Aldridge MRI as knee still hurts and some notes from todays practice

[Eastoff]

No, that was my point. It's "conventional wisdom" simply because so many people believe it. But I've yet to see any evidence or studies done to show what is actually dangerous. It "feels" (to me) like more minutes are dangerous, but part of that is simply the brain-washing of people claiming it all throughout my basketball-watching life.

Someone brought up pitchers and innings and pitch counts earlier. I've actually seen studies on that (Baseball Prospectus has, or used to have, a "Pitcher Abuse Points" measure and found that there were statistically significant correlations between pitch counts over a certain amount--something like 120 in a game--and increased injury risk). I've seen other studies over the years. So I'm much more willing to buy into limiting pitch counts.

The general thrust of my posts in this thread has been: Maybe Aldridge is playing "too many" minutes, but I've really seen nothing compelling yet to illustrate that.

If I may add to this thought experiment, the position/ move set probably has a big influence on injuries as well. Brandon Roy was doing a lot of cutting and faking. That is going to be harder on knees. LMA is doing more back down stuff, which might be harder on a different area of the body.

 

[PapaG]

btw... I've some Sierra pix from my last summer w/CA Dept of Fish & Game in my personal profile if anyone wants to get a taste of what my "work" entailed

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I'm sure it required much more effort than playing at an elite level in the NBA.

 

[PapaG]

From reading LMA's tweets, especially the one where he admitted to coasting a bit, I don't see how anyone could argue that he may need some additional rest. Will he get it? I don't know, because the team is much better with him on the court than without it.

Now, I realize that LMA's own words have less meaning than some middle-age guy playing Y-Ball a few times a week, but I digress.

 

[STOMP]

Are you really comparing getting in some pick-up run 2-3 times a week with the rigors of playing 42 mpg in the NBA 3-4 times a week?

Now I've seen it all.

good grief... troll much?

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[PapaG]

good grief... troll much?

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How is that trolling? What was the point of your rec-league (at best) comparision? I found it foolish, so I commented on it.

 

[STOMP]

How is that trolling? What was the point of you rec-league (at best) comparision? I found it foolish, so I commented on it.

everyone knows your tired game... I'm not going to play. Go try to find someone else to insult/argue with

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[PtldPlatypus]

everyone knows your tired game... I'm not going to play. Go try to find someone else to insult/argue with

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Ooo, ooo, pick me!!

 

[RoyToy]

Now, I realize that LMA's own words have less meaning than some middle-age guy playing Y-Ball a few times a week, but I digress.

For some reason people can't see past this. Aldridge basically saying he's being pushed to the limit means nothing. It's all about what other players have done while continuing to ignore the warning signs of Aldridge suffering two non-contact injuries in the past month or so. That's just not enough for some people.

 

[Mediocre Man]

For some reason people can't see past this. Aldridge basically saying he's being pushed to the limit means nothing. It's all about what other players have done while continuing to ignore the warning signs of Aldridge suffering two non-contact injuries in the past month or so. That's just not enough for some people.

I was told I was Nate bashing when I brought up Aldridge playing too many minutes in another thread.

 

[PapaG]

everyone knows your tired game... I'm not going to play. Go try to find someone else to insult/argue with

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My tired game? You're taking some very strong opinions in this thread, and you personally belittled somebody you were debating by telling them that you don't respect them. RoyToy isn't taking a ridiculous position, is he? Your calling people "FOOL(s)" kind of set the tone for this thread anyhow, and then you proceeded to regale us all with tales of hiking the Sierras, frozen peas between toes, and pick-up games. It's been quite the anecdotal adventure.

 

[PapaG]

I was told I was Nate bashing when I brought up Aldridge playing too many minutes in another thread.

Your history preceded you.

 

[RoyToy]

Even if you don't believe he was playing too many minutes before, does Aldridge saying "I felt a sharp pain out of nowhere" change your mind at all? Do you really think continuing to play him these kind of minutes after experiencing something like that is really the best idea? You don't even have to pretend the minutes and the injury are related to answer that question.

 

[STOMP]

Ooo, ooo, pick me!!

anytime. While we may disagree on things, you keep thing respectful and don't purposefully misread statements just to have an argument



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[PapaG]

anytime. While we may disagree on things, you keep thing respectful and don't purposefully misread statements just to have an argument



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Says the guy who challenged a "FOOL" to debate his opinion, and then proceeded to whine about not having respect for the "FOOL" when the "FOOL" was pointing out facts and quotes from the player at the center of the debate.

 

[LittleAlex]

Whether or not LA's body can handle the minutes can only be answered if he gets some stress related injury.
Why should the team even risk that sort of thing?

It seems the safer course would be to reduce his minutes to somewhere in the 36 minute range instead of 42+.
As an NBA player he should be physically able to play that many minutes without issue.

 

[RoyToy]

Whether or not LA's body can handle the minutes can only be answered if he gets some stress related injury.

How about a sharp pain in his knee that came "out of no where"?

 

[STOMP]

Says the guy who challenged a "FOOL" to debate his opinion, and then proceeded to whine about not having respect for the "FOOL" when the "FOOL" was pointing out facts and quotes from the player at the center of the debate.

see post #2

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[blazerboy30]

For some reason people can't see past this. Aldridge basically saying he's being pushed to the limit means nothing. It's all about what other players have done while continuing to ignore the warning signs of Aldridge suffering two non-contact injuries in the past month or so. That's just not enough for some people.

Since you didn't answer me before, I'll repost it:

Let's assume that you are right, and reducing LA's minutes would reduce his chance of injury.

What do you reduce his minutes to? What is the magic number of minutes that he needs to be playing to avoid injury?

 

[blazerboy30]

Whether or not LA's body can handle the minutes can only be answered if he gets some stress related injury.
Why should the team even risk that sort of thing?

It seems the safer course would be to reduce his minutes to somewhere in the 36 minute range instead of 42+.
As an NBA player he should be physically able to play that many minutes without issue.

The problem with these statements is that 36 is just a random number pulled out of the ass. Why not 32? Why not 43? This is why I've been asking for some data or a study to suggest that 36mpg is actually different than 42mpg when it comes to injury.

 

[RoyToy]

see post #2

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Apparently you think I called you out when I didn't even know your position when I made that post.

Good job.

Since you didn't answer me before, I'll repost it:

Let's assume that you are right, and reducing LA's minutes would reduce his chance of injury.

What do you reduce his minutes to? What is the magic number of minutes that he needs to be playing to avoid injury?

Your question is pointless, that's why.

 

[B-Roy]

Lol at you ignoring Aldridge's 2 non-contact injuries

Unless you want to admit you're dumb(no mods, I'm not saying that) then you're obviously trolling with this post. I don't waste my time on trolls.

Speaking of trolls.....

 

[RoyToy]

Speaking of trolls.....

What a stupid post.

 

[STOMP]

Apparently you think I called you out when I didn't even know your position when I made that post.

Good job.

right, you were just referring to random people not me specifically. You just happened to be an active participant in the other thread 3 days ago when I alone expressed those views. It all makes sense now and you are so right to act indignant

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[RoyToy]

right, you were just referring to random people not me specifically. You just happened to be an active participant in the other thread 3 days ago when I alone expressed those views. It all makes sense now and you are so right to act indignant

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Not only do I not read every single post on this board, I don't remember every post I read as well. I can honestly say I had no idea what your position was when I made that post. Apparently you think I called you out when I didn't.

 

[B-Roy]

What a stupid post.

Thanks, confirmed my suspicions.

 

[RoyToy]

Thanks, confirmed my suspicions.

.......

Yeah, you've reached the point where I just scroll over your posts now and don't respond to you.

 

[B-Roy]

.......

Yeah, you've reached the point where I just scroll over your posts now and don't respond to you.

You should take your own advice and actually stop responding.

 

[maxiep]

I was told I was Nate bashing when I logged into the forum.

Fixed.

 

[maxiep]

Nobody wants to have Aldridge play these kinds of minutes, including Aldridge. However, while Roy and Camby were down and before we got Wallace, we needed him as our only decent big and as our primary scoring option. And he responded to the challenge in a huge way.

I suspect we'll see LA play a bit less going forward now that we have more scorers and big men. However, he may be called to play serious minutes again (40+) in games that decide playoff seeding.

 

[STOMP]

Not only do I not read every single post on this board, I don't remember every post I read as well. I can honestly say I had no idea what your position was when I made that post. Apparently you think I called you out when I didn't.

Who did you think you were calling out/arguing against then??? And even if its really the case that you were blindly calling out people while not having read that here, your language could easily have been ratcheted down while still expressing your opinion. Hard to see how anyone who might have expressed that view was not supposed to take offense. I'd expressed exactly the view you said were those of a fool in two other threads in the last three days.

if it's not your intention to get in flame wars then don't use inflammatory language.

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