Alternative energy will no longer be alternative

[maxiep]

It's bad enough the government loans the money in the first place. With nothing but "pay us interest and pay off the loan," the government is at least incentivized to pour more cash in if the first amount isn't enough.

If you add other incentives, then you'll have Obama pushing the company to produce green things, which likely isn't a good business decision but is a good political one. Or maybe the fool actually thinks it'll maximize equity growth and thus the return to the government on the loan.

I'm not seeing it.

That's right. You're not seeing it. I'm not advocating the government making these investments, so don't pretend I am. All I'm saying is that if we do, we should structure them to be more advantageous to the public rather than the private investors.

 

[Denny Crane]

That's right. You're not seeing it. I'm not advocating the government making these investments, so don't pretend I am. All I'm saying is that if we do, we should structure them to be more advantageous to the public rather than the private investors.

Politicians have historically looked to investments in private markets. They've never been a good idea. Be it Clinton suggesting a portion of the Social Security trust fund invested in the market, or Obama taking stock in GM.

I don't see it, is right. The government isn't about being some profitable corporation-like thing. They don't profit off the military, for example.

 

[maxiep]

Politicians have historically looked to investments in private markets. They've never been a good idea. Be it Clinton suggesting a portion of the Social Security trust fund invested in the market, or Obama taking stock in GM.

I don't see it, is right. The government isn't about being some profitable corporation-like thing. They don't profit off the military, for example.

You don't see it. It's pretty simple, so I'm surprised.

And we don't profit off of the military because it's not a private sector company.

 

[Denny Crane]

You don't see it. It's pretty simple, so I'm surprised.

And we don't profit off of the military because it's not a private sector company.

Why should government profit off of anything?

It's given an allowance to do "good" for the public. It's objective is to spend the money for that public "good." Not to make a profit.

If keeping Chrysler from going out of business is in the public "good" then they should bail it out.

Why charge interest? Why make them pay it back at all? So the government isn't publicly funding private enterprise (like European countries do for AirBus).

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That article doesn't cover the biggest problem I had when looking into using solar power to run my sailboat.

That's your first mistake right there. While I have never built a sailboat like you have from what I understand they are designed to run off of a completely different type of alternative energy than solar.

 

[maxiep]

Why should government profit off of anything?

It's given an allowance to do "good" for the public. It's objective is to spend the money for that public "good." Not to make a profit.

If keeping Chrysler from going out of business is in the public "good" then they should bail it out.

Why charge interest? Why make them pay it back at all? So the government isn't publicly funding private enterprise (like European countries do for AirBus).

Jesus. You're being intentionally obtuse. Fine. Play the moron.

 

[magnifier661]

That's your first mistake right there. While I have never built a sailboat like you have from what I understand they are designed to run off of a completely different type of alternative energy than solar.

Soon they will design the sail to be solar panels!

 

[porkchopexpress]

Soon they will design the sail to be solar panels!

solarboat

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Soon they will design the sail to be solar panels!

I just thought it was funny he was complaining that he can't run his boat on alternative energy when in fact he is running his boat on alternative energy.

 

[Denny Crane]

Jesus. You're being intentionally obtuse. Fine. Play the moron.

No I'm not being obtuse.

To follow your logic, the government should invest in anything they can to make money. For the purpose of making money. It's a good thing, right?

You literally complain about the opportunity cost. The opportunity to profit in some sort of sweetheart type deal like private sector investors did.

Well, the opportunity cost of investing in the military is digging up diamonds out of the ground. Maybe an absurd example, but it may make the point if you get it.

The govt. isn't a profit center. It makes nothing and sells nothing. It is a leach on society and the private sector making and selling things. It's there to form a more perfect union, not to profit off stock sales or wall street deals.

 

[Denny Crane]

I just thought it was funny he was complaining that he can't run his boat on alternative energy when in fact he is running his boat on alternative energy.

The generator for his electricity needs isn't alternative energy, though.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The generator for his electricity needs isn't alternative energy, though.

You are correct, a gas engine that generates electricity is not alternative energy.

But the boat's primary power source is wind power and wind power is considered an alternative energy.

I just thought it was an odd complaint and even an odder conclusion he made. He can't use alternative energy as a secondary power source on a boat who gets its primary energy from an alternative power source. Just because he can't use solar panels on a sailboat doesn't mean solar panels are bad or should only be used in space. He can't use a nuclear reactor on his sailboat either but that doesn't mean nuclear power doesn't have it's uses.

Also I know Marazul and I'm just giving him a bad time. I've been lucky enough to see in person the sailboat he is building and it's amazing. A work of art. You should check it out - https://sites.google.com/site/marazulles/pictures-exterior

 

[Denny Crane]

That is awesome.

If it leaks, maybe he could use this:

See, it works for boats!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

That is awesome.

If it leaks, maybe he could use this:

See, it works for boats!

LOL! I don't think he'll need it.

Did you see how the boat was constructed? https://sites.google.com/site/marazulles/mar-azul-current-work

Part of it is covered in Kevlar.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes. I was making a joke

His boat looks awesome. It looks like he may actually know what he's doing!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Yes. I was making a joke

His boat looks awesome. It looks like he may actually know what he's doing!

He's a former original Navy Seal, turned IBM engineer, turned Oregon Coast boat builder. Trippy dude.

 

[Denny Crane]

He needs more tools.

Ask him. I be he agrees

 

[SlyPokerDog]

He needs more tools.

Ask him. I be he agrees

Who doesn't?

Oops, I forgot about the HCP and Maxiep's of this forum who are too girly to know about such pleasures, lol.

 

[magnifier661]

He's a former original Navy Seal, turned IBM engineer, turned Oregon Coast boat builder. Trippy dude.

Definitely don't want to get into a fight with him. He may castrate you with a pencil and two rubber bands! They are that good!

 

[Denny Crane]

He doesn't need a pencil and two rubber bands. He's got one of these:

 

[MarAzul]

Heh? Sailboat is driven by wind. Electrical systems need some juice. Not enough space on the thing for Solar Panels and no I don't want an Prop whirling on my deck like a Corsair about to depart just to get the juice.

 

[maxiep]

No I'm not being obtuse.

To follow your logic, the government should invest in anything they can to make money. For the purpose of making money. It's a good thing, right?

You literally complain about the opportunity cost. The opportunity to profit in some sort of sweetheart type deal like private sector investors did.

Well, the opportunity cost of investing in the military is digging up diamonds out of the ground. Maybe an absurd example, but it may make the point if you get it.

The govt. isn't a profit center. It makes nothing and sells nothing. It is a leach on society and the private sector making and selling things. It's there to form a more perfect union, not to profit off stock sales or wall street deals.

At every post, I told you I was against those "investments". I said if we were going to undertake them, then we should be a hell of a lot smarter. My position is that I don't want them. Stop pretending I do.

Fuck, but you really are a moron on this issue. I apologize for giving you too much credit.

 

[Denny Crane]

At every post, I told you I was against those "investments". I said if we were going to undertake them, then we should be a hell of a lot smarter. My position is that I don't want them. Stop pretending I do.

Fuck, but you really are a moron on this issue. I apologize for giving you too much credit.

What you call smarter means Obama tells them to make green things.

I told you that already, so you are the one being obtuse, no?

You constantly rail against government trying to pick winners, then you suggest they should be "smart" so they can profit off the winner they picked.

 

[MarAzul]

He doesn't need a pencil and two rubber bands. He's got one of these:

Yes, I even used it on a nut once.