffected population.

They will recruit them no matter what Chutney. They recruited terrorists before 9/11, our army wasn't in Iraq or Afghanistan, and yet they succeeded in bombing our country.

You always need to keep the enemy at bay (in this case, it's in the middle east) and keep the fighting there. You cannot even sense that this country is at war here in the US, unless you actually know what's happening and that we're fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, and that's all thanks to our military (strongest on earth) who have succeed in fighting the religion freaks/terrorists/devils of this world.

 

[CelticKing]

Yea, I was just pointing out why Al Qaeda would want the US military to remain in the Middle East and show how CK missed the point. Nothing more.

They don't want US military to remain there, trust me. They would love a quick pull out by the US, and they will claim quick victory the next day, saying that they have defeated the infidels (americans) and then call for jihad on the rest of the world.

I didn't miss anything Chutney.

 

[CelticKing]

Why are some people trying to compare Iran, a legitimate nation, to al-Queda? They are not incredibly different than the Soviet Union. Who knows what could happen when there are rational leaders in place. Look at the Soviet Union, they got a rational leader in place with Gorbachev, and relations with the United States and Soviet Union improved.

Iran is led by a maniac who is calling for the death of Jews, and the destruction of America.

Also with Russia, Putin hates America just as much as Ahmedinejad but he is clever and doesn't show it. (kgb taught him that) But he's more dangerous.

 

[Денг Гордон]

Iran is led by a maniac who is calling for the death of Jews, and the destruction of America.

Also with Russia, Putin hates America just as much as Ahmedinejad but he is clever and doesn't show it. (kgb taught him that) But he's more dangerous.

We need to stop all this sensationalism and generalization when it comes to foreign policy. It is stupid and it doesn't work.

We should be listening to Colin Powell on the Russian situation.

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[CelticKing]

We need to stop all this sensationalism and generalization when it comes to foreign policy. It is stupid and it doesn't work.

We should be listening to Colin Powell on the Russian situation.

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You should be listening to me dude, who knows first hand how bad Russia is, with their communism way of dealing with things. They're still communists, they won't tell you that but Putin is the biggest communist on earth, and he would throw out a party if he was to see the destruction of America.

Every country that neighbors Russia knows how bad they are.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

They don't want US military to remain there, trust me. They would love a quick pull out by the US, and they will claim quick victory the next day, saying that they have defeated the infidels (americans) and then call for jihad on the rest of the world.

Them claiming victory if the US were to pull out of Iraq is true, because al-Qaida is very good at being opportunistic propagandists. However, you're missing the point of why al-Qaida really does want us to continue to be bogged down in Iraq. The current financial meltdown is being lauded by al-Qaida and like minded extremist groups as their doing. They are now saying that Iraq and Afghanistan were traps set by them to lure the USA in and destroy their economy. Pure propaganda, they don't have that kind of foresight. However, I do believe they would rather have John McCain to continue these wars, because in reality, the Iraq war is a tremendous drain on our economy, and their followers have stated as much.

Oh, and if you think they're worried about losing their soldiers/fighters/followers, I'd suggest you do some research about the people we're dealing with.

 

[CelticKing]

Them claiming victory if the US were to pull out of Iraq is true, because al-Qaida is very good at being opportunistic propagandists. However, you're missing the point of why al-Qaida really does want us to continue to be bogged down in Iraq. The current financial meltdown is being lauded by al-Qaida and like minded extremist groups as their doing. They are now saying that Iraq and Afghanistan were traps set by them to lure the USA in and destroy their economy. Pure propaganda, they don't have that kind of foresight. However, I do believe they would rather have John McCain to continue these wars, because in reality, the Iraq war is a tremendous drain on our economy, and their followers have stated as much.

Oh, and if you think they're worried about losing their soldiers/fighters/followers, I'd suggest you do some research about the people we're dealing with.

No no, they're worried about losing the war to us, they don't care about human life, as shown time and time again when they bomb innocent people all over Iraq. (and the rest of the middle east)

 

[44Thrilla]

we should be listening to colin powell on the russian situation.

you should be listening to me dude

lol!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

No no, they're worried about losing the war to us

Yeah, that's not really what I was talking about, but sure. You have to realize that Iraq is just the beginning to them. Iraq and Afghanistan are kind of like, preliminary wars. These are the conflicts they want America to be fighting so as to weaken them and in turn the entire world (and they have gained confidence that the plan is working given our economy.) Remember, these people are in it for the long run. The really long run. The best scenario for them is for the Middle East to become so war torn and for the Western powers to become so weak that they can easily swoop in and take over and create a new Caliphate and have no real opposition. This could happen in the next 20 years or the next 1000 years. They don't really care. These people have an unbelievably long cultural memory. People like Osama bin Laden see themselves as figures that will be lauded as heroes in the future Middle East, which they will help to create. They are confident it will happen, even if they were to die tomorrow.

So, no. I don't think they care if we "win" in Iraq, because to them the damage is already done.

 

[Colonel Ronan]

Just so you know, the Al-Qaeda are a religious movement, not one person...

This also made me think: Perhaps Obama will be assassinated by the Al-Qaeda!

 

[CelticKing]

lol!

There is nothing to laugh about Thrilla. Because Powell supports Obama now, here he comes telling us to listen to him on the Russia issue


Did you have anything else to say besides the "lol"?

 

[Денг Гордон]

You should be listening to me dude, who knows first hand how bad Russia is, with their communism way of dealing with things. They're still communists, they won't tell you that but Putin is the biggest communist on earth, and he would throw out a party if he was to see the destruction of America.

Every country that neighbors Russia knows how bad they are.

Why do all the Russians I know not seem to be yearning for the destruction of America?

 

[Денг Гордон]

Them claiming victory if the US were to pull out of Iraq is true, because al-Qaida is very good at being opportunistic propagandists. However, you're missing the point of why al-Qaida really does want us to continue to be bogged down in Iraq. The current financial meltdown is being lauded by al-Qaida and like minded extremist groups as their doing. They are now saying that Iraq and Afghanistan were traps set by them to lure the USA in and destroy their economy. Pure propaganda, they don't have that kind of foresight. However, I do believe they would rather have John McCain to continue these wars, because in reality, the Iraq war is a tremendous drain on our economy, and their followers have stated as much.

Oh, and if you think they're worried about losing their soldiers/fighters/followers, I'd suggest you do some research about the people we're dealing with.

I disagree. Obama talked about the harm that a war with no exit strategy could have on us financially. Ron Paul talked about that point over and over again. I think there is a strong possibility that al-Qaeda had the foresight to see this. We have to realize that these terrorists are not all idiots (perhaps the hijackers, but not the leaders of these terrorist groups). They aren't attacking us because they hate our people having freedom, they hate us because we are dicking around in their part of the globe.

 

[CelticKing]

Why do all the Russians I know not seem to be yearning for the destruction of America?

They're the ones that left Russia (and other communist regimes) to live in freedom and democracy here in the US, I have nothing against them.

My problem is with the people who support Putin.

 

[Chutney]

They don't want US military to remain there, trust me. They would love a quick pull out by the US, and they will claim quick victory the next day, saying that they have defeated the infidels (americans) and then call for jihad on the rest of the world.

I didn't miss anything Chutney.

No you really are missing the point of most Al Qaeda/Islamic extremist action. Leaving opinions on whether America should remain in Iraq aside for now, you have to understand that these extreme ideologies depend on their people being in a shitty situation with a desire to blame someone or something. The shitty situation in the Middle East over the past half century has been well documented and these extremist organizations have done a good job of directing blame at America and the West. The closer and more immediate that enemy is, the easier it becomes for these groups to appeal to the same sentiments and gain more followers. Al Qaeda and co.'s acts of aggression have always sought to provoke a US military response that they could then use to grow their own ideology. They're not trying to kill us, so much as they're trying to use us to become more and more powerful (obviously they're trying to kill us too, but the real important figures in these movements don't consider this the end goal of their actions).

 

[Денг Гордон]

They're the ones that left Russia (and other communist regimes) to live in freedom and democracy here in the US, I have nothing against them.

My problem is with the people who support Putin.

Is that why they go back to live in that oppressive communist regime for extended amounts of time?