All-Star: Vote Lillard!

[Mediocre Man]

we wouldve picked barnes, and use something besides PER for once its an overrated stat I dont just say that because of ricky, we have kevin love who PER favors very highly

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/te...-Rubio|1610612750,201937;year=201112;season=r

PER is pretty much the one stat that isn't overrated.

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

Wow, looking at last season (Rookie Year); his clutch numbers are a joke.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/pl...12;season=r;splitType=clutch ;splitValue=all

If only he was as good as Lillard

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/pl...13;season=r;splitType=clut ch;splitValue=all

[video=youtube;BU2ipHGUigE]
what they dont show is his defense on chauncey on the other end
new orleans pelican

and just last night, the last dime to pekovic tied the game
[video=youtube;0iPN0vVRyKw]

 

[Mediocre Man]

PER doesnt give much props to defense
which ricky does at an elite level

104 is not an elite level. That was Rubio's defensive rating last season (184th)

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

104 is not an elite level. That was Rubio's defensive rating last season (184th)

link

 

[Mediocre Man]

link

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_advanced.html Click on defensive rating and scroll all the way down to 184

 

[magnifier661]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_advanced.html Click on defensive rating and scroll all the way down to 184

Pwn'd

I thought "elite level" would be at least top 10?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

MM with the ownage.

But..but...but...PER means nothing.

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

Pwn'd

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/te...-Rubio|1610612750,201937;year=201112;season=r

 

[Mediocre Man]

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/te...-Rubio|1610612750,201937;year=201112;season=r

Cool, so Rubio is a better defender than your shitty back ups. Congrats

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

Cool, so Rubio is a better defender than your shitty back ups. Congrats

dont forget the steals
we are gonna be one tough perimeter D team when at full strength
AK and ricky will cause HAVOK, through in malcolm lee for a few stretches, GOT DAMN

 

[Mediocre Man]

dont forget the steals
we are gonna be one tough perimeter D team when at full strength
AK and ricky will cause HAVOK, through in malcolm lee for a few stretches, GOT DAMN

I don't think Rubio is a bad defender, I just think it's asinine to say he is an elite defender

 

[Jayps15]

Rubio PER at PG 14.8, Opposing PG's PER 16.4, net PER is negative 1.6
http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIN2.HTM#bypos

Lillard PER at PG 17.3, Opposing PG's PER 16.0, net PER is positive 1.3
http://www.82games.com/1213/12POR1.HTM#bypos

Yeah, Rubio sure is Elite defensively.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Oh my.

That ownage is just mean.

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

Rubio PER at PG 14.8, Opposing PG's PER 16.4, net PER is negative 1.6
http://www.82games.com/1112/11MIN2.HTM#bypos

Lillard PER at PG 17.3, Opposing PG's PER 16.0, net PER is positive 1.3
http://www.82games.com/1213/12POR1.HTM#bypos

Yeah, Rubio sure is Elite defensively.

it should be opposing PGs PER in that game compared to their overall PER
like i said, per hates rubio
would you rather have lou williams or rubio?

 

[Mediocre Man]

it should be opposing PGs PER in that game compared to their overall PER
like i said, per hates rubio
would you rather have lou williams or rubio?

Depends on what I wanted from my PG


Last year, PER 36 minutes

Williams
Shot better
Got to the line more
Scored twice as much
Had a way higher PER
Had a higher offensive rating
Had a higher defensive rating
Had a better assist to TO ratio


Rubio rebounded more
Assisted twice as much

Rubio

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

Depends on what I wanted from my PG

ok

sell tickets/merch - ricky
attract FAs - ricky
Run an offense - ricky
bring a great attitude to the locker room- ricky
take a last second shot - lou

 

[Mediocre Man]

ok

sell tickets/merch - ricky
attract FAs - ricky
Run an offense - ricky
bring a great attitude to the locker room- ricky
take a last second shot - lou

You have no clue on locker room
Williams is technically a 2 guard
Williams' teams win more

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

"Take a last second shot" is really selling him short in comparison to Ricky. Scoring the ball, Rubio is truly one of the worst in the NBA. His % are right there with Sergio Rodriguez.

35 FG%
34 3pt% (on only 94 attempts)
39 eFG%
47 TS%

Actually, now looking at the actual numbers, he's worse than Sergio across the board.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

"Take a last second shot" is really selling him short in comparison to Ricky. Scoring the ball, Rubio is truly one of the worst in the NBA. His % are right there with Sergio Rodriguez.

35 FG%
34 3pt% (on only 94 attempts)
39 eFG%
47 TS%

Actually, now looking at the actual numbers, he's worse than Sergio across the board.

Sergio was actually significantly better in some.

And Sergio was absolutely brutal when he had to score. Nolan Smith-bad.

 

[DamesGotTheGame]

You have no clue on locker room
Williams is technically a 2 guard
Williams' teams win more

its widely known around the state and throughout that ricky is the nicest person ever, the media loves him and his positivity
he has never said a bad thing about anyone

and williams is in the east
if you swapped ricky for lou last year, the wolves wouldve been about 5th, we were so terrible without him

 

[magnifier661]

DamesGotTheGame - Banned

I think his official "MELTDOWN" just did him in.

 

[Eastoff]

its widely known around the state and throughout that ricky is the nicest person ever, the media loves him and his positivity
he has never said a bad thing about anyone

and williams is in the east
if you swapped ricky for lou last year, the wolves wouldve been about 5th, we were so terrible without him

I know he already left, but it looks like Rickie is just an attention whore, and a man-child.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

MasterChef really lost it when he realized just how (historically?) bad Rubio is shooting/scoring the ball.

He didn't like the Sergio Rodriguez advanced stat comparison.

 

[jlprk]

DamesGotTheGame - Banned

I think his official "MELTDOWN" just did him in.

I enjoyed reading this thread. He argued constructively. Both sides cited sources and videos.

 

[magnifier661]

I enjoyed reading this thread. He argued constructively. Both sides cited sources and videos.

Me too. It made my day.