All We Need is Two-Way Role-Players

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BonesJones

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It has been evident lately that the Blazers desperately need to upgrade their role players. This is even more evident with Turner starting because Lillard, Crabbe, and McCollum are never on the court at the same time.

This means that we never have more than 2 shooters on the floor at one time. Harkless' percentage has dipped. Turner is below average. Aminu airballs more than he makes. Plumlee and Davis can't shoot outside of 2 feet, and Meyers thinks he can shoot... Only one of those players can create his own shot. Only Aminu and Turner are solid defenders.

It's been a miracle that Lillard and CJ have done what they've done this year with the players they have surrounding them. They've had to grind so hard on the offensive end to create baskets, and it's reflected by CJ running the most miles this year out of any NBA player.

With all they have to do on the offensive end, it's going to negatively affect their defense. I've seen flashes of good defense from both these guys, and I think that if they had less pressure to create on offense, they'd be better defenders.

We saw how things get bogged down at the end of last nights game if Lillard and McCollum don't dominate the ball each possession. We had Turner, Plumlee, and Aminu trying to find a denied Lillard and McCollum, with Aminu and Plumlee not looking to attack (because that's not their skillset) and Turner getting sagged off of.

Lillard and McCollum have to cut all over the floor then run back for a handoff in order to try and do things offensively, because are role players aren't a threat (or are a very limited one at that). This kills their energy, and hurts them defensively. Therefore, having a guy like Aminu on the court has a negative effect on Lillard's and McCollum's defense because his offensive ineptitude makes McLillard expand so much more energy trying to create decent shots.


My Conclusion:

My conclusion is that we need to acquire as many two-way role players, not trade one of Lillard or McCollum.

Imagine if we had just ONE or TWO more players that could help Lillard and McCollum offensively, thus helping them expend more energy defensively, while also being solid defenders themselves. Lately, Turner's stepped up and been a two-way player, and all of a sudden we're competing with good teams.

The problem with this team is it's limited role players. Someone like Serge Ibaka would do wonders for this team, and even Wesley Matthews (someone who can shoot and play defense) would be an upgrade in terms of two-way play over anyone we have.

It simply looks like CJ and Dame can't work because of who they're surrounded with, and how much energy they expend trying to get the team good shots. If you add some offensive talent, you save their energy for the other end, and if that offensive talent can defend, then you'll see massive improvements. Yes, CJ and Dame will never be good defenders, but I still believe they can be at least average, and just need a little help.
 
Turner and Plumlee are both somewhat two-way players, but Plumlee needs to be set up by Dame and CJ, and his passing requires a ton of off-ball movement from CJ and Dame to get open.

Turner is the only one that allows Lillard or CJ to spot up, but help on his drives usually comes from Aminu's or Plumlee's man (because they can't shoot), thus allowing Dame's and/or CJ's defender to stay on him.
 
Like who???

Harkless, Turner, Aminu.

We severely lack interior toughness, a post game and rebounding. We have 4 redundant players at the SF position, we need to get rid of two of them first and foremost. I think it should be Crabbe and Harkless and get back some post players, shot blockers and rebounders.
 
1. Rebounder
2. Shooter
3. Rim protector

That's my order. Harkless and Aminu are redundant, so trade whichever one has more value to other teams. Davis could help someone and is on a friendly contract. Ezeli should be easy to move as well. If we trade Crabbe we better have other moves lined up because you don't replace a 40+% shooter that easily. It seems like Ibaka fits all three of our needs, but him being a FA just curbs my enthusiasm. Otherwise I'd be all over that.
 
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A power forward (or center) who can defend and shoot would be the biggest single addition, in my opinion. Aminu was a big deal last year because he could shoot decently from three-point range and defend credibly at the 4. With the regression back to career norms of his shot, he can no longer fill that role.

Right now, Turner would be Portland's best option at small forward, but with no shooting at the 3, 4 and 5 positions, Lillard and McCollum are going to find their space squeezed. Put a solid shooter at the 4 or 5 (or, ideally, both but let's not get too crazy) and you can better get away with Turner starting and playing big minutes.

If Lillard and McCollum are going to be the backcourt into the foreseeable future then Portland must have three defensive pluses at the other three positions. Turner can be one. Unless Vonleh takes several leaps forward, though, they don't really have those pluses at the 4 and 5. Ed Davis would work if he bounces back from his, so far, crappy season. But then you have two non-shooters. At that point, you absolutely must have someone like Ibaka in the front court to add another potentially good defender (reasonable people can differ on how good his defense is these days) and add more shooting.
 
Harkless, Turner, Aminu.

We severely lack interior toughness, a post game and rebounding. We have 4 redundant players at the SF position, we need to get rid of two of them first and foremost. I think it should be Crabbe and Harkless and get back some post players, shot blockers and rebounders.
Aminu is a 2-way player? He's AWFUL offensively.

Harkless? He's an average defender if that. He's average offensively, at best.

Turner can create and defend, but he's not good offensively or defensively,, just above average at best.
 
Aminu is a 2-way player? He's AWFUL offensively.

Harkless? He's an average defender if that. He's average offensively, at best.

Turner can create and defend, but he's not good offensively or defensively,, just above average at best.

Yeah, you said role players.
 
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Bones- you haven't been watching much? The pressure HAS been taken off of Dame and CJ because both Plumlee and Turner can run the offense and get scoring for their teammates and each other (Turner to Plumlee alley pop is becoming a regular occurrence.) I know you magically want a whole new set of players but that's not going to happen. But it sounds what you want is exactly what we're paying Turner 17 million to do. He takes the pressure off Dame and CJ on both sides of the court. The weak spot right now is starting PF. I'm willing to wait, though, for Vonleh to improve and own that spot. He's shown flashes but we were awful against GS when he was on the floor.

I'm happy with the team. We are finally getting our money's worth with Turner and the remaining schedule favors us. I believe 7 seed is attainable and that would make for a fun series with SA. We'll see what happens.
 
Bones- you haven't been watching much? The pressure HAS been taken off of Dame and CJ because both Plumlee and Turner can run the offense and get scoring for their teammates and each other (Turner to Plumlee alley pop is becoming a regular occurrence.) I know you magically want a whole new set of players but that's not going to happen. But it sounds what you want is exactly what we're paying Turner 17 million to do. He takes the pressure off Dame and CJ on both sides of the court. The weak spot right now is starting PF. I'm willing to wait, though, for Vonleh to improve and own that spot. He's shown flashes but we were awful against GS when he was on the floor.

I'm happy with the team. We are finally getting our money's worth with Turner and the remaining schedule favors us. I believe 7 seed is attainable and that would make for a fun series with SA. We'll see what happens.
Apparently you didn't read anything I said. I said imagine if we had one or two more 2-way players, not a whole knew set. I also gave Turner props and credited him with taking some pressure off them lately, which you took your whole post to say.

Problem is, Turner has to be making shots to take the pressure off, since he's not a good 3 point shooter, this he can't naturally suave the floor and take the pressure off Lillard and McCollum. It'd also help him to have another shooter to play next to him (like Ibaka, Lopez, Matthews, etc.) to give him more space to make shots.

That's why we need one or two more multi-dimensional offensive threats (Harkless, Crabbe, Aminu, Vonleh, and Plumlee either aren't much of a threat or are one-dimensional).

You also didn't mention defense. Basically, if we upgraded one or two role players into 2-way players, it'd do wonders. Getting Serge Ibaka would be the first big step in improving this team.
 
1. Rebounder
3. Rim protector

That's my order. Harkless and Aminu are redundant, so trade whichever one has more value to other teams. Davis could help someone and is on a friendly contract. Ezeli should be easy to move as well. If we trade Crabbe we better have other moves lined up because you don't replace a 40+% shooter that easily. It seems like Ibaka fits all three of our needs, but him being a FA just curbs my enthusiasm. Otherwise I'd be all over that.

People talking about CJ like Monta, well who did the Warriors trade Monta for that put them over the top? Andrew Fucking Bogut. Personally I think we could get a big of that caliber without giving up CJ, break your ankles, Mccollum.
 
People talking about CJ like Monta, well who did the Warriors trade Monta for that put them over the top? Andrew Fucking Bogut. Personally I think we could get a big of that caliber without giving up CJ, break your ankles, Mccollum.

What does CJ have to do with this thread?
 

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