Amare's Elbow numbed Batum's arm

[Nikolokolus]

It alone wasn't "suspension worthy", but he already has a "Flagrant 1" to his credit. Another would put him out of the next game.

Then so be it, he'd be suspended by the rules with two flagrants, it still doesn't make the play in isolation a suspension worthy event which has been my contention throughout this silly argument.

 

[Sug]

What annoyed me and what I think will be important to the league was how intentional it was. There was nothing accidental about the angle of Amare's elbow when he was "adjusting" his glasses. It was the Laimbeerest of moves--chickenshit to the core.

I am going to defend Bill here, he would smack you in the face while looking at you. Amare is such a pussy that he does it as a cheap shot, plus when Bill hit you and the refs got involved he would tell you to your face that he did it and that he planned on doing it again. That is the difference I see, and this goes to what HCP was referring to I suppose, the players back in the day at least owned their behavior. Amare simply backs away like a coward like he did nothing, aka pussy. The NBA was different back in the day and that was part of the game. In today's game it has no place.

 

[maxiep]

For the record, crying to Mommy Stern wouldn't be necessary if the players were simply allowed to properly retaliate. What do you think Mo Lucas would have done to Stoudemire if this would have been 1978 instead of 2010? And knowing what was awaiting him means Stoudemire wouldn't have done it in the first place.

 

[Nikolokolus]

For the record, crying to Mommy Stern wouldn't be necessary if the players were simply allowed to properly retaliate. What do you think Mo Lucas would have done to Stoudemire if this would have been 1978 instead of 2010? And knowing what was awaiting him means Stoudemire wouldn't have done it in the first place.

Now this is a very valid point. I really wish they could back to letting the players police themselves. The brawl in the Palace really ruined the game with the overreaction it created.

 

[maxiep]

I am going to defend Bill here, he would smack you in the face while looking at you. Amare is such a pussy that he does it as a cheap shot, plus when Bill hit you and the refs got involved he would tell you to your face that he did it and that he planned on doing it again. That is the difference I see, and this goes to what HCP was referring to I suppose, the players back in the day at least owned their behavior. Amare simply backs away like a coward like he did nothing, aka pussy. The NBA was different back in the day and that was part of the game. In today's game it has no place.

Sug, I'm going to respectfully disagree. You never saw Laimbeer move so fast as after he hit you. He'd make a beeline right behind a ref and dare you to retaliate, and then he'd flop like he was in the English Premier League if you breathed on him.

 

[maxiep]

Now this is a very valid point. I really wish they could back to letting the players police themselves. The brawl in the Palace really ruined the game with the overreaction it created.

Not to split hairs--or jaws--but that era ended when Kermit crushed Rudy's face at the Forum.

 

[Sug]

Exactly, perhaps one of the worst moments in sports history. If you ask Kermit, he would agree.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Not to split hairs--or jaws--but that era ended when Kermit crushed Rudy's face at the Forum.

Goddamn dirty players. F Kermit and whatever team he was playing for at the time that killed hard fouls in the NBA!!

 

[Nikolokolus]

Not to split hairs--or jaws--but that era ended when Kermit crushed Rudy's face at the Forum.

I wasn't really old enough to remember that, but I've seen video of that incident and it really churns your stomach. But like I said, I don't want to see physicality that threatens lives or careers, but chippy, edgy play and occasional fights don't bother me in the slightest.

 

[Sug]

Sug, I'm going to respectfully disagree. You never saw Laimbeer move so fast as after he hit you. He'd make a beeline right behind a ref and dare you to retaliate, and then he'd flop like he was in the English Premier League if you breathed on him.

Okay I might be romanticizing the era a bit, but it was simply different than this shit we are seeing from Amare. Maybe I cannot articulate it well, but do you agree with me that what we are seeing now is not the same as what we saw back in the 80 and early 90's?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Okay I might be romanticizing the era a bit, but it was simply different than this shit we are seeing from Amare. Maybe I cannot articulate it well, but do you agree with me that what we are seeing now is not the same as what we saw back in the 80 and early 90's?

I love me some Bill Laimbeer (except in the Finals v. Portland) or Charles Oakley.

 

[D-Rock]

Now this is a very valid point. I really wish they could back to letting the players police themselves. The brawl in the Palace really ruined the game with the overreaction it created.

Maybe I'm off on this, but it sure seems like there are a lot more thugs/gangstas in the league now then there was back in the day. Maybe there's more danger for all out brawls now then there used to be, because the players are more prone to bring guns into the locker room. (Semi TIC)

 

[maxiep]

Okay I might be romanticizing the era a bit, but it was simply different than this shit we are seeing from Amare. Maybe I cannot articulate it well, but do you agree with me that what we are seeing now is not the same as what we saw back in the 80 and early 90's?

You just used a poor example. Bill Laimbeer was a whiny little bitch. If you had mentioned Charles Oakley, I would have mostly agreed. However, in terms of physical play 1970s > early 90s > Today.

 

[Strider]

Sorry, but I have to ask, did you sleep thru the 80's-early 90's?* This is NOTHING compared to what used to happen with the Bad Boys and Knicks!

*Agreed - Todays game was a little more physical than the 1st three but nothing like they use to be and if the Blazers advance past this round the games will only get more physical.

Strider

 

[maxiep]

Maybe I'm off on this, but it sure seems like there are a lot more thugs/gangstas in the league now then there was back in the day. Maybe there's more danger for all out brawls now then there used to be, because the players are more prone to bring guns into the locker room. (Semi TIC)

Try to find the backstory on the Chris Mills incident stopped by Stacey Augman. Kenny Vance talked about it once, and it was hilarious.

BTW, if this stuff was allowed to be settled on the court, then the anger wouldn't spill over. You let some steam off during the game, everyone gets their piece of flesh and you play another day.

 

[julius]

I hope the NBA reviews the tape, because if they do Amare will be suspended for one game.

The league doesn't have the balls to suspend a Phoenix player in the playoffs after the cheap shot Bob incident.

Not that I think Amare deserves to be suspended for that elbow (the one against LaMarcus? Yes).

I do find it strange how KG and Amare both have tried to (or are trying to) punk LaMarcus. He needs to retaliate by doing the exact same thing thee do against him.

btw, imho, Amare is the biggest coward in the NBA outside of KG. You notice he didn't try that with Juwan or Marcus Camby.

Hate on Karl Malone as much as you want, he didn't care who you were. Isiah Thomas, David Robinson, it didn't matter. Although it was great when someone finally stood up to his punkass ways. We just need this teams Brian Grant to stand up to Amare. Not sure who that is, or if he'll play in the series.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You just used a poor example. Bill Laimbeer was a whiny little bitch. If you had mentioned Charles Oakley, I would have mostly agreed. However, in terms of physical play 1970s > early 90s > Today.

I mentioned both before your post. But that's cuz I'm drunk, sitting outside your window, and I type faster than you. So as soon as I saw you type Oakley, I dropped that name.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

I still am waiting for Juwan to just throw someone down - him running into Amar'e in the game was a start, but I mean a full, real hard foul.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Try to find the backstory on the Chris Mills incident stopped by Stacey Augman. Kenny Vance talked about it once, and it was hilarious.

BTW, if this stuff was allowed to be settled on the court, then the anger wouldn't spill over. You let some steam off during the game, everyone gets their piece of flesh and you play another day.

I agree. If Sheed had been allowed to deck that ref during the game, he wouldn't have gone after him in the parking lot, and would have never been suspended 7 games.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I still am waiting for Juwan to just throw someone down - him running into Amar'e in the game was a start, but I mean a full, real hard foul.

Please don't tell me you're talking about the time when they were running down court, and Amare flopped, and Juwan was hit with a foul. Cuz that was all artistry on Amare's part, not intimidation by Juwan.

 

[Strider]

For the record, crying to Mommy Stern wouldn't be necessary if the players were simply allowed to properly retaliate. What do you think Mo Lucas would have done to Stoudemire if this would have been 1978 instead of 2010? And knowing what was awaiting him means Stoudemire wouldn't have done it in the first place.

Luke would have cold cocked him. But like you said - he would not have had to because nobody f*cked with Luke after his first few years.

 

[maxiep]

I still am waiting for Juwan to just throw someone down - him running into Amar'e in the game was a start, but I mean a full, real hard foul.

Chauncey Billups did that very thing to Deron Williams early in the first quarter of game 3. Billups was on a fast break, Williams stepped in front of him and Chauncey dropped his shoulder like Adrian Peterson into a defensive back and sent Deron flying. Chauncey knew he was going to get an offensive foul, but it was more important to send a message to Williams.

 

[Sug]

The league doesn't have the balls to suspend a Phoenix player in the playoffs after the cheap shot Bob incident.

Not that I think Amare deserves to be suspended for that elbow (the one against LaMarcus? Yes).

I do find it strange how KG and Amare both have tried to (or are trying to) punk LaMarcus. He needs to retaliate by doing the exact same thing thee do against him.

btw, imho, Amare is the biggest coward in the NBA outside of KG. You notice he didn't try that with Juwan or Marcus Camby.

Hate on Karl Malone as much as you want, he didn't care who you were. Isiah Thomas, David Robinson, it didn't matter. Although it was great when someone finally stood up to his punkass ways. We just need this teams Brian Grant to stand up to Amare. Not sure who that is, or if he'll play in the series.

Malone was a man about it, he wanted to punish you on every play. He never backed down, of course when your fists are the size of cantaloupes you can be a tough guy. I once had a tour of the Blazer practice facility with Jerry or Gerry can't remember the spelling(red head dude). He told us that when Karl Malone would come in with the Jazz to workout, he would jog around the court with 100lbs dumbbells in each hand, that dude was sick strong.

 

[Strider]

I agree. If Sheed had been allowed to deck that ref during the game, he wouldn't have gone after him in the parking lot, and would have never been suspended 7 games.

LOL - That's funny except Sheed is a punk. All he does is bitch and moan and occasionally lie on the floor and throw a fit like a 2 yr old.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

LOL - That's funny except Sheed is a punk. All he does is bitch and moan and occasionally lie on the floor and throw a fit like a 2 yr old.

Noted, and he's on the way over to your house at this very moment. Joking aside, there were times when Sheed lost it briefly, and came to, regained composure, and then tore out the opponent's heart. Unfortunately, as time wore on, he lost his ability to regain his composure. That, or he just really didn't care.

 

[Minstrel]

Anything meant to end a career or or otherwise knock somebody out of the game should be out of bounds, but nothing in what Amare' did falls into that category ... Nic get a little dead-armed, but it didn't prevent him from playing. Maybe it's a fine line, but I haven't seen anything so far that I would consider suspension worthy -- tech or flagrant worthy for sure however.

Okay. My take is that anything meant to injure should be out of bounds. Obviously, going for a career kill shot is much worse, there are degrees. But a player trying to achieve a re-injury on another player is in the category and it strikes me that that's what Amare was going for.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

We gotta sic' the pitbull on him!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Wait.. the "elbow" where Amare slightly brushed Batum on the shoulder? To me, there is no visual evidence to show that it was even on purpose.

 

[BGrantFan]

Wait.. the "elbow" where Amare slightly brushed Batum on the shoulder? To me, there is no visual evidence to show that it was even on purpose.

You mean the play where he walked right into Batum's right shoulder while "adjusting" his goggles? It was on purpose. Even Amare would admit it.

 

[ehizzy3]

can we please get a video