Aldridge MRI as knee still hurts and some notes from todays practice

[blazerboy30]

Your question is pointless, that's why.

You can't name the number of minutes LA should be playing, yet you claim it is "just common sense". Clearly you are more interested in getting angry, upset and calling people "fools" than actually putting in some meaningful thought.

BTW, how do you feel about Cho vs KP? You never gave your well respected opinion on that.

 

[RoyToy]

You can't name the number of minutes LA should be playing, yet you claim it is "just common sense". Clearly you are more interested in getting angry, upset and calling people "fools" than actually putting in some meaningful thought.

Really?

Really?

Your question is absolutely pointless, that's why I'm not answering it. Magical number of minutes to avoid injury? There's no such thing.

There is such a thing as being overworked/pushed to the limit however and there are plenty of indications to think that is what's happening here. Not only has Aldridge said he's basically beyond dead tired, he now has experienced a "sharp pain" in his knee that came "out of nowhere". Even if it's not 100% related(although it is a non-contact injury) there are more signs than ever that Aldridge should reined in a little bit.

I've said that multiple times in the thread now and there have been people that have agreed with the notion that Aldridge should start playing fewer minutes. Obviously it's clear you're just not comprehending it with you saying I haven't brought up any facts/evidence to back up my claim.

And what exactly have you brought to the thread btw? Absolutely nothing. At no point can you deny any of the evidence I have brought up. You are arguing just to argue while providing nothing substantial to the thread. That's a trait of a troll.

BTW, how do you feel about Cho vs KP? You never gave your well respected opinion on that.

This leads me to believe you are trolling. Bringing up a a different argument in this thread(which I have actually spoken on, too) proves you're arguing just to argue. You're a waste of time at this point.

 

[PapaG]

And what exactly have you brought to the thread btw? Absolutely nothing. At no point can you deny any of the evidence I have brought up. You are arguing just to argue while providing nothing substantial to the thread. That's a trait of a troll.

This leads me to believe you are trolling. Bringing up a a different argument in this thread(which I have actually spoken on, too) proves you're arguing just to argue. You're a waste of time at this point.

Take a look at blazerboy's posting history, and how many of the posts are directed at posters, and not Blazer topics in the thread. Ironic, don't ya think?

 

[RoyToy]

It's what he does.

With that said this is my last post in this thread. I was warned by a person with a red name that I'm baiting posters and if I continue I'll be suspended.

 

[blazerboy30]

Take a look at blazerboy's posting history, and how many of the posts are directed at posters, and not Blazer topics in the thread. Ironic, don't ya think?

Silly PapaG. I ask for some data or stats to back up the claim that LMA is playing too many minutes, and somehow that is me attacking posters? You're a self-proclaimed "stat-guy", so you should be able to relate.

 

[blazerboy30]

Really?

Really?

Your question is absolutely pointless, that's why I'm not answering it. Magical number of minutes to avoid injury? There's no such thing.

There is such a thing as being overworked/pushed to the limit however and there are plenty of indications to think that is what's happening here. Not only has Aldridge said he's basically beyond dead tired, he now has experienced a "sharp pain" in his knee that came "out of nowhere". Even if it's not 100% related(although it is a non-contact injury) there are more signs than ever that Aldridge should reined in a little bit.

I've said that multiple times in the thread now and there have been people that have agreed with the notion that Aldridge should start playing fewer minutes. Obviously it's clear you're just not comprehending it with you saying I haven't brought up any facts/evidence to back up my claim.

And what exactly have you brought to the thread btw? Absolutely nothing. At no point can you deny any of the evidence I have brought up. You are arguing just to argue while providing nothing substantial to the thread. That's a trait of a troll.

Me asking for stats and data to backup your claim that more minutes leads to more injury isn't trolling. It is very reasonable for me to ask you to back up the claim that more minutes causes more injury.

I'm not talking about LMA specifically, so using the "proof" that he said he is tired is, in fact, no proof at all.

 

[STOMP]

With that said this is my last post in this thread. I was warned by a person with a red name that I'm baiting posters and if I continue I'll be suspended.

I've seen posters relay stats/data to illuminate/back up their opinions without drawing the ire of mods. Just leave the personal stuff out and you'll be fine.

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

It's what he does.

With that said this is my last post in this thread. I was warned by a person with a red name that I'm baiting posters and if I continue I'll be suspended.

You're baiting posters? Interesting. I guess I don't see it.

 

[PapaG]

Silly PapaG. I ask for some data or stats to back up the claim that LMA is playing too many minutes, and somehow that is me attacking posters? You're a self-proclaimed "stat-guy", so you should be able to relate.

You were provided with quotes from LMA, as well as him having MRIs on both a hip and a knee in the past month. While this doesn't necessarily mean he's playing too many minutes, it isn't unreasonable to have the opinion that his heavy load in terms of minutes played may be contributing to any injury he suffers.

I'm not sure what kind of stats either prove or disprove that LMA is playing too many minutes. That said, if someone is of the opinion that playing 50 minutes 2 out of 3 nights isn't excessive, then I don't really value that person's opinion on minutes played by any player. You didn't want stats or data; if you had, you would have not have dismissed the quotes provided, as well as the injury data provided, in this thread.
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[blazerboy30]

You were provided with quotes from LMA, as well as him having MRIs on both a hip and a knee in the past month. While this doesn't necessarily mean he's playing too many minutes, it isn't unreasonable to have the opinion that his heavy load in terms of minutes played may be contributing to any injury he suffers.

It is reasonable to make a guess that playing a lot of minutes has something to do with his MRIs, but it certainly doesn't make those who don't immediately make that guess "fools". So, I asked how many minutes LMA should be playing. Yet, because the 42, 36, 39, etc numbers are not based on anything other than random guesses, nobody can actually answer the question realistically. Why shouldn't I ask for data to backup those claims?

I'm not sure what kind of stats either prove or disprove that LMA is playing too many minutes.

There won't be stats or data specific to LMA. I'm not asking for data specifically proving or disproving it for LMA. As has been shown, every player is different and we can find examples showing both. But it seems there is strong data with respect to pitches thrown and injury. It is reasonable to ask for data / stats that might be similar for basketball players.

That said, if someone is of the opinion that playing 50 minutes 2 out of 3 nights isn't excessive, then I don't really value that person's opinion on minutes played by any player.

But you don't have data to back that up. If you want to just go with your gut, you're free to do so, but it isn't unreasonable for me to ask for data before making a decision.

You didn't want stats or data; if you had, you would have not have dismissed the quotes provided, as well as the injury data provided, in this thread.
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You're confusing "quotes" and "stats / data". Quotes from a player do not suggest any kind of correlation between minutes played and injury. I would like to see some stats and data. Quotes are NOT stats.

 

[Blazinaway]

What a stupid post.

what a stupid thread this has deteriorated into

 

[PapaG]

It is reasonable to make a guess that playing a lot of minutes has something to do with his MRIs, but it certainly doesn't make those who don't immediately make that guess "fools". So, I asked how many minutes LMA should be playing. Yet, because the 42, 36, 39, etc numbers are not based on anything other than random guesses, nobody can actually answer the question realistically. Why shouldn't I ask for data to backup those claims?

I'm fine with him playing 38-42. Not 50, though.

There won't be stats or data specific to LMA. I'm not asking for data specifically proving or disproving it for LMA. As has been shown, every player is different and we can find examples showing both. But it seems there is strong data with respect to pitches thrown and injury. It is reasonable to ask for data / stats that might be similar for basketball players.

You say every player is different, yet you ask for data proving that LMA is playing too many minutes. What other data is there other than his own words and two MRIs?

But you don't have data to back that up. If you want to just go with your gut, you're free to do so, but it isn't unreasonable for me to ask for data before making a decision.

Well thank you, since that's exactly what I said in the post that you've responded to.

confusing "quotes" and "stats / data". Quotes from a player do not suggest any kind of correlation between minutes played and injury. I would like to see some stats and data. Quotes are NOT stats.

Stats and data from what? You just posted that every player is different. What stats prove or disprove anything regarding LMA. Some will say that quotes and MRIs mean he may be playing too much. Others say quotes and MRIs mean nothing. Both are reasonable positions, but askingfor "stats" and "data" seems rather foolish (if you will) to me. What stats do you have that prove the LMA should be playing 50mpg? He's been less productive down the stretch the past 3 games, hasn't he?

 

[blazerboy30]

I'm fine with him playing 38-42. Not 50, though.

Uh, ok. What is that based on?

You say every player is different, yet you ask for data proving that LMA is playing too many minutes. What other data is there other than his own words and two MRIs?

No offense, but you really don't understand statistics. Statistics will never prove something for an individual sample (player). Just as with the pitcher example, the model doesn't prove anything for an individual player, but it suggests a trend that, on average, pitchers will follow.

Well thank you, since that's exactly what I said in the post that you've responded to.

You're welcome.

Stats and data from what? You just posted that every player is different. What stats prove or disprove anything regarding LMA. Some will say that quotes and MRIs mean he may be playing too much. Others say quotes and MRIs mean nothing. Both are reasonable positions, but askingfor "stats" and "data" seems rather foolish (if you will) to me. What stats do you have that prove the LMA should be playing 50mpg? He's been less productive down the stretch the past 3 games, hasn't he?

Meh. Like I said above, you don't understand what statistical models actually mean or do. They won't prove something for an individual, but they can help influence your decisions for an individual player. It is just like our discussion when I pulled the PER and USG data for every player and gave you a linear correlation model that you didn't understand. It didn't prove something for any individual, but it still suggested that there was a positive correlation between PER and USG.

 

[PapaG]

Uh, ok. What is that based on?



No offense, but you really don't understand statistics. Statistics will never prove something for an individual sample (player). Just as with the pitcher example, the model doesn't prove anything for an individual player, but it suggests a trend that, on average, pitchers will follow.



You're welcome.



Meh. Like I said above, you don't understand what statistical models actually mean or do. They won't prove something for an individual, but they can help influence your decisions for an individual player. It is just like our discussion when I pulled the PER and USG data for every player and gave you a linear correlation model that you didn't understand. It didn't prove something for any individual, but it still suggested that there was a positive correlation between PER and USG.

"Meh"

"You don't get it"

"Like I said"

"You're welcome"

Fantastic reply, blazerboy.

I also understood the linear correlation between USG and PER; it just had no bearing at all on how that correlation applied to individual players, which was the entire point of that thread. A thread in which you were arguing against me, then realized that the data actually supported my opinions on outliers to some degree. Yet here you are again, asking for macro-level "stats/data" and trying to apply them as a tool of validiation people's opinions on LMA.

I still don't think you went to Stanford, btw, but that's for PMs, I guess.

 

[blazerboy30]

"Meh"

"You don't get it"

"Like I said"

"You're welcome"

Fantastic reply, blazerboy.

I also understood the linear correlation between USG and PER; it just had no bearing at all on how that correlation applied to individual players, which was the entire point of that thread. A thread in which you were arguing against me, then realized that the data actually supported my opinions on outliers to some degree. Yet here you are again, asking for macro-level "stats/data" and trying to apply them as a tool of validiation people's opinions on LMA.

Now you're just being silly, PapG. No point in trying to explain statistical models to you, or how to use them.

Clearly, it is obvious and common sense that LMA should be playing no more than 37.623 mpg. If you ask for data to back that claim up, you're a fool.

 

[PapaG]

"What are the stats/data for LMA playing too many minutes"

"Stats/data will never prove anything for an individual player"

Awesome logic!

 

[blazerboy30]

"What are the stats/data for LMA playing too many minutes"

"Stats/data will never prove anything for an individual player"

Those statements are not contradictory, when considering statistical models.

Awesome logic!

I realize that you don't understand statistics, which is why I'm done having a conversation with you on this. We'll just go with the 37.623mpg number that I stated above, and call it good.

 

[PapaG]

Those statements are not contradictory, when considering statistical models.



I realize that you don't understand statistics, which is why I'm done having a conversation with you on this. We'll just go with the 37.623mpg number that I stated above, and call it good.

Call what good? Your own analysis says that number means nothing in terms of assessing an individual player, which was the point of this thread.

You contradicted yourself, which should be obvious to almost everyone at this point. Of course you're done discussing this with me. you asked for correlating stats in order for RoyToy to back up his claims about LMA, yet you then also stated that these stats mean nothing in an individual case.

I hope you didn't go to Stanford. You didn't get your money's worth (or your parents didn't).

 

[PapaG]

Gee, LMA now says he is tired and could use some rest.

Clearly he needs to consult the experts in this thread to get his head straight!

 

[PapaG]

Even more funny is that blazerboy participated in this thread, yet had to ask me for the link to it.

 

[PapaG]

"What are the stats/data for LMA playing too many minutes"

"Stats/data will never prove anything for an individual player"

Awesome logic!

Why I don't consider blazerboy an expert, in a nutshell.

 

[blazerboy30]

Even more funny is that blazerboy participated in this thread, yet had to ask me for the link to it.

I asked you for a link backing up this statement:

I was told that the heavy minutes shouldn't have any effect on him. I read it by some experts on this very website!

That doesn't exist in this thread. Do you have a link to actually backup your statement?

 

[blazerboy30]

"What are the stats/data for LMA playing too many minutes"

"Stats/data will never prove anything for an individual player"

Awesome logic!

Why I don't consider blazerboy an expert, in a nutshell.

The funny thing is... Your understanding and knowledge of statistics is so incredibly bad (as you've shown many, many times), that you can't even see that those strawman statements aren't necessarily contradictory.

 

[PapaG]

The funny thing is... Your understanding and knowledge of statistics is so incredibly bad (as you've shown many, many times), that you can't even see that those strawman statements aren't necessarily contradictory.

Clearly a statistical whiz like you has better things to do than arguing logic with a burger flipper/fry cook, right?

Those aren't strawman statements, either. Those are separate arguments that you have made on this board. Don't get mad at me because I called you out on a rather contradictory argument, Will Hunting. You asked for a link; I provided a link, unrelated to you, yet that included you. I then read the thread again, and see you tie yourself up in a logical pretzel, and instead of treating it as a learning experience, you get upset at me.

You didn't like them apples, did you Will?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I asked you for a link backing up this statement:

I was told that the heavy minutes shouldn't have any effect on him. I read it by some experts on this very website!

That doesn't exist in this thread. Do you have a link to actually backup your statement?

Well, there is this series of posts in the first page of this thread.

I don't know anybody on this board that has stepped up to support the position that Aldridge isn't playing too much.

Actually STOMP did.

yeah I did. I listed several examples of recent players who've played similar type minutes far longer to what LA has lately...

While STOMP may not have specifically stated "heavy minutes shouldn't have any effect on him," he argued strongly that historical examples indicated that many players played big minutes in the past and that absent other health issues, big minutes alone should not be a concern. I don't see how PapaG misstated or overstated this at all.

 

[blazerboy30]

Well, there is this series of posts in the first page of this thread.



While STOMP may not have specifically stated "heavy minutes shouldn't have any effect on him," he argued strongly that historical examples indicated that many players played big minutes in the past and that absent other health issues, big minutes alone should not be a concern. I don't see how PapaG misstated or overstated this at all.

STOMP gave examples of players playing big minutes without injury. His examples simply show that you can't apply the "high minutes will cause injury" claim to every player. Proving something false is a lot easier than proving something true. STOMP simply proved that statement false.

I was only asking for some data to show that there is a strong, weak or statically significant correlation between "high" minutes in a population. In addition to the strength of the correlation, you would need to know the size of the residuals in the data set. I would like to see some data that reducing a player's minutes to some magical number of 37 instead of the evil number of 41 actually affects the probability of injury. If people want a players minutes reduced, they should have some idea of how much to reduce them by. Without data, we can all pull guesses out of our asses, but it doesn't mean a thing.

With regard to LMA, the population correlation mentioned above wouldn't prove that reducing LMA's minutes would help. They would suggest that on average, in a population it would help. Then, depending on the data fit, you can make an estimate as to the confidence level with which it would apply to LMA. If the correlation from the population contained large residuals (which it would) we would need another set of data specific to LMA to improve the confidence that LMA's minutes are correlated with injury.

PapaG is misstating things because he doesn't understand statistics and is trying to pick a fight with me instead. Nothing new to see here.

 

[PapaG]

PapaG is misstating things because he doesn't understand statistics and is trying to pick a fight with me instead. Nothing new to see here.

5 down, 5 to go! HALF WAY THERE!

 

[PapaG]

I was only asking for some data to show that there is a strong, weak or statically significant correlation between "high" minutes in a population.

That's neat, but the debate was framed about LMA, and his comments on being tired.

With regard to LMA, the population correlation mentioned above wouldn't prove that reducing LMA's minutes would help. They would suggest that on average, in a population it would help. Then, depending on the data fit, you can make an estimate as to the confidence level with which it would apply to LMA. If the correlation from the population contained large residuals (which it would) we would need another set of data specific to LMA to improve the confidence that LMA's minutes are correlated with injury.

Then why the fuck did you ask for them? They obviously also wouldn't prove that LMA playing extra minutes helps him. Also, since you apparently have defined the statistical parameters, why didn't/don't you just provide the statistics on your own, and explain to the rest of us dummies how they apply individually to LMA? LMA has said repeatedly that he is tired from playing so many minutes. Since you agree that no stat will prove this, don't we have to take him at his word?

You have defined the argument, yet you won't share your data. Better run to the correlation website and churn out some numbers that won't prove anything about LMA's individual case!

 

[Eastoff]

Inury is not tired. Sore is not pain. LMA is tired and sore, not injured and in pain.

 

[blazerboy30]

That's neat, but the debate was framed about LMA, and his comments on being tired.

Actually, this thread / debate was framed about LMA and his "soreness" and injury. Reading failure on your part....again.

Then why the fuck did you ask for them?

You just keep making it extremely clear you don't understand statistics. Keep going with it... it is cute. I'll just leave it at this: You can't seem to comprehend the difference between "proving" something and showing a correlation.

They obviously also wouldn't prove that LMA playing extra minutes helps him.

Strange strawman and tangent to run off on. Ignored.

Also, since you apparently have defined the statistical parameters, why didn't/don't you just provide the statistics on your own, and explain to the rest of us dummies how they apply individually to LMA?

I asked if anybody had data to back up their claims. You're the one getting butthurt about it. I honestly don't know if the data exists or if a correlation exists. That is why I asked if anybody had something. That is was reasonable people do instead of just jumping to random conclusions about how many minutes a player *should* be playing.

LMA has said repeatedly that he is tired from playing so many minutes. Since you agree that no stat will prove this, don't we have to take him at his word?

See above about your lacking of reading comprehension and how this was about injury, not being tired. Westnob mentions that below as well.

You have defined the argument, yet you won't share your data. Better run to the correlation website and churn out some numbers that won't prove anything about LMA's individual case!

I don't have the data, which is why I asked if anybody does. Not sure why that hurts your tender feelings so much.