An Inconvenient Truth

[AznxBaller]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ice:</div><div class="quote_post">
Thats actually very true. I guess the creation of the Prius and all the other Hybrids is a start to that, but some people will never change their habits. </div>
Actually, if you think about it, the Hybrids and lower emissions cars really do little to help us in the long run. Its a nice development sure, but once a country like China goes into the full fledged first world level, the pros of Hybrids won't matter anymore since there's going to be a lot more people driving cars- putting the carbon dioxide into the air again.

 

[Skiptomylue11]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">One heard about the Kyoto protocol today, which is kind of upsetting actually. The UN wants to spend 150 billion dollars a year to try to cut on emissions, which will only extend the life of the Earth six extra years by the year 2100. For half that amount one could feed all humans, as well as provide healthcare and eliminate diseases for them. One heard that Gore's movie makes up statistics as well (his comment on the ocean rising 20 ft is dubious, as other experts claim it will only be 1 foot).</div>
If that is your arguement, then the US government spent 518.1 billion dollars last year on military. Take 75 billion dollars out of that and they still would spend 443.1 billion dollars on military.

Scroll down to the military section.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

I think even if Kyoto goes into effect some countries will choose not to comply with it and will be able to produce things cheaper (like China, India, or African countries). I guess it would still make a difference with the countries that do comply.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">If that is your arguement, then the US government spent 518.1 billion dollars last year on military. Take 75 billion dollars out of that and they still would spend 443.1 billion dollars on military.

Scroll down to the military section.
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html

I think even if Kyoto goes into effect some countries will choose not to comply with it and will be able to produce things cheaper (like China, India, or African countries). I guess it would still make a difference with the countries that do comply.</div>

the argument about india and china is absurd cause the west has a more protracted and sadly celebrated (ever heard of the industrial revolution?) history of environmental disregard.

and in regards to the Uncle Sam's military budget- the most frightening part of the figure is that if u added up the military budgets of the next 11 countries, they still wouldn't equal or surpass US spending. in describing america's preoccupation with war -president eisenhower coined the "military industrial complex" which fuses money, power and might.

 

[dunksworth]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">in describing america's preoccupation with war -president eisenhower coined the "military industrial complex" which fuses money, power and might.</div>
I watched that speech by eisenhower the other day.... pretty compelling considering the situation we see ourselves in right now.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">If that is your arguement, then the US government spent 518.1 billion dollars last year on military. Take 75 billion dollars out of that and they still would spend 443.1 billion dollars on military.
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Yes but considering how fruitless the Kyoto protocol is, one would rather spend money on the military. Or if one wants, we could take 75 billion out of our military's budget too if one yearns for it so much. Either way, the Kyoto protocol should be ignored.

Regarding our nation's spending, the United States spends more on Health and Human services (such as welfare) than on defense (580 Billion compared to 518).

http://federalbudget.com

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes but considering how fruitless the Kyoto protocol is, I'd rather spend money on the military. Or if one wants, we could take 75 billion out of our military's budget too if one yearns for it so much. Either way, the Kyoto protocol should be ignored.

Regarding our nation's spending, the United States spends more on Health and Human services (such as welfare) than on defense.

http://federalbudget.com</div>


and hence your deficit. fyi, mathematicians haven't found a sufficient enough number to capture just how indebted u are. bush says his plan is going to cut the deficit in half, i and sane people across the globe scoffed at it.

 

[The One & Only]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">

Regarding our nation's spending, the United States spends more on Health and Human services (such as welfare) than on defense (580 Billion compared to 518).

http://federalbudget.com</div>

If we spend so much on it, then why does the U.S. have among the worst health statistics of all rich nations? That seems ridiculous to me.

Btw, I still don't know why we are still using cars that run on gasoline when Brazil has successfully made cars that run on ethanol. I don't think most countries have even acknowledged it.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6817

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4602972.stm

This would help turn the direction toward an alternative source for gasoline world wide.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">If we spend so much on it, then why does the U.S. have among the worst health statistics of all rich nations? That seems ridiculous to me.
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sadly its pronounced amongst the poor and black. to that end, the infant mortality numbers for african americans is the same as malaysia's. as an aside- infant mortality numbers are typically ignored in the west because its a non-issue but not in america. oh yeah- your education related numbers are even more pathetic, thanks to outsourcing u guys still have enigineers, doctors and scientists to make those kick arse bombs of yours.

 

[The One & Only]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">sadly its pronounced amongst the poor and black. to that end, the infant mortality numbers for african americans is the same as malaysia's. as an aside- infant mortality numbers are typically ignored in the west because its a non-issue but not in america. </div>
That's a sad truth.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">oh yeah- your education related numbers are even more pathetic,</div>
Truth is, I'm a HS dropout. I'm still getting my diploma but not in the conventional means of obtaining one.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">thanks to outsourcing u guys still have enigineers, doctors and scientists to make those kick arse bombs of yours.</div>
First off, I don't think doctors go about making "kick arse bombs". If doctors were making bombs then I must have missed something.

Secondly, why so hostile against America?

 

[dunksworth]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">If we spend so much on it, then why does the U.S. has among the worst health statistics of all rich nations? That seems ridiculous to me.

Btw, I still don't know why we are still using cars that run on gasoline when Brazil has successfully made cars that run on ethanol.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6817

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4602972.stm

This would help turn the direction toward an alternative source.</div>
The reason why we don't use much ethanol here is b/c the demand for fuel is so great that we just don't have enough natural capital to keep up with it. It would take a heck of a lot of corn and land area to feed our cars if we go the ethanol route. Well, that's the official reason that we're given as to why we don't use much ethanol here.

It is pretty interesting how Brazil has this nice gasoline/ethanol mix where users can easily choose b/w the two fuels.... they have cars where you can make a choice to either fill it up w/ oil or ethanol, pretty ingenious.

Honestly though, I think these alternative fuels are only just a quick fix. We inevitably must make lifestyle changes because the day of the automobile will soon be a thing of the past (or at the very least, we just won't be using it much).

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">


First off, I don't think doctors go about making "kick arse bombs". If doctors were making bombs then I must have missed something.

Secondly, why so hostile against America?

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it was a list and "scientists" referred to the kick arse bombs. hostile? try truthful and yeah i think america needs a political change.

 

[The One & Only]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">it was a list and "scientists" referred to the kick arse bombs. </div>
Then what was Engineer and Doctor mentioned for?

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">hostile? try truthful</div>
There is a difference between saying the truth and displaying facts than just being unnecessarily harsh. I guess it goes down to the simple saying, "Truth Hurts", though.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post"> and yeah i think america needs a political change.</div>
I do too .

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">oh yeah- your education related numbers are even more pathetic, thanks to outsourcing u guys still have enigineers, doctors and scientists to make those kick arse bombs of yours.</div>

Well, the teachers' unions have something to do with that.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, the teachers' unions have something to do with that.</div>

yeah thats it. its like blaming gm unions for gm's struggles, when all they are doing is executing orders.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">yeah thats it. its like blaming gm unions for gm's struggles, when all they are doing is executing orders.</div>

You're act is tiresome. It does have something to do with them, just as some gms truly do a poor job and are not commanded on every decision. There's a far too large pool of teachers working less hours, and the process of firing/rewarding the appropriate teachers is too tedious. Thus it is partially responsible for poor statistics.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting huevonkiller:</div><div class="quote_post">You're act is tiresome. It does have something to do with them, just as some gms truly do a poor job and are not commanded on every decision. There's a far too large pool of teachers working less hours, and the process of firing/rewarding the appropriate teachers is too tedious. Thus it is partially responsible for poor statistics.</div>

u argue in circles, maybe a few more years of formal education and u might make sense.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">u argue in circles, maybe a few more years of formal education and u might make sense.</div>

Uh right, you just want to pounce on me for anything (just like when you jumped to conclusions when I mentioned kyoto). What I said is true, you're just an idiot. I saw a whole report on what I spoke of on 20/20, and they brought up various similar points.

 

[The One & Only]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">u argue in circles, maybe a few more years of formal education and u might make sense.</div>

Resorting to personal attacks makes you seem less intelligent.

 

[deception]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Franchise4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">Resorting to personal attacks makes you seem less intelligent.</div>

they are called ad hominem attacks. nonetheless, they are so true when it pertains to this dude. i suggest u follow the threads in which he's tried to engage me in debate.

 

[huevonkiller]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting deception:</div><div class="quote_post">they are called ad hominem attacks. nonetheless, they are so true when it pertains to this dude. i suggest u follow the threads in which he's tried to engage me in debate.</div>

You're still a moron to immediately disregard what I say. Once you check some of your facts, you'll realize that my only dubious position is on the war in Iraq. Which I myself am not as sure as other things.

But all you talk about is love affairs and how I make no points whatsoever in the war thread, when that is not true. It annoys you that there is an obnoxious little brat (CH) that can beat you at your own game (insulting). You were pathetic in that thread(always ignoring various portions of the article), at least I admitted I'm a novice in that matter.

You don't know anything about kyoto or this teachers' unions buisness, seeing as you have not commented on it further.