Alvin Gentry: Blazers 'Have More Weapons' Since Last Season's Playoffs

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BonesJones said:
I'd rather pay an extra $10M for someone who's a good fit, who's younger, and who's better.

Also, that 38 games over the past 4 years isnt even close to being right. Im wondering where you got that from, because even adding partial rows on accident gives a result of 45.5 games...
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2014-15 67 2015-16 35 2016-17 61 2017-18 58= 221 games = 55 games a year

that's still not good, but he has played 66 this season, so he might hit 80
 
BonesJones said:
I'd rather pay an extra $10M for someone who's a good fit, who's younger, and who's better.

Also, that 38 games over the past 4 years isnt even close to being right. Im wondering where you got that from, because even adding partial rows on accident gives a result of 45.5 games...
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I see where I was off as i just went down the column and didn't notice the season he was traded. Still, the point is that he has had a lot of injuries in his career during the season and in the playoffs.

Also, BG is owed 55 mil more than Aldridge, not 10mil and that's not even taking into account who we would have to trade and how many draft picks it would take.
 
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CupWizier said:
what does 33, 25, 61 and 35 average out to be?

Also, BG is owed 55 mil more than Aldridge, not 10mil and that's not even taking into account who we would have to trade and how many draft picks it would take.
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When I get to a computer Im gonna check BBreference cause you guys came up with different numbers...
 
CupWizier said:
what does 33, 25, 61 and 35 average out to be?

Also, BG is owed 55 mil more than Aldridge, not 10mil and that's not even taking into account who we would have to trade and how many draft picks it would take.
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Where in the world are you getting those game totals?

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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Id rather have BG I think he’s overall better then LMA, though yeah I think health is a concern.
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For the next 2 seasons after this would you rather have a lineup up of

Lillard, McCollum, Harkless, Aldridge and Nurkic

or Lillard, ?, Harkless, Griffin and Nurkic? With that team salary we wouldn't have much to offer to get a shooting guard.
 
CupWizier said:
I see where I was off as i just went down the column and didn't notice the season he was traded. Still, the point is that he has had a lot of injuries in his career during the season and in the playoffs.

Also, BG is owed 55 mil more than Aldridge, not 10mil and that's not even taking into account who we would have to trade and how many draft picks it would take.
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33 with one team, 25 with the other, 58 on the season.
 
When taking the 2016-2017 to 2018-2019 seasons into account, Blake's played in 185 of a possible 232 games (79.7%).

That equates to more than 65 games a season.

For reference, during the same time span Al-Farouq Aminu has played in 198 of a possible 232 games (85.3%)

That equates to about 70 games a season.

Nobody talks about Aminu being injury prone, yet many people act like Griffin can't even stay on the court at all. They use Blake's "injury issues" as a reason to not go after Griffin as an upgrade over Aminu. They either overreact to a difference of 5 games a year, or they overreact to his injury issues from more than 3 years ago, when he's completely changed the way he's played which leads to less stress on his legs and body.
 
CupWizier said:
For the next 2 seasons after this would you rather have a lineup up of

Lillard, McCollum, Harkless, Aldridge and Nurkic

or Lillard, ?, Harkless, Griffin and Nurkic? With that team salary we wouldn't have much to offer to get a shooting guard.
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Lillard, Hood, Harkless, Griffin, Nurkic >>> Lillard, McCollum, Harkless, Aldridge, Nurkic.

Also, if they decide to put Griffin on the market, they're not getting anyone like C.J. back. You're looking at Collins, expirings, and a couple 1sts.
 
CupWizier said:
I see where I was off as i just went down the column and didn't notice the season he was traded. Still, the point is that he has had a lot of injuries in his career during the season and in the playoffs.

Also, BG is owed 55 mil more than Aldridge, not 10mil and that's not even taking into account who we would have to trade and how many draft picks it would take.
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Yeah, 4 years ago when he still tried to prime-Vince Carter everybody.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I dont think its so much about offsetting a bad performance as those guys play well enough that teams cant just throw everything at Dame. If they have enough weapons to keep the defense honest I think that’ll help a lot..
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yeah ok...but my point was that the weapons Portland had last season played well. They got 54 points from their 3 'other' starters who combined for a TS% somewhere around .600. CJ playing great, and Aminu playing over his head weren't able to force the Pels into "honest" defense. Will Hood or Curry do what CJ and Aminu couldn't? Will Kanter make teams give up jumping the PnR when Dame is running it?

by the way, you might want to take a look at what Hood's playoff history has been...it's not pretty. He has a regular season PER of 13.3 & a playoff mark of 6.5; a regular season TS% of .539 and a playoff mark of .450; a regular season winshare/48 of 0.90 and a playoff mark of -0.039; a regulars season BPM of -1.0 and a playoff mark of -5.6. He might be kind of leaky vessel to put a lot of hope in. Kanter hasn't had a statistical dropoff, but his minutes have gone way down in the playoffs...like cut in half
 
wizenheimer said:
yeah ok...but my point was that the weapons Portland had last season played well. They got 54 points from their 3 'other' starters who combined for a TS% somewhere around .600. CJ playing great, and Aminu playing over his head weren't able to force the Pels into "honest" defense. Will Hood or Curry do what CJ and Aminu couldn't? Will Kanter make teams give up jumping the PnR when Dame is running it?

by the way, you might want to take a look at what Hood's playoff history has been...it's not pretty. He has a regular season PER of 13.3 & a playoff mark of 6.5; a regular season TS% of .539 and a playoff mark of .450; a regular season winshare/48 of 0.90 and a playoff mark of -0.039; a regulars season BPM of -1.0 and a playoff mark of -5.6. He might be kind of leaky vessel to put a lot of hope in. Kanter hasn't had a statistical dropoff, but his minutes have gone way down in the playoffs...like cut in half
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Sure the rest of the teams TS% was fine but they were a tragedy when it came to ball movement and getting good shots, so many turnovers, and Nurkic was basically benched most of that series it felt like.
Like I said I'm not sure that they have figured it out, but we'll see shortly I suppose.
 
BonesJones said:
When taking the 2016-2017 to 2018-2019 seasons into account, Blake's played in 185 of a possible 232 games (79.7%).

That equates to more than 65 games a season.

For reference, during the same time span Al-Farouq Aminu has played in 198 of a possible 232 games (85.3%)

That equates to about 70 games a season.

Nobody talks about Aminu being injury prone, yet many people act like Griffin can't even stay on the court at all. They use Blake's "injury issues" as a reason to not go after Griffin as an upgrade over Aminu. They either overreact to a difference of 5 games a year, or they overreact to his injury issues from more than 3 years ago, when he's completely changed the way he's played which leads to less stress on his legs and body.
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Now you're cherry picking years and giving excuses so let's just agree to end this as it appears it is heading downhill again. Game time and you need to get warmed up for the game thread.
 
What's the point in acquiring Aldridge, to contend, or to satisfy nostalgia?

Screw nostalgia, I want to contend, and Griffin gives us a much better chance to do so.
 
CupWizier said:
Now you're cherry picking years and giving excuses so let's just agree to end this as it appears it is heading downhill again. Game time and you need to get warmed up for the game thread.
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The only reason it heads downhill is because you make up a narrative to argue or you accuse people of things like "cherry picking", etc.

Cherry picking years? You used 4 years to include his low of a 35 game season. I'm picking his past 3 years because that's the timespan when he's changed the way he's played. When I think "recent season", I usually think of the past 3 years.

Nobody is giving excuses at all. What excuse did I give? He's been more healthy lately because he doesn't try to dunk and bang into everyone like he used to. That's a reason why he isn't hurt as much. Not an excuse.

As I said, to spoil the narrative I posted, you have to include data from FOUR years ago. So like I said, people are overreacting to what happened YEARS ago when he was a completely different player.

I get that you have a nostalgic want for LaMarcus, but if you're looking at players while disregarding who used to play here, Blake Griffin is the much, MUCH better option.
 
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BonesJones said:
What's the point in acquiring Aldridge, to contend, or to satisfy nostalgia?

Screw nostalgia, I want to contend, and Griffin gives us a much better chance to do so.
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Who said anything about nostalgia?
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't think the playoffs are about players 5-10 in rotations, it's about players 1-3 or 1-4. Curry + Hood + Kanter may be better than Napier + Connaughton + Davis, but I don't think those changes, by themselves, can turn 0-4 into 4-2
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2010 Suns got to WCF by giving 6-10 major minutes. It can work. Same with 99 Blazers
 
CupWizier said:
For the next 2 seasons after this would you rather have a lineup up of

Lillard, McCollum, Harkless, Aldridge and Nurkic

or Lillard, ?, Harkless, Griffin and Nurkic? With that team salary we wouldn't have much to offer to get a shooting guard.
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The one with Griffin. No question in ny mind
 
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