Alright Homers, What's wrong with the PG?

[MarAzul]

I mention this before in another thread. Silents? It seems like the elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring.

Repost from another thread.

We may have a problem at PG, but Portland can fix that before next season. Lillard shot .161 from three and .406 from the field during the playoffs and only managed to produce 4.6 assists per game. This is not even a bench quality PG. The worst thing, even worse than his piss poor defense, was his inability to recongnize who are his best shooter on the court. I do not think he got one assist helping Meyers get a shot. Even worse, I did not see him even pass the ball to him once, The best shooter on the court and the man ignored him. That is dumb. I don't know what the hell is wrong with him but it is fixable by him or a serviceable PG.

Anyone got and answer?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Pretty small sample size for me. What about last year's playoff numbers? Yes Dame passed to him that I saw but overall lets remember that Dame wasn't alone in not passing to Meyers much.

I don't think anything is broken with Dame other then his back and fingers. I expect an off-season of rest is going to fix that. I don't think anything needs fixing but get back to me 3 months into the season next year and we will see.

 

[blue32]

Pretty small sample size for me. What about last year's playoff numbers? Yes Dame passed to him that I saw but overall lets remember that Dame wasn't alone in not passing to Meyers much.

I don't think anything is broken with Dame other then his back and fingers. I expect an off-season of rest is going to fix that. I don't think anything needs fixing but get back to me 3 months into the season next year and we will see.

Until next playoffs when hes bruised and 'exhausted' again....
Meh.... everyone is hurt and tired. Hopefully you're right... we can't progress with him shooting the way he did this year in the Playoffs.

 

[MarAzul]

Pretty small sample size for me. What about last year's playoff numbers? Yes Dame passed to him that I saw but overall lets remember that Dame wasn't alone in not passing to Meyers much.

I don't think anything is broken with Dame other then his back and fingers. I expect an off-season of rest is going to fix that. I don't think anything needs fixing but get back to me 3 months into the season next year and we will see.

Small Sample? Playoff were about the same as the second half of the whole season for the PG, really poor.

 

[magnifier661]

I mention this before in another thread. Silents? It seems like the elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring.

Repost from another thread.

We may have a problem at PG, but Portland can fix that before next season. Lillard shot .161 from three and .406 from the field during the playoffs and only managed to produce 4.6 assists per game. This is not even a bench quality PG. The worst thing, even worse than his piss poor defense, was his inability to recongnize who are his best shooter on the court. I do not think he got one assist helping Meyers get a shot. Even worse, I did not see him even pass the ball to him once, The best shooter on the court and the man ignored him. That is dumb. I don't know what the hell is wrong with him but it is fixable by him or a serviceable PG.

Anyone got and answer?

Assists come when your teammates can hit a shot. Unfortunately, no one really hit their shots. Then it snow balls because if your role players and other star can't hit their shot, the team can collapse on you and force you to take rushed and contested shots, further creating problems

 

[Strenuus]

21 assist average, Dame, COME ON IT'S NOT THAT HARD!!!! :MARIS61:

 

[Strenuus]

Assists come when your teammates can hit a shot. Unfortunately, no one really hit their shots. Then it snow balls because if your role players and other star can't hit their shot, the team can collapse on you and force you to take rushed and contested shots, further creating problems

Logic befalls some. You are not one of those.

 

[MarAzul]

Unfortunately, no one really hit their shots[/QUOTE

You seem to ignore a function of PG is to create assists. This is done by design and recongnition of the who can shoot the friggin ball.
Not one assist by getting the ball to the best shooter we have, never once kicking it back to him when driving around his screen. Why the fuck is he wearing these blinders?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

He is a top 10 point guard. Great player, had a bad second half. His assist numbers are low for two reasons, we swing the ball a lot and we miss a lot of shots off good passes.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Small Sample? Playoff were about the same as the second half of the whole season for the PG, really poor.

His stats across the board were poor after his injury. No doubt. Not sure why you would expect otherwise.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I blame Obama.

 

[blue32]

I blame Obama.

wrong forum.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

wrong forum.

Dammit!

 

[MarAzul]

His stats across the board were poor after his injury

What the hell? He injured? Then why the hell does he jack up so many friggin threes that he can't hit? .161 sucks you know.
He took more threes the anyone else if the damn league. Is that what you do when injured? Come on, that's bull shit! Especially when you have a real shooter out there with you that you can't fucking find. Did he injure and eye?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

What the hell? He injured? Then why the hell does he jack up some many friggin threes that he can't hit? .161 sucks you know.
He took more threes the anyone else if the damn league. Is that what you do when injured? Come on, that's bull shit! Especially when you have a real shooter out there with you that you can fucking find. Did he injure and eye?

That is on the coach (which I know you have your own issues with).

 

[H.C.]

This guy reminds me of co-workers I used to work with that continually asked a question different ways, if the answer you gave didn't fit into their box.
I laughed @ them and repeated the same thing over and over again until they accepted the answer that was given.

If you want Lillard to average 10+ assists a game, let him play like CP3/Curry/Wall/etc.
If you play in a system like the Blazers do. Assist numbers will go down, because more than 1 player will touch the ball per 24 seconds.
See Rondo when he went to the Mavs System, See Lillard in the Blazers System, See Parker in the Spurs System.. I could go on...
When you dominate the ball like Rondo, Nash, Curry, CP3, and others... Your assist numbers will be inflated.
However.... When you play within a system. Your numbers are lower.
Useage % doesn't tell the whole story.

Some of the shots Lillard too were questionable. But he's not the only one that should be questioned for shot selection.

 

[MarAzul]

That is on the coach

Perhaps you have a point. I think the coach should have ripped his ass. But even so, a PG should know on his own, better than the shit I saw him give the team.

 

[MarAzul]

I'll be damned! You guys have blinders on too.

 

[dviss1]

Blah Blah blah, another Lillard hate thread....

Who do you want to trade him for Marzy? You obviously don't want him on the team. So come up with a solution to your "problem" instead of creating a useless thread...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'll be damned! You guys have blinders on too.

Of course. If one person has one perspective, and everyone else has a differing perspective, it stands to reason that everyone else is wrong.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Of course. If one person has one perspective, and everyone else has a differing perspective, it stands to reason that everyone else is wrong.

HAHA. I was thinking the same thing...but didn't think it would sink in for obvious reason so I didn't post it.

 

[MarAzul]

Blah Blah blah, another Lillard hate thread....

Who do you want to trade him for Marzy? You obviously don't want him on the team. So come up with a solution to your "problem" instead of creating a useless thread...

He is a top 10 point guard. Great player, had a bad second half. His assist numbers are low for two reasons, we swing the ball a lot and we miss a lot of shots off good passes.

Actually I think he can be a good PG. I think the coach is out of his mind for letting him run wild like he did. Really terrible during the Griz series.
He took 31 three point shots during that series, hit 5. Leonard took 13 hit 10. McCollum took 23 hit 11.
It should be real obvious where he should get the ball heh? A three point shot by Lillard is about the same as a TO where it could be and assist.

 

[MarAzul]

HAHA. I was thinking the same thing

yeah, I find it funny as hell too. Well strange as hell might be closer to the mark.

 

[MarAzul]

Of course. If one person has one perspective, and everyone else has a differing perspective, it stands to reason that everyone else is wrong.

Yeah, I am often reminded of the One eyed man in the valley of the blind. I hope not to suffer his fate though.

 

[Strenuus]

Of course. If one person has one perspective, and everyone else has a differing perspective, it stands to reason that everyone else is wrong.

POLITICS!!!! FOX NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :MARIS61:

 

[e_blazer]

A. You're not wrong that Lillard had a bad second half of the season. Suffering from a slump? Injury? Worn out? Subject to extraordinary defensive coverage because teams could sag off all of the other perimeter players once Wes went down? Answer: probably all of the above.

B. Are you ignoring 2.5 years of terrific play and myopically looking only at the last half of this season? It appears that way. Dame is a terrific talent, but he's human. Cut him some fricking slack.

 

[BBert]

wrong forum.

It's never the wrong forum to blame Obama. Apparently.

 

[riverman]

My answer Marzy! Somebody had to make a shot and he thought shooting out of his slump would happen sooner.Then he thought LA would take over and his shot was failing. Then Batum tried with the same result and finally Meyers and CJ got some burn and had the hot hands. The Lillard time watch just needed a new battery..started running slower than usual. Team shooting cold pretty much across the board affected his assist numbers but he got hockey assists when someone did actually score. Short term memory of the fanbase judges each player by his last two games although CJ was horrible the first two games, we only remember him scoring 33 in the last loss. Meyers finally learned to get in the stance and play defense, so his minutes bumped up and he stayed on the court. I saw Lillard pass him the ball many times when he hesitated and passed it to another guy. Lillard constantly told Meyers to take those shots and eventually he did.

 

[Natebishop3]

So in three seasons he has been named rookie of the year and been selected for two allstar teams..... Not enough!!!


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[HailBlazers]

Two Words for you Marzy..

IRON MAN