Forum Game Amnesty players?

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Would you trade McCollum for Wiggens if it was presented? or how about for Westbrook (we would have to add filler for Westbrook)?

Probably not for wiggins, but maybe for Westbrook depending on the filler, then again I'm not sure WB and Dame would want to be teammates.

 

[CupWizier]

Probably not for wiggins, but maybe for Westbrook depending on the filler, then again I'm not sure WB and Dame would want to be teammates.

Ok, my main point is that you didn't think McCollum had much if an trade value and both of those players were traded this past year. If the goal is to get rid of McCollum then looking for a trade would far out weigh any amnesty. It's not like he isn't producing and we made it to the WCF just a year ago with him and a hobbled center and a PF running on fumes from fasting.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Ok, my main point is that you didn't think McCollum had much if an trade value and both of those players were traded this past year. If the goal is to get rid of McCollum then looking for a trade would far out weigh any amnesty. It's not like he isn't producing and we made it to the WCF just a year ago with him and a hobbled center and a PF running on fumes from fasting.

My main point is I wouldn't really want any of those guys though. I'd rather have 2-3 good players than one greatly overpaid guy (which Wiggins and Westbrook are) and the return that OKC / Minnesota got, I would rather have the cap space.

It's not even an anti-CJ thing and yeah they had success last year, but that contract will hinder their ability to field a team going forward.

 

[CupWizier]

My main point is I wouldn't really want any of those guys though. I'd rather have 2-3 good players than one greatly overpaid guy (which Wiggins and Westbrook are) and the return that OKC / Minnesota got, I would rather have the cap space.

It's not even an anti-CJ thing and yeah they had success last year, but that contract will hinder their ability to field a team going forward.

Do you really think the team would agree to eat about 130mil in contract and then turn around and spend similar money? Essentially paying around 260mil over the same period to have different player(s) than McCollum. I'm not sure any owner would approve that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Do you really think the team would agree to eat about 130mil in contract and then turn around and spend similar money? Essentially paying around 260mil over the same period to have different player(s) than McCollum. I'm not sure any owner would approve that.

Does it matter? Cause in this situation I'm the Owner / GM so I could do that if I wanted too. I don't need Mark Cubans permission if it's my team...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Ok, my main point is that you didn't think McCollum had much if an trade value and both of those players were traded this past year.

Westbrook was traded for an older, presumably past-his-prime player with a basically identical contract.

Wiggins was traded along with a lottery pick for a smaller similar player with a basically identical contract.

If your argument is that CJ could be traded for another similarly overpaid player, you nailed it.

 

[CupWizier]

Westbrook was traded for an older, presumably past-his-prime player with a basically identical contract.

Wiggins was traded along with a lottery pick for a smaller similar player with a basically identical contract.

If your argument is that CJ could be traded for another similarly overpaid player, you nailed it.

So you wouldn't have traded McCollum for Chris Paul, 2 future first round picks and the ability to swap first round picks in other years and would rather just amnesty him? Interesting

How's that older presumably past his prime player doing this year along with his new team?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So you wouldn't have traded McCollum for Chris Paul, 2 future first round picks and the ability to swap first round picks in other years and would rather just amnesty him?

As much as you decry others suggestng you said things you didn't say, probably not wise to do the same.

 

[CupWizier]

As much as you decry others suggestng you said things you didn't say, probably not wise to do the same.

it was simply a question

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So you wouldn't have traded McCollum for Chris Paul, 2 future first round picks and the ability to swap first round picks in other years and would rather just amnesty him? Interesting

How's that older presumably past his prime player doing this year along with his new team?

No way Houstons giving up that much for CJ though. Say what we want about WB he's an MVP, and I think league-wide is considered to be better than CJ (by quite a bit). But sure if that was available for CJ basically everyone would take it.

 

[hoopsjock]

Harrell, Gallo, Bertans, Joe Harris, numbers I dont know. jerami grant I believe has a player option. Id think there are a couple of players you could get for 10-15m a year who would overall be good for the roster.

Okay, let's follow this along. So we amnesty CJ, then somehow get two of our biggest free agent acquisitions ever in Gallo for $15 million and Joe Harris for $11 million. You would've had to renounce Whiteside as a free agent to get that cap space, which I'll assume you're good with too (correct me if I'm wrong)?

Would you have waived Ariza or picked up his salary for next year? Edit: Counts as $1.8 against the cap if waived, $12.8 million if kept.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Okay, let's follow this along. So we amnesty CJ, then somehow get two of our biggest free agent acquisitions ever in Gallo for $15 million and Joe Harris for $11 million. You would've had to renounce Whiteside as a free agent to get that cap space, which I'll assume you're good with too (correct me if I'm wrong)?

Would you have waived Ariza or picked up his salary for next year? Edit: Counts as $1.8 against the cap if waived, $12.8 million if kept.

I would probably waive ariza, especially cause I think Little needs those minutes and Im good with moving on from WS if Nurks healthy which as GM/Owner Id have this inside knowledge.

 

[hoopsjock]

I would probably waive ariza, especially cause I think Little needs those minutes and Im good with moving on from WS if Nurks healthy which as GM/Owner Id have this inside knowledge.

Would you have used both draft picks or what would've happened with those?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Would you have used both draft picks or what would've happened with those?

Do you mean both of this year's draft picks? I'd use them, think the draft doesn't have a lot of star potential guys, but I think it has some depth of potential role players, so grabbing a couple of guys and seeing if they can contribute is fun and I like the draft in general.

 

[hoopsjock]

Do you mean both of this year's draft picks? I'd use them, think the draft doesn't have a lot of star potential guys, but I think it has some depth of potential role players, so grabbing a couple of guys and seeing if they can contribute is fun and I like the draft in general.

Okay, in your scenario I'm going to assume you have Hood pick up his option and you get stuck with Hezonja next year too. Sorry not your decision, they are player options.

1) Dame
2) Nurk
3) Collins
4) Simons
5) Little
6) Trent
7) Hood
8) Hezonja
9) Gallo
10) Joe Harris
11) 1st Round Pick
12) 2nd Round Pick
13)
14)
15)

You have about $10-$12 million left to fill out the roster (unless you want to be more realistic with what it would take to sign Gallo since he turned down a similar offer from Miami in the proposed trade), plus you get the $5 million room exception if you use that. Your trade exceptions are all gone because you used cap space. How are you rounding out your roster?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Okay, in your scenario I'm going to assume you have Hood pick up his option and you get stuck with Hezonja next year too. Sorry not your decision, they are player options.

1) Dame
2) Nurk
3) Collins
4) Simons
5) Little
6) Trent
7) Hood
8) Hezonja
9) Gallo
10) Joe Harris
11) 1st Round Pick
12) 2nd Round Pick
13)
14)
15)

You have about $10-$12 million left to fill out the roster (unless you want to be more realistic with what it would take to sign Gallo since he turned down a similar offer from Miami in the proposed trade), plus you get the $5 million room exception if you use that. Your trade exceptions are all gone because you used cap space. How are you rounding out your roster?

The same way almost every other team does it. Really cheap end of bench guys. I'd try to keep Wenyen, and Hoard and look for another young prospect who wouldn't cost much from the g-league preferably a big, but I may leave the roster spot open to see what comes along, would also be looking for cheap vet pg's who I can trust to run the show if Simons never figures it out.
edit: if that's confusing I'm saying I'd look for either a center or pg on the vet min with the last spot or leave it open. The other two spots would go to hoard / gabriel. I think that team is better than our current one.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Not sure why this is a thread since you can’t do it?

The rest of the internet must be really confusing to you.

 

[hoopsjock]

The same way almost every other team does it. Really cheap end of bench guys. I'd try to keep Wenyen, and Hoard and look for another young prospect who wouldn't cost much from the g-league preferably a big, but I may leave the roster spot open to see what comes along, would also be looking for cheap vet pg's who I can trust to run the show if Simons never figures it out.
edit: if that's confusing I'm saying I'd look for either a center or pg on the vet min with the last spot or leave it open. The other two spots would go to hoard / gabriel. I think that team is better than our current one.

Tortured's Team
1) Dame
2) Nurk
3) Collins
4) Simons
5) Little
6) Trent
7) Hood
8) Hezonja
9) Gallo
10) Joe Harris
11) 1st Round Pick
12) 2nd Round Pick
13) Gabriel
14) Hoard
15) Open

Versus

Realistic Team
1) Dame
2) CJ
3) Nurk
4) Collins
5) Simons
6) Little
7) Trent
8) Hood
9) Hezonja
10) Ariza
11) Whiteside
12) 1st Round Pick
13) 2nd Round Pick
14) Gabriel or Hoard
15) Full-Mid Level Exception

You're taking your squad?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Tortured's Team
1) Dame
2) Nurk
3) Collins
4) Simons
5) Little
6) Trent
7) Hood
8) Hezonja
9) Gallo
10) Joe Harris
11) 1st Round Pick
12) 2nd Round Pick
13) Gabriel
14) Hoard
15) Open

Versus

Realistic Team
1) Dame
2) CJ
3) Nurk
4) Collins
5) Simons
6) Little
7) Trent
8) Hood
9) Hezonja
10) Ariza
11) Whiteside
12) 1st Round Pick
13) 2nd Round Pick
14) Gabriel or Hoard
15) Full-Mid Level Exception

You're taking your squad?

Yup

 

[tlongII]

The rest of the internet must be really confusing to you.

Not really. Just relevant.

 

[hoopsjock]

Yup

So until Hood is back to normal I'm assuming your lineups would be something like this:

Starters: Dame, Trent, Joe Harris, Gallo, and Nurk
Bench: Simons, Hood, Little, Gabriel, and Collins
Deep Bench (unless they take a big jump or injuries): Hezonja, Hoard, 2 draft picks

You think that's better than:

Starters: Dame, CJ, Ariza, Collins, and Nurk
Bench: Simons, Trent, Hood, Marvin Williams (just plugging in a potential signing), and Whiteside
Deep Bench (unless they take a big jump or injuries): Little, Gabriel, Hezonja, 2 draft picks

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

My starters would be. Dame, Harris, Gallo, Collins, Nurk
Bench: Trent, Hood, Simons, Gabriel etc.
edit: and yeah I think it's better. I've already said that. I also think it's a lot more flexible long term depending on how many years and all that those guys would get.

 

[hoopsjock]

My starters would be. Dame, Harris, Gallo, Collins, Nurk
Bench: Trent, Hood, Simons, Gabriel etc.
edit: and yeah I think it's better. I've already said that. I also think it's a lot more flexible long term depending on how many years and all that those guys would get.

I like don't even know where to start with you, ha ha.

You've been talking all year about the lack of talent but somehow managed to make the team WAY LESS talented. The defense would be absolutely horrendous as Harris would get abused at the 2 and Gallo can't play 3 anymore. Plus you don't have a single starter that can defend on the perimeter. That team has like a mid-40's ceiling in terms of wins, in my opinion.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I like don't even know where to start with you, ha ha.

You've been talking all year about the lack of talent but somehow managed to make the team WAY LESS talented. The defense would be absolutely horrendous as Harris would get abused at the 2 and Gallo can't play 3 anymore. Plus you don't have a single starter that can defend on the perimeter. That team has like a mid-40's ceiling in terms of wins, in my opinion.

Well its not like Gallo and Harris are the only guys out there, I said this years crop of FA’s isnt that great. They should in theory with that group be able to stretch the floor pretty well. If Hood comes back (with a big if on if he is ever the same)he probably starts, it Little makes any sort of leap he could start too. Then you have a defensive lineup if you need and can mix and match 2-4 to balance it out.
Again though, Id amnesty CJ if I was in charge and it was an option. He doesnt match his contract at all in production and they basically dont have much of a future IMO if he and Dame are taking up almost 2/3rds of the cap

 

[Hoopguru]

Okay, let's follow this along. So we amnesty CJ, then somehow get two of our biggest free agent acquisitions ever in Gallo for $15 million and Joe Harris for $11 million. You would've had to renounce Whiteside as a free agent to get that cap space, which I'll assume you're good with too (correct me if I'm wrong)?

Would you have waived Ariza or picked up his salary for next year? Edit: Counts as $1.8 against the cap if waived, $12.8 million if kept.

Id rather trade CJ in the off season for an old timer Al Horford who still could play a couple more years and would be a nice addition off the bench or even starting depending on match ups.
Philly can use a back court player that can shoot and create.
Horford gives Dame and company another chance in the playoffs.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Id rather trade CJ in the off season for an old timer Al Horford who still could play a couple more years and would be a nice addition off the bench or even starting depending on match ups.
Philly can use a back court player that can shoot and create.
Horford gives Dame and company another chance in the playoffs.

If a trade like that is available, maybe, but Horford is not fitting in well in Philly, and he's on the fall off with a big contract. The thing is I don't think a trade like that really exists for CJ. How many teams are looking for inefficient combo guards who arent very good on defense? Not sure Horford would fit with Nurk, and I'm not sure you could play both.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So if Amnesty's were a thing who would you guys amnesty (I love what @Tince posted earlier).

 

[Hoopguru]

If a trade like that is available, maybe, but Horford is not fitting in well in Philly, and he's on the fall off with a big contract. The thing is I don't think a trade like that really exists for CJ. How many teams are looking for inefficient combo guards who arent very good on defense? Not sure Horford would fit with Nurk, and I'm not sure you could play both.

Both are bad contracts CJ 4 AH 3 years.
They have Harris playing 4 mostly, AH could play both 4/5 and he's a decent defender even now.
Just not sure trades for CJ are that easy and if Philly was willing to entertain it, well?

 

[Hoopguru]

1) Dame
2) Trent
3) Nurk
4) Collins
5) Horford
6) Little
7)Simons
8) Hood
9) Hezonja
10) Ariza
11) Whiteside
12) 1st Round Pick
13) 2nd Round Pick
14) Gabriel or Hoard
15) Full-Mid Level Exceptio

 

[Hoopguru]

Would I rather have Batum and a first or cap to sign players I actually want though, thats the question.

I probably amnesty Mario.