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LayneStaley said:
I’d say 10%
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I don't think the league would, for whatever reason, let the Kings stay in Sacramento, but approve the sell of the Blazers to someone who wants to move them to Seattle or Vegas.

This is paranoid delusion at its finest.

So, par for the course when it comes to Blazer fans.
 
Shanghai. Blazers are moving to Shanghai. You all know it, deep down.

barfo
 
blazerkor said:
If you were handicapping this what would you say the odds are that the Blazers are relocated to any other market. I'd say the odds that they Blazers get moved are under 15%.
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I don't even know dude.... we aren't privy to all the information. I wish we knew who about who is talking about buying the team.
 
julius said:
This is paranoid delusion at its finest.
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Natebishop3 said:
I don't even know dude.... we aren't privy to all the information. I wish we knew who about who is talking about buying the team.
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You're right. There are a lot of variables that we're completely in the dark on. It seems to me that the set values make it very very likely that our team will stay but those variables that we're waiting to see on are definitely big enough to sway that likelihood the other way.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It all depends on whether expansion is real or not. If some owners legitimately do not want to expand.... and also whether they think the talent pool is too thin. It just feels like the NBA isn't as talented as it used to be, so you're talking about watering it down even further.

I could see the league valuing a team in Vegas over Seattle or Portland.
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if expansion was about expansion fees the NBA would have 50 teams. But expansion sure seems to be on hold and it looks like a majority of owners want to get a lot further into the new media deal (that starts this season) before diluting the shares, and talent, further

it doesn't matter how may time fans argue that the math of expansion is 'logical', the owners can do math too; and they have accountants that can do it even better

I don't think there's any chance that the Blazers could be moved to Seattle. Vegas is another matter
 
wizenheimer said:
if expansion was about expansion fees the NBA would have 50 teams. But expansion sure seems to be on hold and it looks like a majority of owners want to get a lot further into the new media deal (that starts this season) before diluting the shares, and talent, further

it doesn't matter how may time fans argue that the math of expansion is 'logical', the owners can do math too; and they have accountants that can do it even better

I don't think there's any chance that the Blazers could be moved to Seattle. Vegas is another matter
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Adding 2 teams is not the same as adding 20 teams.

fallacy much?
 
if the new owners want a new arena, it's going to be up to the City of Portland and what kind of financial backing they are willing to provide? Will voters grab the rebound and fast break a new package/bond in order to keep the team here?
 
Hoopguru said:
if the new owners want a new arena, it's going to be up to the City of Portland and what kind of financial backing they are willing to provide? Will voters grab the rebound and fast break a new package/bond in order to keep the team here?
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The good news is Ron Wyden has assembled a team to explore how to keep the team in Portland along with Kevin Love and several other prominent Oregonians
 
julius said:
Adding 2 teams is not the same as adding 20 teams.

fallacy much?
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and adding 0 teams is not the same as adding 2 teams and it's becoming apparent that expansion is on the back burner for a significant portion of the new 11 year media deal that starts this season....or at least that appears to be the current state of affairs

this guy does a pretty good job of summarizing the issues (and he doesn't really agree with your math about expansion fees):




also:

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...t-compete-now-to-remain-rip-city-forever.html
 
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Completely abandoning the PNW seems dumb. If expansion isn’t a thing for awhile they would also be pissing off all the Seattle fans(again) that have started following the Blazers.
 
LayneStaley said:
Completely abandoning the PNW seems dumb. If expansion isn’t a thing for awhile they would also be pissing off all the Seattle fans(again) that have started following the Blazers.
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I'm not sure that's a compelling argument for the NBA and it's owners

when the Sonics left Seattle in 2007-08, the estimated value of the NBA was 10-11B with 3.7B in revenue. Currently the estimated value is around 130B with 11-12B in revenue, and those revenue numbers are going to go way up

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wizenheimer said:
and adding 0 teams is not the same as adding 2 teams and it's becoming apparent that expansion is on the back burner for a significant portion of the new 11 year media deal that starts this season....or at least that appears to be the current state of affairs

this guy does a pretty good job of summarizing the issues (and he doesn't really agree with your math about expansion fees):




also:

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...t-compete-now-to-remain-rip-city-forever.html
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Yup. This definitely highlights the problems facing expansion.

Sure, there are other teams that make more sense to move..... but they're not for sale.
 
THE HCP said:
Unfortunately, that is all the team’s offices as well
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With what I was saying, they would be replacing it and making the place look better.
 
wizenheimer said:
and adding 0 teams is not the same as adding 2 teams and it's becoming apparent that expansion is on the back burner for a significant portion of the new 11 year media deal that starts this season....or at least that appears to be the current state of affairs

this guy does a pretty good job of summarizing the issues (and he doesn't really agree with your math about expansion fees):




also:

https://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/...t-compete-now-to-remain-rip-city-forever.html
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If you don't have time to watch the entire video, skip ahead to 4:00.

The reason for no expansion is the obvious one. it's the owners that control the league do not want to dilute future income streams.
The loss of future income cannot be offset by expansion fees, as the expansion fee is a one-time amount, and the loss of income is continuous.
 
blazerfan11 said:
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The loss of future income cannot be offset by expansion fees, as the expansion fee is a one-time amount, and the loss of income is continuous.
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If you believe that the NBA will last forever, and will keep appreciating forever, and that you (an NBA owner) will live forever, then sure, you'd be crazy to trade cash now for the future income stream.

But if I was an NBA owner, and thought the end of the gravy train might be on the horizon, I might want to slaughter the cow now and eat steak, rather than continue to milk it daily. Dairy farming is a dirty business to be in.

Alternatively, you might believe that the new teams would add new NBA fans, which would increase the value of all future TV contracts, and thus you'd profit on the front end and on the back end.

And that's why the owners will approve the Blazers move to Shanghai.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I might want to slaughter the cow now and eat steak, rather than continue to milk it daily. Dairy farming is a dirty business to be in.
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Dairy cows can be used for beef, including steaks, but they are generally not ideal for high-end steak cuts compared to cattle raised specifically for beef (like Angus or Hereford). Here's why:

✅ What’s Good:
  • Flavor: Older dairy cows (often culled after their milking years) can produce beef with deep, rich flavor — some chefs and butchers even seek it out for this reason.

  • Sustainability: Using dairy cows for beef is economical and reduces waste in the livestock industry.
⚠️ What’s Not Ideal:
  • Tenderness: Dairy cows are older and more muscular from years of activity, making their meat tougher than young beef cattle.

  • Marbling: Beef breeds are selected for intramuscular fat (marbling), which dairy cows tend to lack. Less marbling = less juicy, tender steaks.
Common Use:
  • Most dairy cow meat is used in ground beef, stew meat, processed meats, or braising cuts (like chuck or round). High-end steaks (ribeye, sirloin) from dairy cows are rare and need careful aging or slow cooking.
If you're looking for a flavorful steak and don’t mind a bit of chew, a well-aged steak from a dairy cow can surprise you. But for consistently tender, juicy, high-end steakhouse cuts, beef cattle are a better choice.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not sure that's a compelling argument for the NBA and it's owners

when the Sonics left Seattle in 2007-08, the estimated value of the NBA was 10-11B with 3.7B in revenue. Currently the estimated value is around 130B with 11-12B in revenue, and those revenue numbers are going to go way up

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I do think that the bad PR from moving the Sonics sounds like it is compelling to the owners. That's how it has been conveyed by Adam Silver. I also think that the fact that the Grizzlies, Pelicans and Timberwolves are all making less money a year than us and have a lower valuation than we do as a franchise as currently constituted makes it more likely that we will continue to have the Blazers here in Portland. I'm saying it would make more sense for Vegas to poach one of those three teams, none of which have the history that we do.

I think it does help that state and local government seem to be willing to do something to keep the team here as well. We all know that when the Sonics were for sale and after the sale but before the move that state and local government up there were adamant that they weren't going to help a billionaire owner out with an upgraded or brand new venue. So I understand that it's far more than a 0% chance that our team gets moved within a few years of the sale... I just think that chance is far lower than 50%.
 
blazerkor said:
I do think that the bad PR from moving the Sonics sounds like it is compelling to the owners. That's how it has been conveyed by Adam Silver. I also think that the fact that the Grizzlies, Pelicans and Timberwolves are all making less money a year than us and have a lower valuation than we do as a franchise as currently constituted makes it more likely that we will continue to have the Blazers here in Portland. I'm saying it would make more sense for Vegas to poach one of those three teams, none of which have the history that we do.

I think it does help that state and local government seem to be willing to do something to keep the team here as well. We all know that when the Sonics were for sale and after the sale but before the move that state and local government up there were adamant that they weren't going to help a billionaire owner out with an upgraded or brand new venue. So I understand that it's far more than a 0% chance that our team gets moved within a few years of the sale... I just think that chance is far lower than 50%.
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I'm only going to question one of your assumptions: the one saying that the state and local governments are up to the task. In case you're not aware the legislature just adjourned WITHOUT a budget for roads, highways, and bridges. Both sides said it was needed, but they couldn't come close to a compromise. And after Silver said a new arena might be needed, the joint statement from the governor and the mayor said a renovation of the Moda would be enough...no new arena needed. And we know that talking about a project is a hell of lot easier than coming up with funding. Stating intent costs nothing

I don't believe the Blazers will move but I'm not naive enough to believe a bunch of billionaire owners will actually give a shit about a team being in Portland, especially when the alternative might be Las Vegas
 
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