An Apology to Dviss for my Racism.

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You know, it would be funny if it weren't so ridiculous and idiotic. I'm 6'5", 225, usually with scruffy facial hair, and often wear hoodies with sunglasses. I'm exactly the stereotypical kind of person that people concerned about their safety while walking down the street should cross to the other side to avoid. Yet they don't (as far as I've ever seen). How people who've never met either of us could think that someone 2/3 my size who happens to have darker skin is the more menacing of the two will never be within my realm of comprehension. Except to say, people are morons.
Dude....I'm the father of a 6'5" son with scruffy facial hair and usually wearing a hoodie and sunglasses. You guys have a huge aura over your head that screams "accountant"! The only time time people would cross the street to avoid you is at tax time......
 
Dude....I'm the father of a 6'5" son with scruffy facial hair and usually wearing a hoodie and sunglasses. You guys have a huge aura over your head that screams "accountant"! The only time time people would cross the street to avoid you is at tax time......

Dude, people LOVE accountants during tax time. They flock to me, G.
 
Upfront, I'm sorry this is a "life story". It's my way of breaking things down. I don't know how to do it any other way. It's NOT meant as any kind of "making excuses". It's just my way of explaining things; that's all.

I owe Dviss an apology for my Racism, by accusing him of being racist. This has been bugging me all day, and now that I finally have some time to myself online, I need to get this off my chest.

What I've been saying the past couple of days was never meant to be interpreted as racism. However, I understand why it was so.

What I've been saying was spoken out of ignorance, not racism. I don't have the benefit of worldly experience besides my own struggles. I've never been to a war zone, for example. I've never had crime committed against me. I've never had bad encounters with the police because of my race. I've never been denied rights because of my race. I've never had to march in the name of race, or protest police shootings.

I've never been followed by security around a store. I've never had people move to the other side of the street as I pass.

I've never been called a nigger. I've never seen loved ones and friends locked away, and wondered if I'll ever see them again.

In my life, I was raised with a strict code. It kept me on the strait and narrow, but it also kept me in a very narrow-world view. As a child, I was raised in Cub Scouts. As a teen, I was mentored in Boy Scouts by very wise, morally-strong white men. They were Vietnam veterans and retired police officers. And I loved these people more than my own father. There were no black kids in my Cub Scout pack or my Boy Scout Troop.

As a young adult, I went into Explorer Scouts with the Vancouver Police Department from 1997 to late 2004, shortly after I turned 21. In all that time, the post had exactly one black Scout, who was adopted by a female police officer. I considered him a good friend, and wrote him a letter when he left for military service. I never heard back from him though, and don't know what happened to him. The police officer he was adopted by and I had some differences, and that probably didn't help matters. I've regretted that for many years. I've especially regretted that I wasn't a closer friend to him, though we were closest than anyone else in the Post.

One of the best friends I've ever had in this life is a police officer with that department, who was my mentor while I was with that Post. I love that guy like a brother, and he was a friend to me when I really needed it.

During that time, I worked in various Private Security companies (3 total) over a period of 7 years, where my co-workers were former police officers and current-serving Reserve Officers. A couple were black, but not many.

In the last company I worked for, my boss wasn't much older than me, and yet he was a former SWAT officer and Special Forces sniper who did two tours to Iraq with the Army. There were no black people working there while I was employed with them.

My point to all of this is my perspective on life. My perspective on things has been very narrow in life. It's worked for me, but it's also left me pretty ignorant on the world AROUND me. (It's also costed me a lot of personal things, but that's for another discussion...). It's worked for me, because it allowed me to grind through all the mindless bullshit I've gone through in my own life. And it's helped me focus on work and working, by just focusing on what's in front of me, and not the drama around me. By doing so, I was able to get through long nights and the loneliness that comes with working alone for so many years.

I don't like that. And at 32, I'm only now starting to understand my ignorance on the issue of race in this country.

I'll never know what it's like to be black. I will never know, nor understand, just how difficult it is and the challenges that face many black communities.

I have always prided myself in not looking at people because of their race. I saw what was being said in the media about black people and the police, and I said "you've got to be better than that if you ever go into Law Enforcement."

As a child, I had one black friend who I was really close to in the mid-1990s, who befriended me shortly after I moved here at the age of 12. His name was Darnell. After I moved across town, after the 5th grade, we lost touch, but I never forgot him. Sometimes I wonder where he is in life today.

Before that, I never had a black friend. If anything, living in the Bay Area (San Jose), most of my friends were Hispanic. And race never was an issue. Or if it ever was, it certainly didn't register in the mind of a child.

As a young teen and young adult, I had another black friend, Marcus, and we were REALLY close. He was a guy who I knew I could trust with my life, and who I knew we could be friends for many years.

I haven't spoken to him since I was 19. We had an ugly falling-out over women. His girlfriend was a controlling, manipulative BITCH, and my girlfriend at the time didn't help matters either. He works 5 minutes from me, but I don't have the courage to go down there and bury the hatchet with him. And I really miss that dude.

I'm not playing the "I had a black friend" card here. I'm simply trying to explain that, to me, their race was never an issue, so I never thought about it, or considered their point of view. I never once asked Marcus about his views on race, and his struggles because of it. His father was an old man when I met him, and now I really wish I had asked him about his life experiences before he passed away.

Anyways....I don't have the answers to the racial divide we face in this country. Honestly, I don't think anyone does. And quite frankly, this topic is utterly exhausting, lol.

But my ignorance is no excuse for treating a fellow Blazer fan, and fellow American, with disrespect and racism. So I apologize for that, and I hope that we can move on and find something that we agree on, and even find some similarities with things that we like.

I want to thank Denny Crane for helping me realize this, and for making me think about this topic from a different perspective; one which I've never considered before. Because it's REALLY been bothering me all day.

So Dviss, I'm sorry about all of this. I don't know your struggles, and I don't know the problems of black people. And that's my ignorance, and I accept responsibility for this. If that comes across as racism, then I apologize for that as well. I never meant to be racist, but I better understand your point of view regarding that.

That's all.
Excellent job Jade. You pretty much summed up (in general) where some many of us white guys came from. I'd like to think that most of us are products of ignorance (not an excuse, just stating the reality). I grew up in a family environment that was anything but racist, but we are all subject to outside influences, unfortunately. Growing up in an overwhelmingly white community did not go a long way towards broadening our horizons. It takes courage in the face of the status quo to open up your mind and to try and accept new ways of thinking. Sometimes it seems like an impossible job, if/when our well meaning words and efforts are misunderstood. I mean, who can blame black people for not trusting white people, even in the most general terms. We can't erase centuries of disgraceful treatment overnight. But if we quit trying, the racial issues are only going to get worse. It's this type of dialogue that makes SC2 a special place for me and why I keep coming back. There's always something relevant to learn here other than basketball. I may not always agree with the sentiments expressed, but it's still educational. Thank you for your courage Jade.
 
Dude, people LOVE accountants during tax time. They flock to me, G.
So.........it's not even the middle of March and you still have time to hang out on Sc2.......are you sure you're really a tax guy??? Who's minding that flock, Homey?
 
So.........it's not even the middle of March and you still have time to hang out on Sc2.......are you sure you're really a tax guy??? Who's minding that flock, Homey?
Naw, I'm actually corporate, not public. Managing all that revenue and inventory. A lot better than having to deal with the riff-raff.
 
Naw, I'm actually corporate, not public. Managing all that revenue and inventory. A lot better than having to deal with the riff-raff.
And it beats totally giving up 4 months of your life every frickin' year. BG is certainly happier....and less cranky....for having made the switch from the tax side......
 
No matter who you are, where you come from, most people are limited in their interactions to the same people every day. This might be a racially diverse crowd or a homogeneous one, but regardless new ideas, relationships and outlooks are often hard to find. That's why I think it's so important to travel. And I don't mean go to a resort, I mean spend some serious time living with, eating with, drinking with locals from somewhere you didn't grow up. I lived in France for a year when I was young, moved five times as a youth, spent summers in exchange programs and basically always tried to expand my horizons. One thing you realize is people are the same everywhere. There are douchbags, awesome people, generous, smart, lazy, ....... and it's just part of the human existence. It makes the individual person so important to connect with, regardless of background.
 
Excellent post Further! For whatever it is worth, I just recently lost my father. As I have shared, he was badly scarred in a fire as a very young child. One of the most important lessons Dad taught my siblings and I (mostly through actions rather than words) is that if we judged others on appearance, we might miss someone special. My father was truly special. As a young man, he and two friends spent three months traveling a pre-interstate America. As much as he loved marriage and family life, that trip was one of the greatest experiences of his life. Because he got to meet and get to know people from all regions and walks of life. It really opened his eyes and I'd like to think he also taught some positive lessons along the way. Thanks to my dad's posthumous generosity, I plan to follow in his path next spring . My goal is to try and stay on the roads less traveled and to visit the working class cities in hopes of meeting a wider variety of Americans. To eat and drink with them in their own environments and to try and come to common understandings on what makes the other tick. Hopefully all involved will be a little better off for the experiences.......assuming they don't run my ass outta town when they find out I'm from such a liberal Commie state....but yes, to better understand others, we have to make an effort to try and get to actually know them, good, bad or indifferent.....the current state of the government and the media certainly isn't going to help foster positive understanding and respect.....
 
Excellent post Further! For whatever it is worth, I just recently lost my father. As I have shared, he was badly scarred in a fire as a very young child. One of the most important lessons Dad taught my siblings and I (mostly through actions rather than words) is that if we judged others on appearance, we might miss someone special. My father was truly special. As a young man, he and two friends spent three months traveling a pre-interstate America. As much as he loved marriage and family life, that trip was one of the greatest experiences of his life. Because he got to meet and get to know people from all regions and walks of life. It really opened his eyes and I'd like to think he also taught some positive lessons along the way. Thanks to my dad's posthumous generosity, I plan to follow in his path next spring . My goal is to try and stay on the roads less traveled and to visit the working class cities in hopes of meeting a wider variety of Americans. To eat and drink with them in their own environments and to try and come to common understandings on what makes the other tick. Hopefully all involved will be a little better off for the experiences.......assuming they don't run my ass outta town when they find out I'm from such a liberal Commie state....but yes, to better understand others, we have to make an effort to try and get to actually know them, good, bad or indifferent.....the current state of the government and the media certainly isn't going to help foster positive understanding and respect.....
I find the most interesting people in my travels are usually the real locals...folks who left their small town once, didn't like what they saw and went home to stay there for their entire lives. Having not been able to do that myself, I find it really interesting. My dream summer is to hike the Appalacian trail from Savannah Georgia to Maine with my son. Hopefully I'll get the chance one day
 
Excellent post Further! For whatever it is worth, I just recently lost my father. As I have shared, he was badly scarred in a fire as a very young child. One of the most important lessons Dad taught my siblings and I (mostly through actions rather than words) is that if we judged others on appearance, we might miss someone special. My father was truly special. As a young man, he and two friends spent three months traveling a pre-interstate America. As much as he loved marriage and family life, that trip was one of the greatest experiences of his life. Because he got to meet and get to know people from all regions and walks of life. It really opened his eyes and I'd like to think he also taught some positive lessons along the way. Thanks to my dad's posthumous generosity, I plan to follow in his path next spring . My goal is to try and stay on the roads less traveled and to visit the working class cities in hopes of meeting a wider variety of Americans. To eat and drink with them in their own environments and to try and come to common understandings on what makes the other tick. Hopefully all involved will be a little better off for the experiences.......assuming they don't run my ass outta town when they find out I'm from such a liberal Commie state....but yes, to better understand others, we have to make an effort to try and get to actually know them, good, bad or indifferent.....the current state of the government and the media certainly isn't going to help foster positive understanding and respect.....
Awesome that you get to do this, and it sounds like something that would have made your father smile.

I haven't traveled for a couple years since I'm trying out a new career and my attention belongs here, but there is nothing quite so amazing as giving yourself the freedom to go with the flow during travel. When I went to Vietnam a few years back I ended up going over to a locals house for dinner one night because I saw he had a lot of fishing equipment to carry after he docked. I helped carry stuff and just chatted with him. Ended up eating with his wife, daughter and drinking till the wee hours with the lot of them. It's an experience you just can't plan. Be outgoing while you travel even if it makes you feel weird, it pays off.
 
1) i dont understand it but i get the demeanor thing. Most white people just assume im an ass hole because of my facial expressions and lack of overall desire to communicate, I was just curious why he and his entire department assumed I was racist when I work with people of every race and we all have each others back when things get hairy.

2) I like your view point. Dave Chappell is funny as fuck and I agree humor is the best way to end it. I've always found racial jokes funny, and the primary reason is because if someone actually believes that shit, their stupidity is what im laughing at.

1. Do you have RAF?



2. dingdingdingdingding! We have a winner!
 
im truly glad that you see the error of your ways jf. The reason I called you out wasn't to embarrass you or make fun, I really was hoping to help you see how ridiculous it was.

Cheers man, go niners.

Thank you. I still have many opinions on many things, including the issue of race. BUT...it took these arguments for me to come to the understanding that, not only is my perspective on this issue narrow and ignorant, but that I need to LISTEN, not judge. And in order to do that, you must show respect to the person who is speaking and shut up. And I wasn't doing that.

So thank you. I look forward to continuing to improve my perspective on race. If I can do it, we all can.

And GO 9ERS! Not sure what the fuck Trent Baalke is thinking....top-end FAs are leaving the market faster by the day, and yet we've brought in nobody despite having gaping and obvious holes last season. His level of incompetence is astounding.
 
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Excellent job Jade. You pretty much summed up (in general) where some many of us white guys came from. I'd like to think that most of us are products of ignorance (not an excuse, just stating the reality). I grew up in a family environment that was anything but racist, but we are all subject to outside influences, unfortunately. Growing up in an overwhelmingly white community did not go a long way towards broadening our horizons. It takes courage in the face of the status quo to open up your mind and to try and accept new ways of thinking. Sometimes it seems like an impossible job, if/when our well meaning words and efforts are misunderstood. I mean, who can blame black people for not trusting white people, even in the most general terms. We can't erase centuries of disgraceful treatment overnight. But if we quit trying, the racial issues are only going to get worse. It's this type of dialogue that makes SC2 a special place for me and why I keep coming back. There's always something relevant to learn here other than basketball. I may not always agree with the sentiments expressed, but it's still educational. Thank you for your courage Jade.

Thank you very much!

EDIT: I decided to come back and edit this post, because I didn't like what I said in response to what you said. It wasn't directed at anyone nor was it a rude or impolite post. But I got side-tracked on a topic which I don't feel is relevant at the current time, and would probably only lead to an argument.

So thank you for this, once again. I will just say this: different perspectives are determined by each idividual. We all have our own unique experiences in life. It doesn't mean that one person is better than the other, or that a person is more right than someone else on a topic. It just means that their perspectives are different than others.

We all need to understand that, and LISTEN to one-another. If I can grow and learn, then so can everyone.

So thanks again! It is much appreciated.
 
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Glad we are strait on the Black issue,

But what about those fucking JEWS?

















kidding. (in case you don't know, I'm one)

Jewish that it, not Black.

Well, not that I know of, but we all hail from mother Africa I suppose.
 
Glad we are strait on the Black issue,

But what about those fucking JEWS?

















kidding. (in case you don't know, I'm one)

Jewish that it, not Black.

Well, not that I know of, but we all hail from mother Africa I suppose.

Oh yeah, FUCK THEM JEW KIKES! And fuck the Jewish Media with their Zionist Agenda!

.....obviously, I too am kidding, lol. But there are people who believe that bullshit.

If anything, some of the nicest people I've ever met were Jews and Mormons. I got no beef with them.
 
Going to New Orleans and thinking about touring a plantation. Is that racist?
 
Going to New Orleans and thinking about touring a plantation. Is that racist?

No. I've always believed everyone should visit such historical sites. It's one thing to read about a place on the internet; it's another to visit it.

I hope to visit Auschwitz one day for this very reason. Only by being there can you get some idea of what people went through.
 
Going to New Orleans and thinking about touring a plantation. Is that racist?
Yes. Any grounds where racism occurred are off limits, lest you are racist.

Kidding. There are plantations all over the south that are physically beautiful.
 
I visited Dachau Concentration Camp when I was 9 years old. One of the single most important days of my life.

I was in Germany about 2 years ago and had the chance to go there, but instead opted to go shopping for aluminum suitcases in Munich. :MARIS61:
 
I went to Hiroshima in High School. That was fucking creepy.
 

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