Almost choked out reading this article:

[Domihatin]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

To quote the column, "This exchange wouldn't really be about adding a former NBA champion and elite wing to Portland's roster. It would be about that draft pick." But really, it would be about getting a player with two fewer years on his contract.

 

[PCmor7]

The 2031 lightly-protected Bucks 1R pick that would come with Middleton, though, makes this a lot more worthy of consideration.

If you trade Grant, you have to bring back salary. If you're bringing back salary, make it a guy that doesn't need to play much. And get draft compensation along with it.

That's where the article misses the point. The Blazers don't need Middleton, but a lottery pick? Yeah, I'd do that.

 

[Domihatin]

The 2031 lightly-protected Bucks 1R pick that would come with Middleton, though, makes this a lot more worthy of consideration.

If you trade Grant, you have to bring back salary. If you're bringing back salary, make it a guy that doesn't need to play much. And get draft compensation along with it.

That's where the article misses the point. The Blazers don't need Middleton, but a lottery pick? Yeah, I'd do that.

The Bucks obviously just REALLY want to get rid of Middleton, though. We sure don't want him. And how valuable is a 2031 pick from the Bucks? That's a long ways away and who's to say the Bucks will be in the lottery then?

 

[BIG Q]

The 2031 lightly-protected Bucks 1R pick that would come with Middleton, though, makes this a lot more worthy of consideration.

If you trade Grant, you have to bring back salary. If you're bringing back salary, make it a guy that doesn't need to play much. And get draft compensation along with it.

That's where the article misses the point. The Blazers don't need Middleton, but a lottery pick? Yeah, I'd do that.

Plus they could possibly flip Middleton to a playoff team eventually. He still has value to contenders.

 

[PCmor7]

The Bucks obviously just REALLY want to get rid of Middleton, though. We sure don't want him. And how valuable is a 2031 pick from the Bucks? That's a long ways away and who's to say the Bucks will be in the lottery then?

An extra 1R pick is better than not-an-extra 1R pick, whether it's a lottery pick or not, but the Bucks' core is aging, they aren't a big market, and they've dealt a lot of draft assets heading into 2031 (including some to us), so I'd say the odds they're in the lottery are rather good.

Whether they Bucks want out of Middleton or not isn't an issue for the Blazers. We want out of Grant, who is going to make increasingly higher salary over the next couple of years, seems to be declining, too, and doesn't have much on-the-floor value to the Blazers. You'd be trading Grant essentially for a similar player that requires less floor time, can be traded AND who only has one year left on his deal after this season. Plus, as Q said, he can be dealt to a contender for a 2R pick if he shows any signs of life.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

Id trade Grant for Middleton straight up even if we don't get a pick.

Middleton contract expires next season.

Grant contract goes until 2028.

Middleton is injured often and has a lot of bad games. Grant is our worst player on the roster that's started a significant amount of games. Neither have a purpose with the Blazers long term, so the one on a better contract is much more valuable.

 

[illmatic99]

I would do that without even a second thought.

 

[Phatguysrule]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

I'd be all over this trade. Especially if we had some guarantee of a first round pick in the deal eventually.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The Bucks obviously just REALLY want to get rid of Middleton, though. We sure don't want him. And how valuable is a 2031 pick from the Bucks? That's a long ways away and who's to say the Bucks will be in the lottery then?

We want his shorter contract. And we really want that draft pick.

 

[illmatic99]

We want his shorter contract. And we really want that draft pick.

Especially when Giannis and Dame are long gone, owning multiple Milwaukee picks when we're way above the luxury tax are terrific assets to have. Obvious yes from us for a guy in Grant who has no place on our roster.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I read the thread title and all I could think of was Kingspeed having sex with an NBA player. Did we ever find out who that was?

 

[Phatguysrule]

I read the thread title and all I could think of was Kingspeed having sex with an NBA player. Did we ever find out who that was?

Greg Oden? I heard there was in a kinky game of Dance Dance Revolution in which frontal nudes were taken and Greg injured his knee by spinning too fast without a jock strap on.

 

[riverman]

I read the thread title and all I could think of was Kingspeed having sex with an NBA player. Did we ever find out who that was?

Travis Outlaw

 

[blazerfan11]

Is there a guarantee Billups won't put Middleton in the starting lineup?

Billups is the only reason the Blazers really NEED to get rid of Grant ASAP.

 

[KingSpeed]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

He will be first team all defense.

 

[KingSpeed]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

Slow down. Middleton scored 21 points on 9 shots last night and he’s a champion. That kind of experience is good to have around the young guys.

 

[STOMP]

Id trade Grant for Middleton straight up even if we don't get a pick. Middleton contract expires next season.

I'd be thrilled if they could make that deal, heck I'd be for including some draft capitol to take Grant off the books but if straight up is ever on the table hells yeah. Definitely want to hang onto the future draft pick swaps with the Bucks... I think those will be of great value in the middle of Portland's dynasty run

Simons, Ayton, RWIII & Thybulle also have contracts concluding after the 2025-6 season. Depending on how they stagger the resignings, they could have significant cap space and be a desirable landing spot for Free Agents that summer prior to the 2026-7 season

STOMP

 

[Phatguysrule]

Is there a guarantee Billups won't put Middleton in the starting lineup?

Billups is the only reason the Blazers really NEED to get rid of Grant ASAP.

Just cut him. Who cares? Unless we think we can trade him for another pick somehow...

 

[BonesJones]

I can't stop laughing. I almost fell off the throne.

https://www.si.com/nba/trailblazers...r-forward-in-exchange-for-jerami-grant-ak1987

Sure, we don't need Grant anymore but why the FUCK would we want Middleton?? He's old and broken and burnt out and can't play for shit. And this guy acts like we'd be getting such a GREAT player!!!1!1! Most moronic trade idea I've ever heard. Would be AMAZING for Milwaukee, but diaper shit bad for Blazers. Wow, what a great idea!!!! Let's give them Camara, too! They'd LOVE that.

Speaking of Toumani: I bet Phoenix would sure like to have Camara back, as well---- and maybe they could give a single 2nd round pick for him? That would be a GREAT deal.

Why the fuck did they trade him in the first place? Dude would be first team all defense if his team had a better record.

Anyway.

The Grant trade is good. A lightly protected first is the best case scenario. Then you try to flip Middleton in the off-season (easier than Grant since his contract expires sooner).

 

[Ha Seung-Boumtje-Boumjte]

Listen up, you dolts, the point of acquiring a 2031 first-round pick from Milwaukee is to control those sons of bitches' future for four straight years. If Giannis stays, they probably stink by then because he is old and would need to take a lot of Metamucil. If he demands out beforehand, whoever trades for him would have an incentive to give us some shit so that we can give Milwaukee back all their picks.

Now, let me elucidate in terms so clear that even a child raised by particularly dim-witted geese could comprehend. This is not merely an exercise in asset accumulation—it is an act of financial alchemy so grand that the Count of St. Germain himself would marvel! For those unversed in the exploits of that illustrious swindler-sorcerer, he was a man who dined in the courts of kings, whispered secrets to empires, and claimed to have seen the dawn of Rome with his own eyes. We, dear brethren, are engaged in a similar endeavor, weaving threads of future catastrophe into a tapestry of unassailable dominance.

And let us not dismiss Metamucil so lightly! A boon to the aged and wise, that gentle powder is the true elixir of eternity, the philosopher’s fiber. Do you think Giannis, in his twilight years, will be gallivanting through defenses unimpeded? Nay! His knees shall creak like the hull of a ship in stormy seas, and without the steadying grace of Metamucil, his very constitution shall crumble under the weight of time’s cruel embrace!

Thus, by controlling Milwaukee’s picks, we do not merely bet against them—we command the fates themselves, puppeteers of destiny, architects of doom! And when they come crawling for mercy, we shall doff our caps and chuckle, for the die was cast long ago.

 

[riverman]

Listen up, you dolts, the point of acquiring a 2031 first-round pick from Milwaukee is to control those sons of bitches' future for four straight years. If Giannis stays, they probably stink by then because he is old and would need to take a lot of Metamucil. If he demands out beforehand, whoever trades for him would have an incentive to give us some shit so that we can give Milwaukee back all their picks.

Now, let me elucidate in terms so clear that even a child raised by particularly dim-witted geese could comprehend. This is not merely an exercise in asset accumulation—it is an act of financial alchemy so grand that the Count of St. Germain himself would marvel! For those unversed in the exploits of that illustrious swindler-sorcerer, he was a man who dined in the courts of kings, whispered secrets to empires, and claimed to have seen the dawn of Rome with his own eyes. We, dear brethren, are engaged in a similar endeavor, weaving threads of future catastrophe into a tapestry of unassailable dominance.

And let us not dismiss Metamucil so lightly! A boon to the aged and wise, that gentle powder is the true elixir of eternity, the philosopher’s fiber. Do you think Giannis, in his twilight years, will be gallivanting through defenses unimpeded? Nay! His knees shall creak like the hull of a ship in stormy seas, and without the steadying grace of Metamucil, his very constitution shall crumble under the weight of time’s cruel embrace!

Thus, by controlling Milwaukee’s picks, we do not merely bet against them—we command the fates themselves, puppeteers of destiny, architects of doom! And when they come crawling for mercy, we shall doff our caps and chuckle, for the die was cast long ago.

Brilliant, but when exactly will the new Dungeons and Dragons movie be coming out?

 

[RR7]

oh, cool. You're back

 

[riverman]

Ant, Grant, Thybulle, Duop for Damian Lillard! If there's an old guy I want on the roster it's that guy.

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

If the 2031 pick has 1-5 pick protection and broke that way for them, that sucks for the Blazers. And if that 1st cannot be conveyed from the deal made this year to 2032 (with 2031 being the latest they can trade?), then it’s a no-go. Getting no 1st rounder is unacceptable.

Middleton is 1 + the p-opt and he’ll want that money. Flip to a contender for equally short contracts? Okay.

Grant fits with them. 4 years of picks and swaps is good.

 

[julius]

It'd be funny if the Blazers did it, but demanded that it's another unprotected pick.

So they'd have the 29 bucks unprotected, 30 swap (unprotected, right?) and 31 unprotected.

 

[wizenheimer]

It'd be funny if the Blazers did it, but demanded that it's another unprotected pick.

So they'd have the 29 bucks unprotected, 30 swap (unprotected, right?) and 31 unprotected.

Blazers have the 2028 swap unprotected too but that's a bit bound up in the encumbered 1st to Chicago

 

[Pritchslap Madness]

If this offer came in, it's an easy yes! If we could get a 3rd team involved for another pick for Middleton even better! Who cares about Middleton in the trade, that is not why we do this trade.

 

[STOMP]

Slow down. Middleton scored 21 points on 9 shots last night and he’s a champion. That kind of experience is good to have around the young guys.

Middleton can still shoot the ball, it's the moving around part of hoops he's struggling with following knee surgery the summer of 2023 and surgeries on both ankles last summer. He's 33 years old, maybe he makes it all the way back, maybe this is the beginning of the end for him.

STOMP

 

[jlprk]

Middleton's body looks like Rodney Hood to me. Fragile. But he'd be a substitute for us, which might prolong his game endurance and prevent more injuries.