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wizenheimer said:
I don't believe that; at least I don't believe that's true to any significant level

but if it is true, we should see positive results for Dame in lineups that include Melo

how about 5-man lineups:

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going down the list, when Dame and Melo shared the floor, the Blazers net points were:

-4.3
-14.3
-1.7
+0.6
+11.8
-2.2

note that the two net-positive units had Little or Giles, telling me that there's probably some noise in the numbers. Also, if you math, Dame/Melo were net-positive for 49:18 and net-negative for 138:02. That's not showing Melo doing anything positive for Dame

but of course, there are lots of variables at work here

how about just two-man lineups?

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well, the Dame/Melo combo is -1.7. The only Dame combo worse is he and Hood. The rest of Dame's combo's are net-positive. And unsurprising is that all 6 of the Melo combo's are net-negative

this isn't conclusive evidence. But it is pretty substantial evidence that Melo doesn't make life easier for Dame. Looks like the opposite is true
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watch the games......Michael Holton knows a bit about what's gone on game by game....but hey...if stats say Melo doesn't get attention, hey...you can live with that...it's not what I've seen...I really don't care to argue it or read your spread sheet ...everyone kn0ws our bench has struggled so far early in the season so I really don't care what that chart says about Dame's production with the bench....I'm saying Melo is getting doubled in the paint over and over....now that doesn't mean other players are making shots when he does....but fact is he does get attention with the ball
So saying Dame drops off with the bench mob is a no brainer but doesn't negate Holton's observation at all. Try the eye test for a change...or don't..This is also happening much more since Nurk and CJ have not been in the mix...and for your info....Dame has said repeatedly how much Melo has taken the pressure off him since joining the team....I'm going with his teammate's view of the situation
 
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wizenheimer said:
I don't believe that; at least I don't believe that's true to any significant level

but if it is true, we should see positive results for Dame in lineups that include Melo
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what a completely arbitrary metric to deem if Melo gets double teamed.
 
e_blazer said:
That's certainly not what he told the Oregonian in July of 2014 after he'd been offered a contract extension by the Blazers:

It wasn't until the following summer, after Pop and Duncan gave him the big sales pitch, that he changed his mind and joined the Spurs. The chance to play alongside Duncan, one of his basketball idols, and to be closer to family were reportedly big considerations.
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I know I've mentioned this before, but I was told in the spring of 2015 from a source (who would have known) that used to be with Portland and was with the Spurs at the time, that LMA had all but decided he was going to San Antonio.

The Portland, Phoenix, or San Antonio stuff was more-or-less a show.

Having said that, I would glady welcome back LMA for the minimum with open arms.
 
Natebishop3 said:
If you believe that, I have a bridge I can sell you.
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Whether a person chose to believe what LA said in the summer of 2014 is a personal decision. We all have different BS filter settings. The fact is that simply that’s what he said at the time. He was either lying (doubtful in my opinion) or he changed his mind in the space of a year. I find that much more plausible. Circumstances had changed. He could see that Dame was the shiny new object of Blazer fans’ attention and he didn’t like that. He also got a big sales job by the Spurs. Not sure why him changing his mind is seen as some nefarious situation by some of you.
 
e_blazer said:
Whether a person chose to believe what LA said in the summer of 2014 is a personal decision. We all have different BS filter settings. The fact is that simply that’s what he said at the time. He was either lying (doubtful in my opinion) or he changed his mind in the space of a year. I find that much more plausible. Circumstances had changed. He could see that Dame was the shiny new object of Blazer fans’ attention and he didn’t like that. He also got a big sales job by the Spurs. Not sure why him changing his mind is seen as some nefarious situation by some of you.
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You have to think though, if a dude is that meteoric, why would you risk it? He went from demanding a trade to loving the city to 100% being out the door in the span of a few years? That's simply a risk you don't take.
 
riverman said:
I'm saying Melo is getting doubled in the paint over and over....now that doesn't mean other players are making shots when he does....but fact is he does get attention with the ball
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This!

I don't care what a stat sheet says either. If they don't guard Melo he will torch them. Everyone knows this. Some teams have a good enough player to guard him one on one. Hello??? If they use that player on Melo they ain't using him on Lillard.
Other teams don't have a player that can guard him so they use two. Hello??? If they use two to guard him one of them isn't on Lillrad.

They pay plenty of attention to Melo and he still is getting 14 points a game off the bench. He is also shooting over 38% from three.

But STATS say different? really? Remember. Nobody guarded Aminu. NOBODY.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You have to think though, if a dude is that meteoric, why would you risk it? He went from demanding a trade to loving the city to 100% being out the door in the span of a few years? That's simply a risk you don't take.
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Not much risk in signing him to a one-year vets min contract if he gets bought out. That’s about as far as I would go.
 
Mediocre Man said:
No source. First hand. The team was notified the year before his contract ended that LMA was going to leave
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I think that is true. I honestly think his last season he knew he would leave unless they made a serious run. He left the door open so he could change his mind but when Wes went down it was over. I actually could see it in the way he played after that injury.
 
e_blazer said:
Not much risk in signing him to a one-year vets min contract if he gets bought out. That’s about as far as I would go.
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I think most agree. It's a vets min. he's a serviceable big they can use. He's better than Giles for sure.
 
e_blazer said:
Not much risk in signing him to a one-year vets min contract if he gets bought out. That’s about as far as I would go.
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Oh, I meant at the time. Not the present situation. We put all our chips on LMA returning and it blew up in our face.
 
Mediocre Man said:
No source. First hand. The team was notified the year before his contract ended that LMA was going to leave
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I’m not doubting you on that. That’s likely the reason Paul Allen and Olshey flew down to LA and gave Aldridge the sales pitch laying out an offer of an extension or a new contract at a later date. It was after that meeting that Aldridge issued the statements about wanting to remain with the Blazers and being willing to re-sign in the Summer of 2015. He changed his mind again.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Oh, I meant at the time. Not the present situation. We put all our chips on LMA returning and it blew up in our face.
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Okay, I can agree with that criticism of Olshey and Allen. They thought they had him convinced, but they got out-schmoozed by Pop.
 
Neil Olshey said Lamarcus had earned the right to explore free agency and that was known...Lamarcus said he had 4 teams to decide between but the Blazers were his second choice after the Spurs...he's from Texas...the mistake was the Blazer front office thinking they could keep him after he met with the Suns, Lakers and Spurs.....they gambled and lost and yes....should've traded him before that knowing what happened in hindsight....I don't believe he told them he was gone a year ahead of leaving ....as a matter of fact he's on tape saying the opposite. Paul Allen must have believed him then and was probably pissed when he bailed. It's all good though...things have a way of working out over time
 
AldoTrapani said:
I think this should be Dames choice. Whatever he’s ok with I’m down
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I love Dame but I don't think he should have shit to do with what the roster looks like. The only way he should have any effect on the roster is if our GM says that we're targeting a guy in free agency and Dame is asked to help recruit him.
 
riverman said:
Neil Olshey said Lamarcus had earned the right to explore free agency and that was known...Lamarcus said he had 4 teams to decide between but the Blazers were his second choice after the Spurs...he's from Texas...the mistake was the Blazer front office thinking they could keep him after he met with the Suns, Lakers and Spurs.....they gambled and lost and yes....should've traded him before that knowing what happened in hindsight....I don't believe he told them he was gone a year ahead of leaving ....as a matter of fact he's on tape saying the opposite. Paul Allen must have believed him then and was probably pissed when he bailed. It's all good though...thinks have a way of working out over time
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He was struggling with Dame becoming the star and his marketing ventures. It was tough for him allowing a player from a small school come in and bump him. I felt that if he wanted to help both himself and the Blazers he could have worked with them to orchestrate a trade. Oh well, I was actually glad he was able to go home and be with his son and mother, he sure did earn the right to do so.
 
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blazerkor said:
I love Dame but I don't think he should have shit to do with what the roster looks like. The only way he should have any effect on the roster is if our GM says that we're targeting a guy in free agency and Dame is asked to help recruit him.
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Maybe he shouldn't but he does...just like KD, Harden, Lebron, all the superstars...they lobby for teammates...it's why we have "big threes" joining forces and winning championships.....now not only can a player lobby for another player, seems they can lobby to get traded to a team with players they want to play with. Blake Griffin just said today it was KD who convinced him to choose the Nets...
 
blazerkor said:
I love Dame but I don't think he should have shit to do with what the roster looks like. The only way he should have any effect on the roster is if our GM says that we're targeting a guy in free agency and Dame is asked to help recruit him.
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How many super stars have there been that didnt have influence and/or say with their team? I agree with you though that it should be run like business and players are players and management is management, but we know thats not mostly the case.
 
Hoopguru said:
He was struggling with Dame becoming the star and his marketing ventures. It was tough for him allowing a player from a small school come in and bump him. In felt that if he wanted to help both himself and the Blazers he could have worked with them to orchestrate a trade. Oh well, I was actually glad he was able to go home and be with his son and mother, he sure did earn the right to do so.
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he didn't go home. he went to another team 300 miles away. he specifically said he didn't want to go to Dallas because it was "too close to home." I'm sorry, but that guy was fake as hell.
 
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illmatic99 said:
he didn't go home. he went to another team 300 miles away. he specifically said he didn't want to go to Dallas because it was "too close to home." I'm sorry, but that guy was fake as hell.
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Know, you are right. But I did think he eventually had his mom & kid move to SA. The kid 1/2 time.
 
Hoopguru said:
Know, you are right. But I did think he eventually had his mom & kid move to SA. The kid 1/2 time.
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Yes, he had a kid in San Antonio as well, but the narrative about the Mavs (as noted in the article I linked) was that there were too many voices and distractions in Dallas. He "wanted to be close to home — just not too close." So I don't buy it, and don't really care for it. I lost all respect for him after he abandoned his team and flew back to Portland after Game 2 in the playoffs on his own plane. Dude has some issues, and quite a lot of them were ego driven.
 
illmatic99 said:
Yes, he had a kid in San Antonio as well, but the narrative about the Mavs (as noted in the article I linked) was that there were too many voices and distractions in Dallas. He "wanted to be close to home — just not too close." So I don't buy it, and don't really care for it. I lost all respect for him after he abandoned his team and flew back to Portland after Game 2 in the playoffs on his own plane. Dude has some issues, and quite a lot of them were ego driven.
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Yeah, there's no doubt that Aldridge has a pretty large ego and is probably an annoying person to have influence on your work environment. If he were still a lead star, I wouldn't be particularly enthused about signing him back. But if he's coming back as a role-player, on a team that's quite clearly Dame's team, and Dame is cool with working with him...I think it makes the team better, which is what matters ultimately. It's not like, say, making peace with someone who committed sexual assault. Aldridge didn't do anything disqualifying, IMO, he just had an attitude that you wouldn't want in a leader.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, there's no doubt that Aldridge has a pretty large ego and is probably an annoying person to have influence on your work environment. If he were still a lead star, I wouldn't be particularly enthused about signing him back. But if he's coming back as a role-player, on a team that's quite clearly Dame's team, and Dame is cool with working with him...I think it makes the team better, which is what matters ultimately. It's not like, say, making peace with someone who committed sexual assault. Aldridge didn't do anything disqualifying, IMO, he just had an attitude that you wouldn't want in a leader.
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Do you truly think he would make our team better? i really don't see what he would bring to our team that we don't already have in Melo/Kanter. If this was two months ago, sure-- but Nurk's return is around the corner. It's more about opportunity cost for me. I'd rather fill a position of need.
 
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