Amare to PDX in a S&T?

[Fez Hammersticks]

Shoot, PapaG just kinda disappeared from this forum.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Shoot, PapaG just kinda disappeared from this forum.

To hell with quitters.

 

[barfo]

Shoot, PapaG just kinda disappeared from this forum.

He'll be back in the morning.

Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man look like Bert Kolde; oh, those eyes!

barfo

 

[Rhal]

No way Amare comes here, he has said he hates cold climates and were not exactly sunny 90% of the time. That being said as "soft" as LMA is his defense has improved every year and will continue learning from Camby, his offense isn't a banger type like Amare's but his defense is a lot better then Amare's. He will also go from the #1 option on a team to the #2 so his ppg would drop and his looks would too. He could play with Shaq who loves to play close to the basket so could he play with Oden who has shown he loves too to? Guess what i'm saying is that Amare is one of my favorite players to watch but without Nash and a system that really plays towards his abilitys would he really be that much of an upgrade over Aldridge?

 

[BrianFromWA]

So I've been trying to think about why Wojo would write that, b/c he's not stupid (or all the other things you might say). The best I could come up with was this:

I have no doubt that Sarver would like to cut payroll. He might see this as a way to trade Amare for, say, the Knicks' 2015 conditional second-rounder, which would give him a 17M-ish sized trade exception. He then could trade his big exception to the Knicks for a S&T David Lee at an LMA-sized contract, so in effect he's getting 80%-ish Amare production from Lee for 6M less a year (30-35M over the course of a contract). He'd then still have around a 6M exception to use if shenanigans go on this coming year like they're doing right now.

 

[Rhal]

So I've been trying to think about why Wojo would write that, b/c he's not stupid (or all the other things you might say). The best I could come up with was this:

I have no doubt that Sarver would like to cut payroll. He might see this as a way to trade Amare for, say, the Knicks' 2015 conditional second-rounder, which would give him a 17M-ish sized trade exception. He then could trade his big exception to the Knicks for a S&T David Lee at an LMA-sized contract, so in effect he's getting 80%-ish Amare production from Lee for 6M less a year (30-35M over the course of a contract). He'd then still have around a 6M exception to use if shenanigans go on this coming year like they're doing right now.

Lee in Arizona would be fun to watch. Better big man passer then Amare, I just wonder if he can keep his points up near what they were this season in Arizona. If so its a great deal for them.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You mean, going from glorified garbageman to having Steve Nash looking out for you is detrimental somehow to point production?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Bucher on ESPN tonight:

LeBron --> Chicago

Bosh --> Houston

Amare --> New York

Johnson --> New York

Just a few hours earlier, Stephen A. Smith has it like this:

LeBron --> Miami

Bosh --> Miami

Wade --> Miami

 

[Natebishop3]

Bucher on ESPN tonight:

LeBron --> Chicago

Bosh --> Houston

Amare --> New York

Johnson --> New York

Just a few hours earlier, Stephen A. Smith has it like this:

LeBron --> Miami

Bosh --> Miami

Wade --> Miami

People still pay Stephen A. Smith for his opinion?

 

[Rhal]

You mean, going from glorified garbageman to having Steve Nash looking out for you is detrimental somehow to point production?

lol for some reason Steve Nash did not play into my thinking at all, it more went like "well Lee is going from #1 #2 and #3 option on a horrible horrible team to a #1 option on a team that has a huge supporting cast of scorers"

 

[Mediocre Man]

Well fuck. Stop the presses! Big news on the horizon! We're one of four teams that could be possibilities in a scenario!

It's like people don't read the articles before they post.

I could be in line for a promotion today
I could be laid off today

 

[Pinwheel1]

And why the hell would Amare choose going to Portland over playing with Wade/w.e

0% chance this is a possibility. He's going east.

Oh yeah, we don't have a GM.

I agree that it will never happen as Amare' will not choose Portland. But get over the NO GM part. It will make no difference over the next couple of weeks. They have enough talent in the office now to know who they want to go after, and how to pick up the phone.

Sure over the long hall they need a "captain" to manage everythng, but they are not going to be left out in the cold if they really want to pursue someone. KP if anything would have hinder that with his "ley it bake philosophy (Which I still lean towards-I would not trade LMA as I think he fits better than Amare' along side Oden)

 

[XXPrimusXX]

People still pay Stephen A. Smith for his opinion?

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[TradeNurkicNow]

ahh so much better with PapaG on ignore

I don't get it. Please have barfo explain it to me.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

I don't get it. Please have barfo explain it to me.

What dont you get?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I highly doubt Amare would choose us over his other options, which is fine with me. I'd rather have LMA and his contract over Amare and the max deal he wants.

 

[illmatic99]

I highly doubt Amare would choose us over his other options, which is fine with me. I'd rather have LMA and his contract over Amare and the max deal he wants.

Kind of interesting how almost all of us have bitched about LA's contract over the past season, but it won't be anywhere near the worst for PFs after this summer.

PFs who will be paid more than Aldridge next season:
- Josh Smith
-KG
-Jamison
-Dampier (ya, i know he's a C-- but he helps make my point)
-Dirk
-Kenyon Martin
-Nene
-Troy Murphy
-Gasol
-ZBo
-Al Jefferson
-Lewis
-Brand
-Amare
-Duncan
-Bosh
-Boozer

LA's deal doesn't look that bad at all.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

^^ Good info. Thanks!

 

[hasoos]

It seems to me that a lot of posters on this board have a short memory. Amare Stoudemire absolutely kicked Lamarcus ass in the playoffs. Upgrade = Upgrade. Plus the other thing a lot of you seem to be missing is the fact that having a scorer to take the load off of Roy will do wonders for his durability. When a player carries too much of the load, it wears them down. Amare could shoulder a lot of that load.

 

[maxiep]

Don't forget this guy.

What kills me is that all of the photos they took for his profile, this is the one they thought made him look the best.

 

[noknobs]

It seems to me that a lot of posters on this board have a short memory. Amare Stoudemire absolutely kicked Lamarcus ass in the playoffs. Upgrade = Upgrade. Plus the other thing a lot of you seem to be missing is the fact that having a scorer to take the load off of Roy will do wonders for his durability. When a player carries too much of the load, it wears them down. Amare could shoulder a lot of that load.

How is averaging 20.5ppg/5.5 rpg compared to 19ppg/6rpg absolutely kicking Lamarcus ass? He outplayed him but I think you're exaggerating a bit.

 

[B-Roy]

How is averaging 20.5ppg/5.5 rpg compared to 19ppg/6rpg absolutely kicking Lamarcus ass? He outplayed him but I think you're exaggerating a bit.

Well he shot 12% higher. He didn't kick his ass, but I agree he outplayed him.

 

[Pinwheel1]

How did Shaq and Amare play together? How would Oden and Amare play together? Personally I think LMA is a better fit. I don't care if Amare is better head to head. Different system , different PG.

 

[Minstrel]

How did Shaq and Amare play together? How would Oden and Amare play together? Personally I think LMA is a better fit. I don't care if Amare is better head to head. Different system , different PG.

Shaq didn't fit with that team because was old, overweight and slow. He joined a team that liked to run. He slowed their pace when they were constructed to be up-tempo. By the time the team's make-up had changed, after D'Antoni's departure, Shaq was also gone.

I'd say that Amare would fit fine with Oden. Amare is really not a back-to-the-basket player. He's a face up power forward who hits mid-range jumpers and slashes to the basket. His offensive game is what I'd like Aldridge to be (Aldridge doesn't really attack the basket well) and with more aggression. The downside is that Amare's defense is significantly worse than Aldridge's...though Oden, in time, could make up for that. (Right now, it may lead to more fouls by Oden, so that's a concern.)

 

[mook]

(Right now, it may lead to more fouls by Oden, so that's a concern.)

That's probably what tips the scales for me against adding Amare in exchange for Aldridge.

At 27, Amare is who he is. Had he been groomed in a system where he learned to play defense, he'd be a much more desirable player. But he's just spent 8 years with the Suns. He's not going to learn to defend now. It'll always be an Achilles heel on any team he plays on.

At 24, Aldridge is 4 years into being a Blazer under Nate. He's made small, steady gains on the defensive end, and there's still some upside there.

I want Oden on the floor every minute possible. That's my overwhelming concern, because we don't win a title with Amare or Aldridge if Oden isn't manning the middle and out of foul trouble.

 

[hasoos]

How is averaging 20.5ppg/5.5 rpg compared to 19ppg/6rpg absolutely kicking Lamarcus ass? He outplayed him but I think you're exaggerating a bit.

Some people seem to have forgotten that in a couple of those games that PHX was up so big, that Amare didn't play the whole game, whereas, the guy you are comparing him to stat wise, did.

 

[hasoos]

That's probably what tips the scales for me against adding Amare in exchange for Aldridge.

At 27, Amare is who he is. Had he been groomed in a system where he learned to play defense, he'd be a much more desirable player. But he's just spent 8 years with the Suns. He's not going to learn to defend now. It'll always be an Achilles heel on any team he plays on.

At 24, Aldridge is 4 years into being a Blazer under Nate. He's made small, steady gains on the defensive end, and there's still some upside there.

I want Oden on the floor every minute possible. That's my overwhelming concern, because we don't win a title with Amare or Aldridge if Oden isn't manning the middle and out of foul trouble.

I don't agree. I think the only difference between Lamarcus now, and Lamarcus in his rookie year is the number of minutes he plays and the number of fouls he committs. His blocks have actually dropped into the sewer, where he used to average about 1.5 a game, he now averages .8. While he tries hard on defense, he obviously doesn't study film, because he lets the guys he guards get to their strong move every time without trying to take it away.

 

[noknobs]

Some people seem to have forgotten that in a couple of those games that PHX was up so big, that Amare didn't play the whole game, whereas, the guy you are comparing him to stat wise, did.

Ah yes, that extra 3 and a half minutes Aldridge played means Amare absolutely kicked his ass. Great observation.

 

[Minstrel]

That's probably what tips the scales for me against adding Amare in exchange for Aldridge.

...

I want Oden on the floor every minute possible. That's my overwhelming concern, because we don't win a title with Amare or Aldridge if Oden isn't manning the middle and out of foul trouble.

Yeah, after thinking it over, I think that tips it for me, too. I think Amare would be a better fit if Oden were established and had fouls under control (and referee cheating, err, I mean respect, in his favour). As it stands, the slight upgrade (significant on offense but mitigated by defense) is not worth the likely hinderance to Oden's development.

 

[mook]

I don't agree. I think the only difference between Lamarcus now, and Lamarcus in his rookie year is the number of minutes he plays and the number of fouls he committs. His blocks have actually dropped into the sewer, where he used to average about 1.5 a game, he now averages .8. While he tries hard on defense, he obviously doesn't study film, because he lets the guys he guards get to their strong move every time without trying to take it away.

His defensive rating has crept down a little from 109 to 107, which isn't exactly earth-shattering. But I do think he's improved at full-court defense (getting back and holding down the fort on the fast break) and defending on switches around the perimeter.

But yeah, his post defense hasn't really advanced much so far.