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Predator said:
“Win now” and “Shaedon Sharpe” don’t really go hand in hand. The prospect that played absolutely none at all last year?

And Ivey doesn’t particularly make sense either as trading away their PG and moving to a rookie PG isn’t exactly “win now” thinking.
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News flash: They aren't winning a thing with Murray.
 
AmirIcon said:
Ivey has the much higher floor. So does Sharpe. Sacramento taking Murray at 4 makes absolutely no sense but then again, Kings gonna Kings so who knows.
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No, it doesn't make sense to outsiders. But it makes sense for Sacramento.
 
AmirIcon said:
LMAO there's a reason they get the draft wrong 99% of the time. I very much doubt they take Murray.
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they haven't been that bad recently with new management. halliburton and mitchell were great picks.
 
illmatic99 said:
they haven't been that bad recently with new management. halliburton and mitchell were great picks.
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They got Halliburton right, then proceeded to give Fox 150 mil and traded Halliburton for Sabonis.

They are awful in all kinds of ways. Taking Murray at 4 would be a new low. I don't expect it but I suppose there's a chance.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, Sac can definitely use a PF. But they could also use a SF and a bigger guard. Weren't we envious of their young roster a year ago? It has a lot of holes right now.
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SAC has Fox at PG / Barnes at SF / Sabonis at PF / Holmes at C. Sabonis can play bigger but is really a PF. [IMHO] Their most obvious hole, positionally, is at SG. Ivey or Sharpe. They're SAC so they :crystalball: take Mathurin or Daniels. [kidding ... kinda]
Detroit and Murray makes more sense to me than SAC but DET needs "talent." They have Bey, Grant, and Stewart. No need for a PG or distributor (like Daniels) ... so a dynamic SG in Sharpe/Ivey or Mathurin (different types, in my view).
Indy has more than their share of PGs, so recent hype of Daniels at 6 is real iffy. They chould keep Jalen Smith and Turner at 4 and 5 (both can stretch out for shooting 3's) ... they have to decide about T.J. Warren (who they could pair up with Turner to Phoenix for Ayton); will they see Murray as a 3 or 4?

Again ... a dynamic SG looks like a need to me. Buddy Hield seems like an overpaid 6th man for a couple more years. Murray could absolutely find a home with any of the three at 4-6 ... or "fall" to 7 which he really shouldn't.

7 is not great for Portland. But [IMHO] a need CAN be filled by Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, or Sochan on the cheap.
 
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Like seemingly everyone, I don't love Jeremi Grant, HOWEVER...a little Portland/Detroit synergy would be nice. Seems like with cooperation between the two teams, we could end up with both Grant and Murray. That would make me happy.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:
SAC has Fox at PG / Barnes at SF / Sabonis at PF / Holmes at C. Sabonis can play bigger but is really a PF. [IMHO] Their most obvious hole, positionally, is at SG. Ivey or Sharpe. They're SAC so they :crystalball: take Mathurin or Daniels. [kidding ... kinda]
Detroit and Murray makes more sense to me than SAC but DET needs "talent." They have Bey, Grant, and Stewart. No need for a PG or distributor (like Daniels) ... so a dynamic SG in Sharpe/Ivey or Mathurin (different types, in my view).
Indy has more than their share of PGs, so recent hype of Daniels at 6 is real iffy. They chould keep Jalen Smith and Turner at 4 and 5 (both can stretch out for shooting 3's) ... they have to decide about T.J. Warren (who they could pair up with Turner to Phoenix for Ayton); will they see Murray as a 3 or 4?

Again ... a dynamic SG looks like a need to me. Buddy Hield seems like an overpaid 6th man for a couple more years. Murray could absolutely find a home with any of the three at 4-6 ... or "fall" to 7 which he really shouldn't.

7 is not great for Portland. But [IMHO] a need CAN be filled by Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, or Sochan on the cheap.
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You might disagree with it but Richaun Holmes was coming off the bench (and not playing that many minutes) while they were Starting…

C: Sabonis
PF: Trey Lyles
SF: Barnes
SG: Donte
PG: Fox

Looks like they could use help at both PF and SG.

And given the most likely options, and the goal being win now, the most likely player to help them achieve that is Keegan Murray.

I would probably take Daniels or Sharpe if I were them for the upside, but neither of them are likely to contribute in a meaningful way.
 
AmirIcon said:
News flash: They aren't winning a thing with Murray.
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Newsflash: Tell that to the Kings. Theyre more likely to make the playoffs this year by drafting Murray than they are drafting anyone else.
 
Predator said:
Newsflash: Tell that to the Kings. Theyre more likely to make the playoffs this year by drafting Murray than they are drafting anyone else.
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Hard disagree. Ivey and Sharpe are far superior prospects at SG than Mitchell. This is obvious.

They can get a power forward with one of their other tools.

Your kind of thinking is why they've been trash for decades. They need to go after the highest ceiling prospect they can. Murray isn't that guy.
 
HoopsFanAZ said:

SAC has Fox at PG / Barnes at SF / Sabonis at PF / Holmes at C. Sabonis can play bigger but is really a PF. [IMHO] Their most obvious hole, positionally, is at SG. Ivey or Sharpe. They're SAC so they :crystalball: take Mathurin or Daniels. [kidding ... kinda]
Detroit and Murray makes more sense to me than SAC but DET needs "talent." They have Bey, Grant, and Stewart. No need for a PG or distributor (like Daniels) ... so a dynamic SG in Sharpe/Ivey or Mathurin (different types, in my view).
Indy has more than their share of PGs, so recent hype of Daniels at 6 is real iffy. They chould keep Jalen Smith and Turner at 4 and 5 (both can stretch out for shooting 3's) ... they have to decide about T.J. Warren (who they could pair up with Turner to Phoenix for Ayton); will they see Murray as a 3 or 4?

Again ... a dynamic SG looks like a need to me. Buddy Hield seems like an overpaid 6th man for a couple more years. Murray could absolutely find a home with any of the three at 4-6 ... or "fall" to 7 which he really shouldn't.

7 is not great for Portland. But [IMHO] a need CAN be filled by Murray, Sharpe, Daniels, or Sochan on the cheap.
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Sac: They have Barnes for another year. If I am him... I am out of there after that. Hasn't Sabonis shown he plays much better at the 5 than at the 4?. Murray could be a good fit.

Detroit: They already have a young PF in Bagley (Who I think played well for them) If I were them I would go with Ivey to play next to Cade.

Indy: They have a lot of young Talent. But yes Murray is a good fit here as well.
 
Murray is my favorite player in the draft but that's just because I know more about him than the others....if we keep the pick we could do much worse than using it on Murray
 
blazerfan11 said:
Detroit has to take Ivey or Sharpe. I would be very surprised if they chose Murray instead.
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Detroit is obviously building around Cade and most everything else is in flux. Coming out of college he was said to be 6'7 but he skipped the combine and looked 6'5 to my eyes standing next to known players like 6'6.5" Jerami Grant. He's 2 guard sized. Yes I know about the Drexler & Jordan parable, but they'd have to be pretty smitten with 6'4.5" Sharpe to select him. I see Ivey as a really nice fit next to CC but doubt he slips past #4. Ivey is a terrible fit in Sac, so they're probably fielding offers. If he's off the board when the Pistons select, their biggest needs are at PG and Center. I think they'll be doing a deep dive on Duren. What do I know, but that would probably be my pick if I were them as he fits need + biggest upside.

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HoopsFanAZ said:
SAC has Fox at PG / Barnes at SF / Sabonis at PF / Holmes at C. Sabonis can play bigger but is really a PF.
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Sabonis can't guard PF's ("you are what you can defend"). Whenever he and Turner were on the floor together in Indy it was Turner guarding the PF. Sabonis is a C. He's a poor man's Jokic; or a rich man's Nurkic
 
Propagandist said:
Like seemingly everyone, I don't love Jeremi Grant, HOWEVER...a little Portland/Detroit synergy would be nice. Seems like with cooperation between the two teams, we could end up with both Grant and Murray. That would make me happy.
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I think that's possible, but not probable

it would pivot on who Detroit was targeting in the draft. If their target looked to be available at #7 then a trade of #7 + Buck's pick for #5 (Blazers use their big TPE) costs Detroit nothing, but instead gains them an extra future 1st and an immediate 22M in cap-relief and cap-space. They would also get to sign their targeted draftee for 1.3M less next season and pay him 10M less over the duration of his rookie scale contract

where is the downside for the Pistons in that deal? I don't see any
 
AmirIcon said:
You think Detroit takes Murray before Ivey or Sharpe?

I don't.
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Totally agree. Detroit has quality young forwards, but lacks an awesome, explosive 2 guard to go next to Cunningham. Detroit doesn't need a PF, they already have Stewart. Killian Hayes is so-so and inconsistant.
 
wizenheimer said:
I think that's possible, but not probable

it would pivot on who Detroit was targeting in the draft. If their target looked to be available at #7 then a trade of #7 + Buck's pick for #5 (Blazers use their big TPE) costs Detroit nothing, but instead gains them an extra future 1st and an immediate 22M in cap-relief and cap-space. They would also get to sign their targeted draftee for 1.3M less next season and pay him 10M less over the duration of his rookie scale contract

where is the downside for the Pistons in that deal? I don't see any
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I really like that deal. If we could end up with Keegan AND Grant, I'd be good with it.
 
TBpup said:
That wouldn't be bad.

Just wish it wouldn't be....
Grant $28M
...and Grant 2.0.
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That's what Grant said he wanted from the Pistons where he was the number one guy, there is no reason to think that's what will be settled on with us. I don't think a contract in which he averages 26M a year would be that bad. Season after next it would probably start in around 24.5M. If you don't think that being on a winning team and playing with Dame will make Grant more effective offensively and engaged defensively then you shouldn't want him at all. If you think those things will happen then you shouldn't mind him opening up negotiations with that kind of number.
 
AJ Griffin will be drafted after all of the players who haven't sprained both knees are gone.
 
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