OT America hits peak anti-intellectualism: Majority of Republicans now think college is bad

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riverman said:
In fairness....those same GOP folks think robotics are bad for employment numbers....education is not solving problems...it's what kids DO with an education that matters....learning how to learn is important. A lot of liberal arts degrees are in my opinion a waste of time...you don't need a college degree to be an artist...you do to be a doctor, however
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You don't need to have a college degree to be a cop either... In Oregon, 16 weeks and you got your badge and your gun...
 
Even the crazy shit like at Evergreen is actually good. Sure, they are acting like dumbasses but there still needs to be a few places in this country where people push the limits at the edges. Oral Roberts or Brigham Young, Evergreen or Berkley, they push us to examine ourselves and how we interact with the world. These are needed, sometimes right, sometimes wrong, but actually an overall positive.. I don't think it would be good for all colleges and universities to be such boundary pushers but we are a large country that can certainly deal with a few rogue institutions.
 
riverman said:
you don't need a college degree to be an artist
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>>> Perhaps you don't realize how much study some forms of art take. But then on the other hand, you probably will not get there in college either.

riverman said:
you do to be a doctor
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Is this in danger of being obvious?
Or is being a doctor over rated? Maybe it means you stayed in school too long.
 
MarAzul said:
Or is being a doctor over rated? Maybe it means you stayed in school too long.
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school is a ship at sea....you can go somewhere or sail around in circles ......choices....my education has been quite an interesting journey...maybe you've stayed out of school too long
 
MarAzul said:
Perhaps you don't realize how much study some forms of art take
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you study art or you create art...choices..if you're lucky and have the time, you can do both..neither is required though
 
MarAzul said:
What do you think you know
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I know when someone is baiting me and disrespecting my career.....I also know I'm comfortable with my path in life whether you respect it or not. I know that whenever you ask for my opinions you are not really interested in those opinions...scientific method ...I'm a decent ping pong player when the game is friendly
 
MarAzul said:
Seems like a ridge definition of art is needed to make the statement true.
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I'm not defining art....I'm saying a liberal arts degree is not necessary to be an artist, yet it is necessary for other professions...microbiologist...doctor, etc...what the fuck is rigid about that? my wife won national awards for art and is published in the Taiwanese nat'l art museums books 3 times...never took an art class in her life...but you wouldn't know that, I'm guessing. I've never practiced surgery having never studied medicine
 
riverman said:
I know when someone is baiting me and disrespecting my career.....I also know I'm comfortable with my path in life whether you respect it or not. I know that whenever you ask for my opinions you are not really interested in those opinions...scientific method ...I'm a decent ping pong player when the game is friendly
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Well, back to art and the rigid opinion.
 
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May I take a moment to differentiate between the thread title, "Conservatives think college is bad" and the poll results saying that "Republicans think that colleges and universities have a negative impact on the country." These are two very different concepts.

I think college is great, is important, and something I absolutely expect for my kids. However, I also think that a majority of colleges are unhealthily steeped in liberal ideology and often actively silence conservative voices, to the students'--and by extension, the country's--detriment.

It is not contradictory to love and value education and also be concerned about the current state and impact of American universities.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
May I take a moment to differentiate between the thread title, "Conservatives think college is bad" and the poll results saying that "Republicans think that colleges and universities have a negative impact on the country." These are two very different concepts.

I think college is great, is important, and something I absolutely expect for my kids. However, I also think that a majority of colleges are unhealthily steeped in liberal ideology and often actively silence conservative voices, to the students'--and by extension, the country's--detriment.

It is not contradictory to love and value education and also be concerned about the current state and impact of American universities.
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Thank you for clearly stating the obvious in a much more eloquent and less insulting way than I am capable.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
May I take a moment to differentiate between the thread title, "Conservatives think college is bad" and the poll results saying that "Republicans think that colleges and universities have a negative impact on the country." These are two very different concepts.

I think college is great, is important, and something I absolutely expect for my kids. However, I also think that a majority of colleges are unhealthily steeped in liberal ideology and often actively silence conservative voices, to the students'--and by extension, the country's--detriment.

It is not contradictory to love and value education and also be concerned about the current state and impact of American universities.
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I've posted this before and I think it is worth discussing.

 
PtldPlatypus said:
actively silence conservative voices
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teaching doesn't pay enough to attract conservative professors most often...many think of teaching as something you do when your company goes bust or you get fired....college is all about the syllabus material and it's good to be selective about your courses...if someone were more conservative and wanted to go to school in an area that supported that culture...they should go to a red state....the west coast and new England are way more liberal generally than the Midwest or south. There are choices for conservatives in higher education....private schools for the most part.
 
Why are people so afraid of debating topics and hearing different opinions? They're not scary. They're just opinions.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I think college is great, is important, and something I absolutely expect for my kids. However, I also think that a majority of colleges are unhealthily steeped in liberal ideology and often actively silence conservative voices, to the students'--and by extension, the country's--detriment.
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How does that work in practice? Will you forbid/discourage your children from attending the majority of colleges?

barfo
 
barfo said:
How does that work in practice? Will you forbid/discourage your children from attending the majority of colleges?

barfo
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Not at all. My job is to spend 18 years exposing them to a wide range of ideas and encouraging them to think for themselves rather than just accepting what is given them, and hope/pray they take those lessons with them when they go to college.

I have no problem with people espousing liberal ideology. I get frustrated when it's presented as the only viable ideology. I get frustrated with conservatives who do the same (my in-laws are a prime example). However, I understand that there's no way to avoid that, so I hope only to prepare them for the deluge and hope for the best.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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That woman is a republican
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Not at all. My job is to spend 18 years exposing them to a wide range of ideas and encouraging them to think for themselves rather than just accepting what is given them, and hope/pray they take those lessons with them when they go to college.

I have no problem with people espousing liberal ideology. I get frustrated when it's presented as the only viable ideology. I get frustrated with conservatives who do the same (my in-laws are a prime example). However, I understand that there's no way to avoid that, so I hope only to prepare them for the deluge and hope for the best.
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So if one of them decides to go to Evergreen, say, you wouldn't try to suggest they reconsider?

I'm just asking because if you believe that most colleges are net negatives, then it seems like you'd want to try to steer your offspring away from them.

barfo
 
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