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1 Eye Jack said:
I think you’re making an emotional decision. Look past the fact that he use to be a Blazer and the draft pick. He’s a starting caliber 6’11” big who shoots the ball well from 3 (over 37%), plays good defense/really good help defender, decent rebounder, passes the ball good for a big and still young. Biggest knock on him can he stay healthy, talent was always there.

Ok now write me a book telling me how superior your opinion is to mine, lol.
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Zach isn't a starting caliber player... that's pretty obvious when he only started 26 out of 63 games on the team with the second worst record in the league. I saw him play this season and he really isn't much better than he was when he was here... he does well against bench players and gets schooled by starters. I would say that I would take him for a second rounder or something but we can't afford to give a roster spot to a guy who is as injury prone as Zach.

I like Zach too, he has a lot of heart and a good skill set for a bench big, it sucks that his health is such a concern but it's a legitimate concern and the level he plays at doesn't justify the risk his injury history presents.
 
[Zagoria] Hearing Purdue's Zach Edey has helped himself with his pro day and combine performances. Could be a value pick in the 20-45 range

He should be a legitimate candidate to be selected with the Knick pick
 
Fez Forthright said:
[Zagoria] Hearing Purdue's Zach Edey has helped himself with his pro day and combine performances. Could be a value pick in the 20-45 range

He should be a legitimate candidate to be selected with the Knick pick
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No disrespect, but he’s the opposite of what Billups want in his center
 
damianlillard said:
No disrespect, but he’s the opposite of what Billups want in his center
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I think the NBA has 'evolved' to the point Edey is the opposite of what any team wants at C. At least as a starter. Maybe there's value in zigging when everybody else is zagging but using a 23rd pick on him seems questionable, at best
 
wizenheimer said:
I think the NBA has 'evolved' to the point Edey is the opposite of what any team wants at C. At least as a starter. Maybe there's value in zigging when everybody else is zagging but using a 23rd pick on him seems questionable, at best
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Yeah, I agree he is not a starter, but I would not mind him on our bench..... more so than say Boban. Watching his workout he looks to have developed an outside shot. (maybe he had it all along and just never shot it) But I like having one huge guy on a cheap contract on the bench and he does have skills and he is more mobile than most at his size. Having said that I would not use 23 on him.
 
They could use Edey the same way they used Duck years ago. Start him. Go to him 1-on-1 in the low post. Try to get some easy points early in the game. Take him out after 5 minutes. Repeat at the beginning of the third quarter.
I realize that was a different era, but why not? Why not start the game with some easy buckets or a foul on the opposing center because nobody knows how to defend a good post player. Someone on here said zig when everyone else is zagging. Well there you go.
 
Driew said:
Some mocks have us taking Kris Murray.
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If we could get him at #23, I'd think that would be pretty good value. Edey at #23 would be a real stretch, but I wouldn't mind him at #43. He would get schemed off the floor in a series, but off the bench for shorter stints, he would be a 2nd team matchup nightmare. Then they would have to plan zone on defense at the other end.
 
Fez Forthright said:
Darkhorse — I’m pissing everyone off and taking Zach Edy here if Jackson/Sensabaugh aren’t there.

:bored:
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Pissing people or not, I think it'd be the right choice.

I think the Spurs or Nuggets are smart enough to take him with their second round pick so you wouldn't want to see that.

I do think he'll be a steal. Developed right, he could become the next Jokic. Will he get there? Probably not. But I think he'll be effective despite what all these dorks keep on saying when stating that "He would've been Top 5, in the 2000s." No....if you're that good, you'll fit anywhere. I don't think he's that good of a prospect but with the right people teaching him, again, he could have a major impact. Spurs and Nuggets are those teams that can develop him and turn him into a powerful force - either as Jokic's hyper efficient back up or someone who fits well next to Wemby. Either of those will spell doom to the league.

In which case, his PER is way too high, two years in a row, to be a simple anomaly.

Maybe he is too slow and plodding but in limited bursts, he does look good:



Maybe he needs to slim down or something but I think he may surprise people. High IQ, great footwork, some passing capability, good shooting (73+% FT), 60 FG%, great rebounder, solid shot blocker, lengthy, great height, good work ethic, good attitude.

Kessler surprised people, last season. Not me, though. I knew Kessler was going to be good due to a certain stat threshold that he and Duren met......and Edey should have a similar trajectory.

If Leonard Miller is not available at #23, I don't think it's unreasonable to take Edey to fill a role we need - rebounding.
 
I'm not necessarily pro or against Edey, but I wouldn't pooh-pooh it at 43.

One of the things you look for in those spots and on your bench are guys that offer something different, some kind of mismatch that gives you maybe a four-point difference by the end of the game. Edey is that, not just being freakishly big but very, very skilled. He's succeeded against a lot of the same players who'll be rookies in the NBA in the next couple of years.

I also think we need to consider that all sports are fluid. In the NFL, the West Coast Offense was the end-all, be-all ... until it suddenly wasn't. Teams figured it out. The Bears destroyed it with their 46 defense, which was supposed to revolutionize the game ... until it didn't. Teams discovered answers to it.

The NBA's the same. I have no doubt that things will happen at some point (if they haven't already) that are pulling positionless basketball back to an era where teams with a traditional big still can contend. It's all about coming up with a system that maximizes your advantages and minimizes your disadvantages and imposing your style of play. Otherwise, you're just a knockoff of the Warriors trying to beat the Warriors at their own game.

Edey can be Boban for 8 or so minutes a night. If you make him something the other team has to respect when it's playing defense instead of being completely concerned with the other team's offense, it can work. It's at least an option that should be explored.
 
MrDraftGuy said:
If Leonard Miller is not available at #23, I don't think it's unreasonable to take Edey to fill a role we need - rebounding.
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Probably won't have to worry. Leo Miller will very likely be gone before #23. Some think that after workouts, he could be in the late Lottery.
 
Fez Forthright said:
[Zagoria] Hearing Purdue's Zach Edey has helped himself with his pro day and combine performances. Could be a value pick in the 20-45 range

He should be a legitimate candidate to be selected with the Knick pick
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Kind of reminds me of Boban. Very stiff in movement.
 
MrDraftGuy said:
Pissing people or not, I think it'd be the right choice.

I think the Spurs or Nuggets are smart enough to take him with their second round pick so you wouldn't want to see that.

I do think he'll be a steal. Developed right, he could become the next Jokic. Will he get there? Probably not. But I think he'll be effective despite what all these dorks keep on saying when stating that "He would've been Top 5, in the 2000s." No....if you're that good, you'll fit anywhere. I don't think he's that good of a prospect but with the right people teaching him, again, he could have a major impact. Spurs and Nuggets are those teams that can develop him and turn him into a powerful force - either as Jokic's hyper efficient back up or someone who fits well next to Wemby. Either of those will spell doom to the league.

In which case, his PER is way too high, two years in a row, to be a simple anomaly.

Maybe he is too slow and plodding but in limited bursts, he does look good:



Maybe he needs to slim down or something but I think he may surprise people. High IQ, great footwork, some passing capability, good shooting (73+% FT), 60 FG%, great rebounder, solid shot blocker, lengthy, great height, good work ethic, good attitude.

Kessler surprised people, last season. Not me, though. I knew Kessler was going to be good due to a certain stat threshold that he and Duren met......and Edey should have a similar trajectory.

If Leonard Miller is not available at #23, I don't think it's unreasonable to take Edey to fill a role we need - rebounding.
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He doesn't look that agile to me.
 
right now Blazers have the 23rd and 43rd picks, right?

notable players taken at 23 & later in 2013-2020:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Reggie Bullock
Rudy Gobert
Isaiah Canaan
Rodney Hood
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanović
Kyle Anderson
Joe Harris
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jerami Grant
Nikola Jokić
Dwight Powell
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Kevon Looney
Montrezl Harrell
Willy Hernangómez
Richaun Holmes
Josh Richardson
Norman Powell
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Ivica Zubac
Malcolm Brogdon
Georges Niang
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma
Derrick White
Josh Hart
Frank Jackson
Thomas Bryant
Isaiah Hartenstein
Dillon Brooks
Monte Morris
Anfernee Simons
Moritz Wagner
Robert Williams
Jalen Brunson
Devonte' Graham
Mitchell Robinson
Gary Trent Jr.
Jarred Vanderbilt
Hamidou Diallo
De'Anthony Melton
Shake Milton
Darius Bazley
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.
Nic Claxton
Bol Bol
Isaiah Roby
Terance Mann
Jalen McDaniels
R.J. Hampton
Immanuel Quickley
Jaden McDaniels
Desmond Bane
Kenyon Martin Jr.

so about 60 notable players in 8 drafts....288 total selections. The odds aren't real high landing on a good player, but I guess you never know how the dice will roll
 
60 notable players in 8 drafts taken at #23 or later? That's not bad at all for that late in the first round. If nothing else, just the glass 'half full' to that seemingly 'half empty' some people seem so often live with. :cheers:
 
Kell said:
Edey will be this seasons Kessler!
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Could be. Both are shot blocking centers. But Kessler seems way more athletic, and mobile than Edey. Went back and watched Kessler highlights and he's way more agile.
 
wizenheimer said:
right now Blazers have the 23rd and 43rd picks, right?

notable players taken at 23 & later in 2013-2020:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Reggie Bullock
Rudy Gobert
Isaiah Canaan
Rodney Hood
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanović
Kyle Anderson
Joe Harris
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jerami Grant
Nikola Jokić
Dwight Powell
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Kevon Looney
Montrezl Harrell
Willy Hernangómez
Richaun Holmes
Josh Richardson
Norman Powell
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Ivica Zubac
Malcolm Brogdon
Georges Niang
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma
Derrick White
Josh Hart
Frank Jackson
Thomas Bryant
Isaiah Hartenstein
Dillon Brooks
Monte Morris
Anfernee Simons
Moritz Wagner
Robert Williams
Jalen Brunson
Devonte' Graham
Mitchell Robinson
Gary Trent Jr.
Jarred Vanderbilt
Hamidou Diallo
De'Anthony Melton
Shake Milton
Darius Bazley
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.
Nic Claxton
Bol Bol
Isaiah Roby
Terance Mann
Jalen McDaniels
R.J. Hampton
Immanuel Quickley
Jaden McDaniels
Desmond Bane
Kenyon Martin Jr.

so about 60 notable players in 8 drafts....288 total selections. The odds aren't real high landing on a good player, but I guess you never know how the dice will roll
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Not bad that’s a 20% chance actually.
 
Voodoo said:
Not bad that’s a 20% chance actually.
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Yeah late first round picks have a ton of value and I think now are being thrown around too loosely. Posters have told me how the Thunder got little in return for Paul George since the 4 Clippers picks were likely to be late picks, or that a Dame haul for 4 first rounders is worth almost nothing because those picks can't play next season.

Of course if a pick acquired in a trade is less protected or in the lottery it would be vastly more valuable. But even if it unfortunately just becomes a late pick there is a very real chance to get some great players with those assets over multiple drafts.

The big problem is trading away multiple picks for players with little upside as the Blazers did with Afflalo/Plumlee/Covington/Nance/Collins/etc.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Yeah late first round picks have a ton of value and I think now are being thrown around too loosely. Posters have told me how the Thunder got little in return for Paul George since the 4 Clippers picks were likely to be late picks, or that a Dame haul for 4 first rounders is worth almost nothing because those picks can't play next season.

Of course if a pick acquired in a trade is less protected or in the lottery it would be vastly more valuable. But even if it unfortunately just becomes a late pick there is a very real chance to get some great players with those assets over multiple drafts.

The big problem is trading away multiple picks for players with little upside as the Blazers did with Afflalo/Plumlee/Covington/Nance/Collins/etc.
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Stop misrepresenting what I was saying because I caught you not knowing what you were posting about and your feelings got bruised.

We were talking about how OKC was pretty much forced to accept four late first-round picks because George asked for a trade specifically to the Clippers weeks after he was third in the MVP voting, and, if he and Kawhi stayed healthy, those picks probably were going to be all late in the first round and unlikely to produce a player of George's quality. There also was discussion about the two vets the Clippers sent in the deal.

I know that context all is inconvenient now after you started saying my example of how Dame needs to get his buddies to request trades to Portland was "horrible" and terrible and the worst ... and then it turned out you were completely wrong that the Clippers initiated the deal. But, get over being hurt, man up. No one was bringing this up over the last few days since I pointed out your mistake. You were wrong, you tried to get yourself over on another poster without having a clue what you were talking about, now get over it.
 
PCmor7 said:
Stop misrepresenting what I was saying because I caught you not knowing what you were posting about and your feelings got bruised.

We were talking about how OKC was pretty much forced to accept four late first-round picks because George asked for a trade specifically to the Clippers weeks after he was third in the MVP voting, and, if he and Kawhi stayed healthy, those picks probably were going to be all late in the first round and unlikely to produce a player of George's quality. There also was discussion about the two vets the Clippers sent in the deal.

I know that context all is inconvenient now after you started saying my example of how Dame needs to get his buddies to request trades to Portland was "horrible" and terrible and the worst ... and then it turned out you were completely wrong that the Clippers initiated the deal. But, get over being hurt, man up. No one was bringing this up over the last few days since I pointed out your mistake. You were wrong, you tried to get yourself over on another poster without having a clue what you were talking about, now get over it.
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I never said what your implying here. I've actually said much of the exact opposite, that Dame getting his buddies to request trades to Portland as was done with Grant is the correct move. Yes I factually pointed out how the OKC trade was a poor example of this; as that was considered a great trade for OKC at the time and had many indications OKC was not forced to enter into the deal. The assumption that the picks would all be late in the first round was a bad assumption, especially since one of the picks wasn't even OKCs.

I'm not sure why your so upset, its pretty obvious to anyone who reads our posts here and in other threads whom is critically thinking about these situations, whom is open to discussion or new ideas, and whom is responding with heated irrational emotions or name calling.
 
wizenheimer said:
right now Blazers have the 23rd and 43rd picks, right?

notable players taken at 23 & later in 2013-2020:

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Reggie Bullock
Rudy Gobert
Isaiah Canaan
Rodney Hood
Clint Capela
Bogdan Bogdanović
Kyle Anderson
Joe Harris
Spencer Dinwiddie
Jerami Grant
Nikola Jokić
Dwight Powell
Jordan Clarkson
Larry Nance Jr.
Kevon Looney
Montrezl Harrell
Willy Hernangómez
Richaun Holmes
Josh Richardson
Norman Powell
Pascal Siakam
Dejounte Murray
Ivica Zubac
Malcolm Brogdon
Georges Niang
OG Anunoby
Kyle Kuzma
Derrick White
Josh Hart
Frank Jackson
Thomas Bryant
Isaiah Hartenstein
Dillon Brooks
Monte Morris
Anfernee Simons
Moritz Wagner
Robert Williams
Jalen Brunson
Devonte' Graham
Mitchell Robinson
Gary Trent Jr.
Jarred Vanderbilt
Hamidou Diallo
De'Anthony Melton
Shake Milton
Darius Bazley
Jordan Poole
Keldon Johnson
Kevin Porter Jr.
Nic Claxton
Bol Bol
Isaiah Roby
Terance Mann
Jalen McDaniels
R.J. Hampton
Immanuel Quickley
Jaden McDaniels
Desmond Bane
Kenyon Martin Jr.

so about 60 notable players in 8 drafts....288 total selections. The odds aren't real high landing on a good player, but I guess you never know how the dice will roll
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If only we had Trent Jr, Nance Jr, Rodney Hood, or Josh Hart.
 
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