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I wonder how hard Schmitz is pushing Cronin to take him.

Can’t be a coincidence that he’s high on him and Daniels is our only lottery workout so far.
 
Said he is pushing 6'8". More interesting.

Very well spoken and comes off as very mature for his age. Like his defensive flexibility.

Had a nice run to finish the year shooting ~45% from '3'. The Blazers could use a player that is that defensively switchable and can make a playmaking decision. The float game is strong. I like him.
 
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1:20 into this video Daniels details that he's grown from 6'7 barefoot to pushing 6'8. Thats quite the growth spurt he's on since he just measured 6'6 barefoot way back May 16, 2022.

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I think Daniels is a decent prospect. I just don't like him at 7, where potentially go-to guys who could be stars might be available.

More like a mid-first, late lottery kinda guy. Similar tier as Sochan for me.
 
This video was filmed in late March so unless they really botched his measurements at the combine, he's 6'6" barefoot.
 
We’re gonna trade the 7th pick to Toronto for OG, they’re gonna draft Daniels, and he’ll develop into an all star.
 
I think Daniels is a decent prospect. I just don't like him at 7, where potentially go-to guys who could be stars might be available.

More like a mid-first, late lottery kinda guy. Similar tier as Sochan for me.

That is a fair statement. But who do you consider a go-to guy in this draft? I would not consider Murray to be that guy, and that sounds like who most want at #7
 
That is a fair statement. But who do you consider a go-to guy in this draft? I would not consider Murray to be that guy, and that sounds like who most want at #7
I disagree on Murray. I think he can be a 20pt scorer in the league fairly soon. If the talk about ivey dropping is real, I'd thank my lucky stars and draft him. I even see Johnny Davis and maybe Mathurin having the ability to score in bunches if needed from the team.
 
1:20 into this video Daniels details that he's grown from 6'7 barefoot to pushing 6'8. Thats quite the growth spurt he's on since he just measured 6'6 barefoot way back May 16, 2022.

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He must be lying... we all know people stop growing soon as they turn 16.
 
I think Daniels is a decent prospect. I just don't like him at 7, where potentially go-to guys who could be stars might be available.

More like a mid-first, late lottery kinda guy. Similar tier as Sochan for me.

USA Today had a Mock with Daniels at #6 to the Pacers and NBA Draft Room has him up to #5. He is really climbing in most Mocks.
 
We’re gonna trade the 7th pick to Toronto for OG, they’re gonna draft Daniels, and he’ll develop into an all star.

sadly true. Knowing that their scouting is so good, we should just act like we are trading with them, get them to give us their pick for 7, then just draft that player ourselves. I trust Masai’s player evaluation skills more than Joe
 
What people think they see: a smaller, poor man's version of Ben Simmons. What he likely is: Evan Turner, part 2.
 
USA Today had a Mock with Daniels at #6 to the Pacers and NBA Draft Room has him up to #5. He is really climbing in most Mocks.
If they don't regularly change up the order reranking guys, who will read the adverts?

I like him, don't love him. IF he develops a consistent deep ball to keep the D guessing, then he'll be a real positive on offense. That skill isn't a given to add but it's a reasonable bet he will in time. I'd love to have multiple playmakers in the rotation but since he's not a top level run jump athlete, until that shot comes along he'll be pretty limited offensively. I don't think he'll ever be the primary point but would fit nice beside smaller more athletic combo guards... like Ant.

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I disagree on Murray. I think he can be a 20pt scorer in the league fairly soon. If the talk about ivey dropping is real, I'd thank my lucky stars and draft him. I even see Johnny Davis and maybe Mathurin having the ability to score in bunches if needed from the team.

Yes, he can be a 20 pt scorer because he is a good outside shooter and looks like he will fit well in the NBA game. But I am not convinced he will be a g0-to guy against NBA defenses. Does he have the ball-handling skills for that?
 
If they don't regularly change up the order reranking guys, who will read the adverts?

I like him, don't love him. IF he develops a consistent deep ball to keep the D guessing, then he'll be a real positive on offense. That skill isn't a given to add but it's a reasonable bet he will in time. I'd love to have multiple playmakers in the rotation but since he's not a top level run jump athlete, until that shot comes along he'll be pretty limited offensively. I don't think he'll ever be the primary point but would fit nice beside smaller more athletic combo guards... like Ant.

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He just turned 19. Plenty of room for growth. He’s long, defensive minded and has guard skills.
 
Yes, he can be a 20 pt scorer because he is a good outside shooter and looks like he will fit well in the NBA game. But I am not convinced he will be a g0-to guy against NBA defenses. Does he have the ball-handling skills for that?
i think so. gets low on his handle, and can go left or right. gets wherever he wants to on the floor. especially in secondary breaks and in transition. i love how he quickly comes to the front court after defensive rebounds and scores before defenses get set.

the potential downside i see is his lack of separation from defenders using his first step in the half court, but he's crafty enough and smooth enough to get a clean look when you wouldn't expect him to. i want to see how this translates at the NBA level, but i think this is probably the thing that makes Paolo a much better prospect than him (otherwise, their skillsets and scoring are fairly similar).
 
What people think they see: a smaller, poor man's version of Ben Simmons. What he likely is: Evan Turner, part 2.
decent comp, but ET had a much better body of work before he came to the league. and he was a good playmaker in the halfcourt in college. he was unworthy of the #2 pick but there were people who compared him to BRoy.

i think Ntilikina and Exum are more apt comps.
 
He just turned 19. Plenty of room for growth. He’s long, defensive minded and has guard skills.
All givens. I won't beat my head against the wall if they draft him, but I will cross my fingers he develops as I recognize where he's at as well as where he could end up IF/when he adds a reliable outside threat. Mostly, I like other probable options at #7 better. I'm still waiting to hear about what I'm apparently missing on Jalen Duren that has him likely available when we select. Whats exactly wrong with the bigger, faster, jump out of the gym, coordinated 18.5 year old kid who seems physically like a buff Jaren Jackson Jr. but oriented to inside play? Good grief think of Dame or Ant taking dudes off the dribble and having that monster to throw it up to when the shot blocker comes over. Of defending up on jump shooters because of the shot blocker looming.

Sorry I'm digressing from the thread, but I've gone down a Jalen Duren rabbit hole today lying low post Covid booster shot. Bear with me...

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All givens. I won't beat my head against the wall if they draft him, but I will cross my fingers he develops as I recognize where he's at as well as where he could end up IF/when he adds a reliable outside threat. Mostly, I like other probable options at #7 better. I'm still waiting to hear about what I'm apparently missing on Jalen Duren that has him likely available when we select. Whats exactly wrong with the bigger, faster, jump out of the gym, coordinated 18.5 year old kid who seems physically like a buff Jaren Jackson Jr. but oriented to inside play? Good grief think of Dame or Ant taking dudes off the dribble and having that monster to throw it up to when the shot blocker comes over. Of defending up on jump shooters because of the shot blocker looming.

Sorry I'm digressing from the thread, but I've gone down a Jalen Duren rabbit hole today lying low post Covid booster shot. Bear with me...

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If Joe Cronin really does like to take a big swing on high-upside, the two prospects that might fall to the 7th spot would be Shaedon Sharpe and Jalen Duren. Duren will almost certainly be there at the 7th pick. Many "experts" think Duren could end up being the best or one of the best players from this draft class. I said before that Duren is the player that would be the best fit for Damian Lillard and Anfernee Simons among the prospects that should be available. Lillard has never had a pick and roll partner that can snatch the ball out of the sky and jam it even if the pass isn't perfect. Some people think this isn't a skill or a valuable skill. We know by our years with Nurkic it definitely isn't a given. Or look at Gobert fumbling a ball right at the hoop. It is a valuable skill and together with Lillard or Simons it's a scary threat for the defense.
By the way, are you worried about his actual height? He didn't measure at the combine.
 
If Joe Cronin really does like to take a big swing on high-upside, the two prospects that might fall to the 7th spot would be Shaedon Sharpe and Jalen Duren. Duren will almost certainly be there at the 7th pick. Many "experts" think Duren could end up being the best or one of the best players from this draft class. I said before that Duren is the player that would be the best fit for Damian Lillard and Anfernee Simons among the prospects that should be available. Lillard has never had a pick and roll partner that can snatch the ball out of the sky and jam it even if the pass isn't perfect. Some people think this isn't a skill or a valuable skill. We know by our years with Nurkic it definitely isn't a given. Or look at Gobert fumbling a ball right at the hoop. It is a valuable skill and together with Lillard or Simons it's a scary threat for the defense.
By the way, are you worried about his actual height? He didn't measure at the combine.
Jalen Duren would have a really good chance of becoming a star if he gets drafted by the Spurs.
 
I'm still waiting to hear about what I'm apparently missing on Jalen Duren that has him likely available when we select. Whats exactly wrong with the bigger, faster, jump out of the gym, coordinated 18.5 year old kid who seems physically like a buff Jaren Jackson Jr. but oriented to inside play?

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I think the things you’re missing aren’t necessarily Duren’s fault. Duren isn’t a guy that can handle or bring the ball up the court, which is becoming increasingly more important. Wasn’t ever a good FT shooter in college, so you’re gonna have a hard time convincing me he’ll ever even be an average 3pt shooter in the NBA. He was a freak in college but got 8 shots off a game, usually off oreb or dump offs/lobs.

I’d definitely consider him if we traded down to outside the top 10. His age and physicals are intriguing, but when have we ever had a rookie C that didn’t get called for too many fouls.

Right now, while he’s built like a buff Jaren Jackson Jr, but he plays like a Robert Williams + 3 inches. Robert Williams was 6’9 240lb at the combine, if Robert Williams grew 3 inches, I’m still not sure if he’d be a top 10 pick that year.

Good grief think of Dame or Ant taking dudes off the dribble and having that monster to throw it up to when the shot blocker comes over.

Guys like Bamba and Capela can do that. You don’t necessarily need a 250lber to do that. You need need an athletic guy in the dunker spot.
 
Don't draft raw centers who can't dribble or shoot in the lottery. Learn from history. They don't ever work out. If we have the 15th pick... fine take a shot at Duren, but not at 7.
You're not serious, are you? I'm guessing that's a sarcastic comment.
Robert Williams III. I don't see any shooting or dribbling. But the same kind of impact Duren could have immediately - rebounding, defense, and scoring at the hoop. Rebounding and defense are pretty important. No, he wasn't drafted in the lottery, which seems to be an odd criteria of whether a player will succeed or not.
 
You're not serious, are you? I'm guessing that's a sarcastic comment.
Robert Williams III. I don't see any shooting or dribbling. But the same kind of impact Duren could have immediately - rebounding, defense, and scoring at the hoop. Rebounding and defense are pretty important. No, he wasn't drafted in the lottery, which seems to be an odd criteria of whether a player will succeed or not.

You missed my point.

Rob Williams was the 27th pick. Gobert was the 27th pick. Jokic was the 41st pick. Bam was the 14th pick. Allen was the 22nd pick. Vucevic was the 16th pick. Nurkic was the 16th pick.

Starting caliber centers are usually found later on in the draft.

The opportunity cost of drafting a center with higher bust potential at #7 is too great with potentially star caliber wings on the board.

Duren is not a center prospect in the caliber of Mobley/Towns/Ayton/Embiid/etc. Hell, he doesn't even profile as well as the last bigman to come out of Memphis that is looking very much like a bust (Wiseman).

I just spent the last 30 minutes watching Thabeet videos at UConn, and was baffled at how he was drafted 5 spots ahead of Steph. Let's not be the one to make a similar mistake with Jalen. The risk of missing out on a better prospect (obviously not one of Steph's caliber but still good) is too great. The risk is far less if you're picking 15.
 
You're not serious, are you? I'm guessing that's a sarcastic comment.
Robert Williams III. I don't see any shooting or dribbling. But the same kind of impact Duren could have immediately - rebounding, defense, and scoring at the hoop. Rebounding and defense are pretty important. No, he wasn't drafted in the lottery, which seems to be an odd criteria of whether a player will succeed or not.

That was the #27th pick in the draft, not #7. Using Robert Williams doesn’t help your point.

Jaxson Hayes, Mo Bamba, those guys were actual lottery picks, and they work against your point lol.

You also do realize it took Williams 4 years to get to that point right? I remember seeing Williams struggle to get minutes his first 3 years. Dame will be like 34-35 in 4 years, it’s only worth the pick if you think he’ll be a 20ppg guy. But these days, the 20ppg bigs shoot 3s.
 
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