Amnesty clause - waive Roy

[SlyPokerDog]

"Will change the way you look at the Blazer's future"

1:30pm

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

I just hope he doesn't make it go from bleak/meh to bleaker.

My guess? It has something to do with Paul Allen.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

well? it's 1:30 and I'm nowhere near a radio.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

It's something about how the new collective bargaining agreement could help us.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

well? it's 1:30 and I'm nowhere near a radio.

listen online
http://www.955thegame.com/pages/8435626.php

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

listen online
http://www.955thegame.com/pages/8435626.php

Listening while at work isn't an option, how's that for an answer.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Who cares what Vance says? He doesn't work for the Blazers, so he doesn't know shit

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

From Kenny, via two GM's... it's a likely scenario that the amnesty clause will be back into the new bargaining agreement. A team can waive one contract and that contract comes off the books. Team still has to pay the player, but the contract doesnt effect the luxury tax. We used this same clause to waive Derek Anderson many years ago.

old ESPN article about the amnesty clause:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2112912

 

[MIXUM]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

basically waiving brandon roy and him coming off books

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Whoo hoo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Who cares what Vance says? He doesn't work for the Blazers, so he doesn't know shit

Whoo hoo

LOL!

 

[MIXUM]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

so hear would be the plan....


roy would free up a ton.

miller traded

camby traded

that equals $30 million in cap space to spend on free agents and build around LA, Batum, Wesley and maybe Oden

 

[PapaG]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

From Kenny, via two GM's... it's a likely scenario that the amnesty clause will be back into the new bargaining agreement. A team can waive one contract and that contract comes off the books. Team still has to pay the player, but the contract comes off the cap and luxury tax. We used this same clause to waive Derek Anderson many years ago.

old ESPN article about the amnesty clause:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2112912

That would be unbelievably good fortune. Thanks for the info!

I had never even considered a return to the amnesty clause, but it really does make sense for both the owners (you get one contract freebie) and players (waiving a player via the amnesty clause and opening cap space allows for another player to have a large contract).

Vance with some solid info there. Paul Allen, but the votes to get that into the new CBA.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Can we change the topic of the thread to something like "Amnesty clause - waive Roy" so people know what its about and 10 others dont start new threads on the same topic?

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

The fact that two GM's think this will happen gives it some legs... gives us some hope.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Will the Blazers have the balls to do it is the big question

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Found this on Wikipedia:

In the summer of 2005, the new CBA provided an amnesty clause: a one-time opportunity for each team to waive one, and only one, player and avoid having him count against the team's luxury tax calculation. The amnesty provision only affected the team's luxury tax status, though. The waiving team must continue to pay the player, his salary continues to count against their salary cap, and all other salary calculations are unaffected. However, the team may not re-sign or re-acquire the player for the length of the terminated contract. In all other respects, the player is treated just like any other waived player.
The amnesty provision was derisively named the Allan Houston Rule (with Houston being symbolic of a free-agent class that was signed to ill-advised maximum contracts before the luxury tax was initiated), but the Knicks chose not to waive Houston under its terms, instead releasing Jerome Williams. Other players who were waived using the amnesty provision included Michael Finley, Brian Grant and Derek Anderson.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Will the Blazers have the balls to do it is the big question

I would think it would take balls (and no brains) to do otherwise. I mean, we all know how much PA likes setting hundred dollar bills on fire and lighting cigars with them, but you have to think that if the franchise has the opportunity to remove what will be a 70 million-ish dollar albatross (money remaining) with almost no consequences -- you have to pay the money anyway -- even he can't be that stupid to pass up on what effectively adds up to a mulligan after chipping into the water hazard.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

Can we change the topic of the thread to something like "Amnesty clause - waive Roy" so people know what its about and 10 others dont start new threads on the same topic?

Good idea!

 

[ehizzy3]

DERON WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!

http://sportstwo.com/s2/NBASalaries.php

i think he has a player option after this year according to that. and remember when he was pissed when they traded brewer for nothing. he was quoted to say

“I think if we’d make a trade it would be something a little different than that. You look at all the teams that are getting better around the West and we essentially get worse, if you ask me. That’s why I signed a three-year deal.”

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/02/dwill-unhappy-about-brewer-trade/


omfg make it happen

williams, mathews, batum, aldridge, oden/???????

 

[HailBlazers]

Jury's still out on G.O. and B-Roy

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

DERON WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!

http://sportstwo.com/s2/NBASalaries.php

i think he has a player option after this year according to that. and remember when he was pissed when they traded brewer for nothing. he was quoted to say

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/02/dwill-unhappy-about-brewer-trade/


omfg make it happen

williams, mathews, batum, aldridge, oden/???????

This, of course, hinges on what comes out of the new CBA.

But that core would be title contenders for years to come.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Jury's still out on G.O. and B-Roy

What does the mean exactly?

 

[ehizzy3]

This, of course, hinges on what comes out of the new CBA.

But that core would be title contenders for years to come.

yes but both parties like the clause because players can get paid for two contracts. and owners get a mulligan. if we didn't have paul allen no way we could do this. but with CP3 going to NY probably. what other team would have the cap room/talent we have to offer? no one...

 

[oldmangrouch]

Re: Kenny Vance on The Game

That would be unbelievably good fortune. Thanks for the info!

I had never even considered a return to the amnesty clause, but it really does make sense for both the owners (you get one contract freebie) and players (waiving a player via the amnesty clause and opening cap space allows for another player to have a large contract).

Vance with some solid info there. Paul Allen, but the votes to get that into the new CBA.

If the league would just allow amnesty waivers, even just one a season, all the other changes they are talking about would be needless. There is no need for a hard cap or non-guaranteed contracts - there just needs to be a way for teams to correct mistakes.

 

[Nikolokolus]

yes but both parties like the clause because players can get paid for two contracts. and owners get a mulligan. if we didn't have paul allen no way we could do this. but with paul going to NY probably. what other team would have the cap room/talent we have to offer? no one...

Amnesty does not create cap room it only removes a player's salary for purposes of calculating the luxury tax.

 

[ehizzy3]

Amnesty does not create cap room it only removes a player's salary for purposes of calculating the luxury tax.

fuck...well okay but with camby, miller, and pryz gone we should have enough, no?

edit: depends on the contracts we get back i guess. but it's def. possible and should be our goal.

 

[hasoos]

Jury's still out on G.O. and B-Roy

I refuse to depend on Oden, if he plays again, great. We should build as if he is not going to play again.

Broy is wait and see, but I think it is doubtful at this point. Hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Amnesty does not create cap room it only removes a player's salary for purposes of calculating the luxury tax.

The amnesty clause in the last CBA did not.

A new amnesty clause might. If the owners are successful in reducing salaries 20%-33% and or a hard cap is implemented we could see an amnesty clause that allows the player's salary to be removed off of the cap too.

 

[Nikolokolus]

fuck...well okay but with camby, miller, and pryz gone we should have enough, no?

uh ... it all depends on a number of variables in the new CBA.

1. There could be a hard-cap with no luxury tax
2. There could be a soft-cap and luxury tax (like we have now) but both could be reduced
3. Things could stay somewhat the same (unlikely)
4. The NBA might move to an NFL style CBA with bonuses and non-gauranteed contracts

The fact is we don't know what the agreement will look like until they agree to it and we have no idea what our salary commitments will be, but whatever happens it's almost a guarantee that 17 million of the Blazers yearly cap number will be consumed by Roy's contract -- I don't think we'll have significant cap room for free agents or lopsided trades until that contract expires in 5 years.