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Blazers GM appoints you assistant and gives you the following options on draft night:

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If Jase is BPA then take him.

I personally prefer him over a senior like Coward but it's so hard to know with any prospect.

If I were assistant GM and Cronin put me in charge of the draft I'd hire good scouts to do the bulk of the work to figure out who is BPA.
 
Of the three options I believe Clifford will have the more successful career. The original question didn’t specify what pick would be used so in this scenario the blazers would trade back a bit.
 
STOMP said:
this is you trying to divert attention rather then accept clear reality. Obviously you dug trying to come up with a current relevant player who is his size & failed

STOMP
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Obviously. You were too smart for me. I've come around: I now think that the NBA should be like roller coasters: there should be a "You must be this tall to get drafted" sign at the combine and it should be set to AT LEAST 6'4" so these little fuckers just stop WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME.
 
Kell said:
Of the three options I believe Clifford will have the more successful career. The original question didn’t specify what pick would be used so in this scenario the blazers would trade back a bit.
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Nope. You have to use up #11 on the old fashioned principle that if you want a guy you should be prepared to pay him.
 
TBpup said:
To be honest, I've had my fill of small guards for over a decade.
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[Voiceover: At least that's what he THOUGHT. But little did he know, he would soon meet the player that would help him learn to love again....]
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Obviously. You were too smart for me. I've come around: I now think that the NBA should be like roller coasters: there should be a "You must be this tall to get drafted" sign at the combine and it should be set to AT LEAST 6'4" so these little fuckers just stop WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME.
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I'm not sorry for having a philosophy for building a team. I have always preferred having plus sized athletic guys at every position who can defend as I believe in the big picture that wins the battle for loose balls, rebounds, cuts down passing lanes & forces tougher shots... see OKC. Sure it's great to watch a smaller guy outmaneuvering & besting giants, but he's got to be truly special (like Kyrie) to make up for the other stuff he falls short on. Much of today's NBA offense is high pick and roll trying to get the team's best offensive player matched up on the defending team's weakest defender. I like that management seems to be trying to build this Blazer team without obvious guys to target.

Anyhoo, thats long been my opinion which you and others are free to disagree with. Heck there are exceptions to every rule as greatness just is... I just don't see Jase as great enough of a prospect to overcome what he's going to give up being small. Heck, I'd think a lot more of him if his handle and passing were strengths but they aren't. To be at his best he needs to play alongside a bigger PG... maybe Fez's Rockets will take him if they view Reed Sheppard as a bust

STOMP
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
He's #2 on my big board for the 11 pick. I would prefer Noa. Jase would be an absolute steal at #16 (if we acquire it)
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I had him #2 on the board as well until I realized he couldn’t reach that high on the board, so I moved him down to #12
 
I will say if we draft Jase and keep both Simons Scoot it will be a logjam at guard!
 
Is Jase ready for a big role as a rookie?

I guess if the Blazers project he's not they could draft him, bench him, but aim to trade Simons at the deadline or let him walk next summer.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
No - I got this from online from somebody who subscribes.
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Doing some other sloothing - These are freshmen that ended up in the top-10 of the NCAA.

Zion Williamson - 20.1 (2019)
Chet Holmgren - 15.0 (2022)
Evan Mobley - 13.7 (2021)
Derrick White - 12.4 (2017)
Brandon Miller - 12.0 (2023)
Lonzo Ball - 12.0 (2017)
Jaren Jackson Jr. - 11.7 (2018)
Onyeka Okongwu - 11.6 (2020)
Wendell Carter Jr. - 11.4 (2018)
Reed Sheppard - 11.4 (2024)
Vernon Carey Jr. - 11.3 (2020)
Jabari Smith - 11.1 (2022)
Trae Young - 11.1 (2018)
Deandre Ayton - 11.0 (2018)

This appears to be a decent metric to at least find a least a playable guy (assuming good health).
 
Jase seems like he has great potential to be a star guard in the NBA. If he was 6'6" hed probably be the clear #2 pick. But being shorter he might be available at our #11 spot.

Now do the bigger players in the draft have better two way impact if they realize their potential? Absolutely. A player like Camara or Deni is just more helpful to build a contender than a small poor defender like Dame/CJ/Simons are.

But if we can add a Dame/CJ/Simons type of player at the end of the lottery I'm all for it. That's a huge addition of talent for our future. The two way forwards at #11 are not close to that level of quality. I don't like the idea of drafting old seniors like Coward/Knecht/Kris Murray.

Scoot defense has been a very pleasant surprise - so a guard rotation with him and Jase would be fine. Probably can't have all three of these guys (with Ant) for more than a season.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Jase seems like he has great potential to be a star guard in the NBA. If he was 6'6" hed probably be the clear #2 pick. But being shorter he might be available at our #11 spot.
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I will be very surprised if he's not available at #11 & expect he'll go somewhere around 16-18

STOMP
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
Doing some other sloothing - These are freshmen that ended up in the top-10 of the NCAA.

Zion Williamson - 20.1 (2019)
Chet Holmgren - 15.0 (2022)
Evan Mobley - 13.7 (2021)
Derrick White - 12.4 (2017)
Brandon Miller - 12.0 (2023)
Lonzo Ball - 12.0 (2017)
Jaren Jackson Jr. - 11.7 (2018)
Onyeka Okongwu - 11.6 (2020)
Wendell Carter Jr. - 11.4 (2018)
Reed Sheppard - 11.4 (2024)
Vernon Carey Jr. - 11.3 (2020)
Jabari Smith - 11.1 (2022)
Trae Young - 11.1 (2018)
Deandre Ayton - 11.0 (2018)

This appears to be a decent metric to at least find a least a playable guy (assuming good health).
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Reed Sheppard was seen as a truly elite prospect. Of course, given his struggles in his rookie year, his case might be used as cautionary, but I think that's more to do with Amen Thompson making the leap and Ime Udoka's extreme focus on defense. Sheppard certainly looked fine in the G-League.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Reed Sheppard was seen as a truly elite prospect. Of course, given his struggles in his rookie year, his case might be used as cautionary, but I think that's more to do with Amen Thompson making the leap and Ime Udoka's extreme focus on defense. Sheppard certainly looked fine in the G-League.
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Because the G League has shown to be such an accurate predictor of talent :lol:
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Reed Sheppard was seen as a truly elite prospect. Of course, given his struggles in his rookie year, his case might be used as cautionary, but I think that's more to do with Amen Thompson making the leap and Ime Udoka's extreme focus on defense. Sheppard certainly looked fine in the G-League.
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His shooting, hands/anticipation on D / awareness (rebounds and assists) — would love to see him go to Portland as a long-term, back-up point guard. Measured just under 6’2.
 
just out of curiosity, I wanted to see the players who have been 6'1 and under in the last half dozen drafts. Jase is 6' 0.5"

Ky Bowman 6' 1''
Kyle Guy 6' 0.75''
Devon Dotson 6' 0''
Shamorie Ponds 5' 11.5''
Carsen Edwards 5' 10.75''
Jared Harper 5' 9.75''
Tremont Waters 5' 9.5''

Devon Dotson 6'0.50''
Myles Powell 6'0.50''
Cassius Winston 6'0.50''
Grant Riller 6'0.25''
Markus Howard 5'9.50''

Devon Dotson 6'0.50''
Myles Powell 6'0.50''
Cassius Winston 6'0.50''
Grant Riller 6'0.25''
Markus Howard 5'9.50''

Jean Montero 6' 1.00''
JD Davison 6' 0.50''
Scotty Pippen Jr. 6' 0.00''
Kennedy Chandler 5' 11.50''

Adam Flagler 6' 1.00''
Mike Miles Jr. 6' 0.75''

Robert Dillingham 6' 1.00''
Boogie Ellis 6' 0.75''
Jamal Shead 6' 0.25''
KJ Simpson 6' 0.25''
Mark Sears 5' 10.25''

now, I started in the 2019 draft to hit that half-dozen mark. If I would have started 1 year earlier in the 2018 draft:

Jalen Brunson 6' 1''
Collin Sexton 6' 0.5''
Trae Young 6' 0.5''
Jevon Carter 6' 0.25''
Devonte Graham 6' 0.25''
Aaron Holiday 5' 11.75''
Carsen Edwards 5' 10.75''

but the year before that:

Kadeem Allen 6' 1''
Frank Mason III 5' 11''
Derrick Walton Jr. 5' 11''
Jawun Evans 5' 10.75''

and the year before that:

Marcus Paige 6' 0.5''
Demetrius Jackson 6' 0''
Tyler Ulis 5' 8.75''
Kay Felder 5' 8.25''

2018 was a major outlier from the normal result. And I'm not sure if any of those guys were combo guards rather than PG's. Brunson had spent 3 years at Villanova; Graham 4 years at Kansas
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm not turning off my ad blocker. Who did they say we pick?
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Check which thread you are in....

Jase Richardson.

Skimming his mock -> I don't put much weight into his mock.
If he wants to call this a 'big board' - I can see some of the arguments for that - but there are some really bad fits for teams here.
 
wizenheimer said:
just out of curiosity, I wanted to see the players who have been 6'1 and under in the last half dozen drafts. Jase is 6' 0.5"

Ky Bowman 6' 1''
Kyle Guy 6' 0.75''
Devon Dotson 6' 0''
Shamorie Ponds 5' 11.5''
Carsen Edwards 5' 10.75''
Jared Harper 5' 9.75''
Tremont Waters 5' 9.5''

Devon Dotson 6'0.50''
Myles Powell 6'0.50''
Cassius Winston 6'0.50''
Grant Riller 6'0.25''
Markus Howard 5'9.50''

Devon Dotson 6'0.50''
Myles Powell 6'0.50''
Cassius Winston 6'0.50''
Grant Riller 6'0.25''
Markus Howard 5'9.50''

Jean Montero 6' 1.00''
JD Davison 6' 0.50''
Scotty Pippen Jr. 6' 0.00''
Kennedy Chandler 5' 11.50''

Adam Flagler 6' 1.00''
Mike Miles Jr. 6' 0.75''

Robert Dillingham 6' 1.00''
Boogie Ellis 6' 0.75''
Jamal Shead 6' 0.25''
KJ Simpson 6' 0.25''
Mark Sears 5' 10.25''

now, I started in the 2019 draft to hit that half-dozen mark. If I would have started 1 year earlier in the 2018 draft:

Jalen Brunson 6' 1''
Collin Sexton 6' 0.5''
Trae Young 6' 0.5''
Jevon Carter 6' 0.25''
Devonte Graham 6' 0.25''
Aaron Holiday 5' 11.75''
Carsen Edwards 5' 10.75''

but the year before that:

Kadeem Allen 6' 1''
Frank Mason III 5' 11''
Derrick Walton Jr. 5' 11''
Jawun Evans 5' 10.75''

and the year before that:

Marcus Paige 6' 0.5''
Demetrius Jackson 6' 0''
Tyler Ulis 5' 8.75''
Kay Felder 5' 8.25''

2018 was a major outlier from the normal result. And I'm not sure if any of those guys were combo guards rather than PG's. Brunson had spent 3 years at Villanova; Graham 4 years at Kansas
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wizenheimer said:
just out of curiosity, I wanted to see the players who have been 6'1 and under in the last half dozen drafts. Jase is 6' 0.5"

Ky Bowman 6' 1''
Kyle Guy 6' 0.75''
Devon Dotson 6' 0''
Shamorie Ponds 5' 11.5''
Carsen Edwards 5' 10.75''
Jared Harper 5' 9.75''
Tremont Waters 5' 9.5''

Devon Dotson 6'0.50''
Myles Powell 6'0.50''
Cassius Winston 6'0.50''
Grant Riller 6'0.25''
Markus Howard 5'9.50''

Devon Dotson 6'0.50''
Myles Powell 6'0.50''
Cassius Winston 6'0.50''
Grant Riller 6'0.25''
Markus Howard 5'9.50''

Jean Montero 6' 1.00''
JD Davison 6' 0.50''
Scotty Pippen Jr. 6' 0.00''
Kennedy Chandler 5' 11.50''

Adam Flagler 6' 1.00''
Mike Miles Jr. 6' 0.75''

Robert Dillingham 6' 1.00''
Boogie Ellis 6' 0.75''
Jamal Shead 6' 0.25''
KJ Simpson 6' 0.25''
Mark Sears 5' 10.25''

now, I started in the 2019 draft to hit that half-dozen mark. If I would have started 1 year earlier in the 2018 draft:

Jalen Brunson 6' 1''
Collin Sexton 6' 0.5''
Trae Young 6' 0.5''
Jevon Carter 6' 0.25''
Devonte Graham 6' 0.25''
Aaron Holiday 5' 11.75''
Carsen Edwards 5' 10.75''

but the year before that:

Kadeem Allen 6' 1''
Frank Mason III 5' 11''
Derrick Walton Jr. 5' 11''
Jawun Evans 5' 10.75''

and the year before that:

Marcus Paige 6' 0.5''
Demetrius Jackson 6' 0''
Tyler Ulis 5' 8.75''
Kay Felder 5' 8.25''

2018 was a major outlier from the normal result. And I'm not sure if any of those guys were combo guards rather than PG's. Brunson had spent 3 years at Villanova; Graham 4 years at Kansas
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Good thing you could argue that Jase was a better basketball player at same age as nearly everybody on this list.
 
JDC said:
Good thing you could argue that Jase was a better basketball player at same age as nearly everybody on this list.
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Jase: 12-3-2; PER 20.7; winshare/48 .209

Devon Dotson: 18-4-4; PER 24.9; winshare/48 .238
Ky Bowman: 19-8-4; PER 19.6; winshare/48 .128
Myles Powell: 21-4-3; PER 22.3; winshare/48 .163
Cassius Winston: 19-3-6; PER 23.0; winshare/48 .204
Grant Riller: 22-5-4; PER 30.6; winshare/48 .225
Scotty Pippen Jr: 20-4-5; PER 24.0; winshare/48 .185
Adam Flagler: 16-2-5; PER 19.6; winshare/48 .170
Rob Dillingham: 15-3-4; PER 23.5; winshare/48 .174
Jamal Shead: 21-4-3; PER 22.6; winshare/48 .220

now, those numbers are from their last seasons before entering the draft as sophomores, juniors, and seniors. So yeah, there are age differences and if that's the gauge you want to use, fine

Richardson could very well be a lot better than any of those guys and at the same time could always be a lot less of a player than Brunson, Sexton, or even somebody like Payton Pritchard. All that's really clear is it's a hell of a lot easier for a 6' guard to be good in college than it is in the NBA

I'm more than willing to stipulate that Jase is a good player, maybe worthy of a late lottery pick. Just about every player in the draft has flaws. Being 6' is a tougher flaw to overcome than most others though
 
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